quarantine nurse complains

[fskimospy]

Would you make up your mind?

In one thread you are fine with forcing people to take measures against their will.

But in the next thread you are spouting off how bad of a decision it is.

Would you learn something about what you're talking about?

I'm ok with forcing people to take measures against their will if their actions otherwise represent a serious threat to public health. Unvaccinated people do this.

Non-symptomatic people who have been in Ebola regions do not do this. There is nothing to be gained by quarantining them.

 

[Texashiker]

Non-symptomatic people who have been in Ebola regions do not do this. There is nothing to be gained by quarantining them.

You do realize there is a period between exposure and showing symptoms, right?

From your very own words - "No, you do not have a right to place hundreds or thousands of other people in a vulnerable population at risk."

 

[fskimospy]

You do realize there is a period between exposure and showing symptoms, right?

From your very own words - "No, you do not have a right to place hundreds or thousands of other people in a vulnerable population at risk."

Yes.

From my very own words: "would you learn something about what you're talking about?"

There is nothing to be gained from quarantine of non-symptomatic people, including people who end up eventually being symptomatic.

 

[Texashiker]

There is nothing to be gained from quarantine of non-symptomatic people, including people who end up eventually being symptomatic.

<sarcasm>
That makes a lot of sense
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Just let them roam free and hope they do not develop ebola?

Bull crap. That goes against your previous posting history on mandatory vaccines.

In previous threads you posted nobody has the right to expose others. That doctor walking around new york while he was infectious would be ok with you? Right?

 

[fskimospy]

<sarcasm>
That makes a lot of sense
</sarcasm>

Just let them roam free and hope they do not develop ebola?

Bull crap. That goes against your previous posting history on mandatory vaccines.

In previous threads you posted nobody has the right to expose others.

They aren't exposing others here. If you weren't, yet again, showing that you're totally clueless about this you would know that.

I don't feel like vainly trying to educate you on yet another issue. If you have any further questions go check out the overwhelming majority of medical expert opinion on both vaccines and ebola quarantines. They should be able to answer all your retarded questions.

 

[Texashiker]

They aren't exposing others here.

And if you do not catch the flu you do not need a flu vaccine. But yet you are a-ok with mandatory vaccines.

You can not have it both ways. You can not trample one persons civil rights, and then say another persons rights should be upheld.

As posted in various threads, when it comes to public health you have no rights. You do not have a right to expose others.

 

[fskimospy]

And if you do not catch the flu you do not need a flu vaccine. But yet you are a-ok with mandatory vaccines.

You can not have it both ways. You can not trample one persons civil rights, and then say another persons rights should be upheld.

As posted in various threads, when it comes to public health you have no rights. You do not have a right to expose others.

Shocking, I know. I'm okay with a minor curtailment of rights for a large public benefit and not ok with a major curtailment of rights for something that actually hurts the public.

It's funny when someone is so stupid and ignorant that they don't even know it.

 

[Genx87]

<sarcasm>
That makes a lot of sense
</sarcasm>

Just let them roam free and hope they do not develop ebola?

Bull crap. That goes against your previous posting history on mandatory vaccines.

In previous threads you posted nobody has the right to expose others. That doctor walking around new york while he was infectious would be ok with you? Right?

This is the problem with hollywood vs reality. We all have this vision of contagion or outbreak. Where an airborne illness of people not showing symptoms devastates the population. Ebola doesnt spread until the patient shows symptoms. Putting a non-symptomatic patient into quarantine is a waste o time.

 

[Texashiker]

Shocking, I know. I'm okay with a minor curtailment of rights for a large public benefit and not ok with a major curtailment of rights for something that actually hurts the public.

It's funny when someone is so stupid and ignorant that they don't even know it.

The definition of minor and major are subjective.

Quarantining someone is just as protective measure, just like forcing someone to take a flu shot is a protective measure.

To me, forcing someone to inject themselves with a substance is a major curtailment of rights.

Quarantining someone is not a major curtailment of rights

Putting a non-symptomatic patient into quarantine is a waste o time.

Bet you did not have a problem with quarantining those people in Dallas.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Quarantining someone is just as protective measure, just like forcing someone to take a flu shot is a protective measure.

 

[Genx87]

The definition of minor and major are subjective.

Quarantining someone is just as protective measure, just like forcing someone to take a flu shot is a protective measure.

To me, forcing someone to inject themselves with a substance is a major curtailment of rights.

Quarantining someone is not a major curtailment of rights




Bet you did not have a problem with quarantining those people in Dallas.

Which people?

 

[Texashiker]

Which people?

The people who came into contact with Eric Duncan.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/19/ebola-quarantine-ends/17443059/

People who had contact with Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan before he was hospitalized are breathing a sigh of relief today.

Those 48 contacts, including four family members who shared a small Dallas apartment with him, have completed the 21-day observation period without falling ill and are no longer at risk of the disease. About 10 of the 48 contacts were considered to be a higher risk because of their closer contact with Duncan.

