Quantum Physics: If relative time slows down in extreme gravity...

[SunnyD]

... for example at or within the event horizon of a black hole, in which it's presumed to come to or almost to a halt, would things ever actually be destroyed?

At this point I know we're simply talking about simple matter and/or energy, because larger constructs would be destroyed by the gravitational waves on the way in. But wouldn't that stuff simply stop and accumulate at the point where time stopped (apparently)?

 

[Ameesh]

the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

 

[boggsie]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

In theory, don't the law's of physics of our known world cease to exist as we know them, once you pass the event horizon?

 

[eLiu]

Originally posted by: boggsie

Originally posted by: Ameesh
the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

In theory, don't the law's of physics of our known world cease to exist as we know them, once you pass the event horizon?

And then you say "Go General Relativity!"

Edit: or maybe even String Theory

 

[TechnoKid]

there are flaws in every system of science

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: boggsie

Originally posted by: Ameesh
the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

In theory, don't the law's of physics of our known world cease to exist as we know them, once you pass the event horizon?

You never pass the event horizion. You get closer and closer, but the outside observer sees you falling closer ever more slowly never quite getting there.

The one falling in (assuming some protection from being ripped apart from tidal forces), would pass right through the event horizon, never noticing it.

Weird, huh?

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: boggsie

Originally posted by: Ameesh
the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

In theory, don't the law's of physics of our known world cease to exist as we know them, once you pass the event horizon?

You never pass the event horizion. You get closer and closer, but the outside observer sees you falling closer ever more slowly never quite getting there.

The one falling in (assuming some protection from being ripped apart from tidal forces), would pass right through the event horizon, never noticing it.

Weird, huh?

Yep, it's a matter of perspective. If something so crucial to the order of the universe is so dependent on perspective, doesn't that make the universe more like fantasy than reality? *cue X-Files theme*

 

[ClueLis]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: boggsie

Originally posted by: Ameesh
the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

In theory, don't the law's of physics of our known world cease to exist as we know them, once you pass the event horizon?

You never pass the event horizion. You get closer and closer, but the outside observer sees you falling closer ever more slowly never quite getting there.

The one falling in (assuming some protection from being ripped apart from tidal forces), would pass right through the event horizon, never noticing it.

Weird, huh?

Although you might argue that by the time you fall through the EH, the black hole will have already been destroyed by Hawking Radiation.

 

[LordMorpheus]

yes, but the outside would never see the destruction. We would see an object fall and become frozen, but if we were riding IN the object we would just fall straight in and become spagettified.

I think that while you cannot see into a black hole, you can see OUT of it. which is pretty cool.

Fun stuff with black holes.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: boggsie

Originally posted by: Ameesh
the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

In theory, don't the law's of physics of our known world cease to exist as we know them, once you pass the event horizon?

And then you say "Go General Relativity!"

Edit: or maybe even String Theory

no, the laws exist past the event horizon: its the singularity in the middle that throws them for a loop. Some guy (was it Hawking, I know he either used this or thought it up as his docotorate) proved that when a large enough Nova collapses, it doesn't stop until all the mass is concentrated in one infinatly small, infinatly dense point. It is this point that kills physics, not the area immediatly around it.

 

[timelapse]

Originally posted by: TechnoKid
there are flaws in every system of science

Diddo

 

[nmcglennon]

where in the wide world of sports did you guys pick up this stuff?

 

[SunnyD]

Question #2 - if nothing can escape the gravatational forces of a black hole, including light, then what's up with the Gamma Ray and X-Ray fountains that run perpendicular from the singularity. More so, if it's a singularity, than how can it be perpendicular?

 

[JoeKing]

I'd like to think of blackholes as super trash compactors/ejectors stretching space time to the point of breaking spewing matter and energy it consumes out at another point in space in the form of quasars..... without this I wouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking about it.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

uhm...

Highly Technical?

 

[StageLeft]

I've always wondered by the ions that refract out of a plasma burst are not circular.

 

[boggsie]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: boggsie

Originally posted by: Ameesh
the question you have to ask yourself is , can you destroy energy? the answer is no, for the reason why : see the conservation of energy .

In theory, don't the law's of physics of our known world cease to exist as we know them, once you pass the event horizon?

And then you say "Go General Relativity!"

Edit: or maybe even String Theory

no, the laws exist past the event horizon: its the singularity in the middle that throws them for a loop. Some guy (was it Hawking, I know he either used this or thought it up as his docotorate) proved that when a large enough Nova collapses, it doesn't stop until all the mass is concentrated in one infinatly small, infinatly dense point. It is this point that kills physics, not the area immediatly around it.

I seem to recall from this documentary the effects of passing through the event horizon. Whatever happend to the crew of that ship?