White nurse quarantined, that is a civil rights violation and she is going to sue.

Poor blacks quarantined, that is perfectly acceptable? I think those 48 friends and family members of Duncan should lawyer up.

 

[waggy]

wait. the president is against quarantine yet they are thinking of doing it tot eh Troops?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/us/ebola-us-troops/

so is he for or against it? or is this just politics?

 

[fskimospy]

wait. the president is against quarantine yet they are thinking of doing it tot eh Troops?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/us/ebola-us-troops/

so is he for or against it? or is this just politics?

Politics! Sadly, the response to Ebola has become politicized.

Quarantining these troops is probably a dumb idea and Obama's probably doing it for looks. Then again, you have the Republicans actively freaking out that he's not quarantining more people because they think they can get some electoral advantage out of it.

Terrible all around.

 

[Genx87]

The people who came into contact with Eric Duncan.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/19/ebola-quarantine-ends/17443059/



White nurse quarantined, that is a civil rights violation and she is going to sue.

Poor blacks quarantined, that is perfectly acceptable? I think those 48 friends and family members of Duncan should lawyer up.

Absolutely don't support a quarantine of non-symptomatic people.

 

[Texashiker]

Absolutely don't support a quarantine of non-symptomatic people.

You do realize there is a difference between symptomatic and infectious, right?

 

[Genx87]

You do realize there is a difference between symptomatic and infectious, right?

In the case of Ebola infectious requires symptomatic.

 

[Texashiker]

In the case of Ebola infectious requires symptomatic.

If they are not in quarantine you end up with people like that doctor in New york who went bowling, rode the subway and took a taxi while showing symptoms.

As has been posted in various threads, when it comes to public health you have no rights.

 

[Genx87]

If they are not in quarantine you end up with people like that doctor in New york who went bowling, rode the subway and took a taxi while showing symptoms.

As has been posted in various threads, when it comes to public health you have no rights.

This is a really dangerous line of reasoning imo. Public health shouldn't be a basis for violating our rights. Especially poorly thought out quarantines that have literally no basis in reality.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Aaaaand she's out.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/politics/ebola-quarantine-christie-white-house/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[Texashiker]

This is a really dangerous line of reasoning imo. Public health shouldn't be a basis for violating our rights.

Next time there is a thread about mandatory vaccination I will remember that post.

 

[blankslate]

Judging from how many people have caught Ebola from the man in Texas who died... So far none besides the two nurses who were in close proximity with him as he was dying, it seems that catching ebola is not as easy as catching the cold.

I get the concern about self-imposed quarantine being unreliable. The doctor in New York wandering around pretty much ruined it for this nurse.

However, the conditions (considering the relative difficulty in catching ebola) in which she was kept is probably part of what caused the issue. An isolation tent wasn't necessary.

Keeping her in a decent hotel room with access to indoor plumbing would have been better and those conditions would have given New Jersey a lot more sway over my opinion than a tent with a portable potty.

If people who were exposed to the doctor before he started having a fever get ill with Ebola, then I'll revise my position.

However, knowing what I know now - New Jersey fucked it up with the tent.

From what is known currently about Ebola, you don't have to put a person in an isolation tent to safely quarantine them.

A hotel room or comfortable hospital room which would be sprayed down with disinfectant after the incubation period would have sufficed.


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[MomentsofSanity]

If they are not in quarantine you end up with people like that doctor in New york who went bowling, rode the subway and took a taxi while showing symptoms.

As has been posted in various threads, when it comes to public health you have no rights.

Want an illiustration why this policy is absurd. Where are the doctors nurses etc... treating the current ebola patient in NYC? Are they under any kind of quarantine? Are their movements restricted in any way?

The answer is no, they aren't. So why is this nurse a greater risk than them? As we say in Dallas they are all under an elevated risk but they don't seem to be dealing with any sort of limitations.

Wonder what they are doing in their off time...

And link showing he was symptomatic while being out and about?

 

[Jaskalas]

We're quickly approaching the time where we can say the Nurses from Dallas didn't even transmit it to anyone. At least not out in the wild. Isn't it quite a statement, as bungled as Dallas was, that it is contained?

 

[Texashiker]

And link showing he was symptomatic while being out and about?

Initial reports said he was feeling ill while he was about the town.

Seems those reports now say he was not symptomatic.

EDIT

• Feeling sluggish Tuesday,
• Went bowling Wednesday
• Had fever Thursday

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/n...us-at-bellevue-hospital-in-new-york-city.html

Dr. Spencer began to feel sluggish on Tuesday but did not develop a fever until Thursday morning, he told the authorities.

Dr. Spencer, 33, had traveled on the A and L subway lines Wednesday night, visited a bowling alley in Williamsburg, and then took a taxi back to Manhattan.