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FlameTail said:
Some wiz could be possible if this image is run through an Image Analysing tool...
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Did some image editing, I measured somwhere between 115mm² to 125mm²
Unless someone grabs calipers and measures it in person, I don't think it gets better
 
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FlameTail said:
Currently released SKUs:

X1E-00-1DE
X1E-84-100
X1E-80-100
X1E-78-100

X1P-66-100
X1P-64-100

X1P-46-100
X1P-42-100

Rumoured SKUs;

X1E-76-100

X1P-62-100
X1P-56-100
X1P-44-100
X1P-40-100
X1P-39-100

X1-24-100
X1-00-001
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76 and 62 gotta be Hamoa. I wonder if 56 is Purwa or Hamoa?

All the rest must be Purwa.
 

SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK, Sept 5 (Reuters) - Qualcomm (QCOM.O) has explored the possibility of acquiring portions of Intel's (INTC.O) design business to boost the company's product portfolio, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
The mobile chipmaker has examined acquiring different pieces of Intel, which is struggling to generate cash and looking to shed business units and sell off other assets, the people said.
Intel’s client PC design business is of significant interest to Qualcomm executives, one of the sources said, but they are looking at all of the company’s design units.
Other pieces of Intel such as the server segment would make less sense for Qualcomm to acquire, another source with knowledge of Qualcomm's operations said.
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The vultures start to circle
 
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Hesperax said:
The vultures start to circle
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I was about to say the same thing!

As Qualcomm makes it's thrust into the PC industry, and tries to establish it's place as the 3rd CPU vendor (in addition to Intel/AMD), it makes sense to acquire part of Intel's client PC business.
 
FlameTail said:
I was about to say the same thing!

As Qualcomm makes it's thrust into the PC industry, and tries to establish it's place as the 3rd CPU vendor (in addition to Intel/AMD), it makes sense to acquire part of Intel's client PC business.
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Buying Intel's GPU division would be a good way to bootstrap Adreno's maturing. The former does not have the best iGPUs in the world, but better than the latter for sure.

For the CPU side, what would Qualcomm gain? It is not like Intel was crushing competitors with their designs. It might be a better opportunity to pinch the best talent to make up for the losses on the NUVIA team because, apparently, they lost many of theirs.
 
jdubs03 said:
Perhaps they’re trying to get the GPU team. Most likely that or the E core team.
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I don't think Qualcomm would have any use for Intel's E-core team (and I doubt Intel will sell it). They already have a world-class uarch design team which they acquired with Nuvia.

A piece of the GPU team is possible. The Snapdragon X Elite really shows how behind Qualcomm's mobile based Adreno architecture is, compared to Nvidia, AMD and even Intel's Arc.
 
FlameTail said:
I don't think Qualcomm would have any use for Intel's E-core team (and I doubt Intel will sell it). They already have a world-class uarch design team which they acquired with Nuvia.

A piece of the GPU team is possible. The Snapdragon X Elite really shows how behind Qualcomm's mobile based Adreno architecture is, compared to Nvidia, AMD and even Intel's Arc.
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GPU would clearly be the most likely target. I figure E core would be next because Qualcomm’s Oryon core is decent enough in ST. And their current lineup doesn’t have any custom efficiency cores.

But I just think this article is a feeler in the media, nothing will come of it.
 
jdubs03 said:
GPU would clearly be the most likely target. I figure E core would be next because Qualcomm’s Oryon core is decent enough in ST. And their current lineup doesn’t have any custom efficiency cores.
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Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 reportedly has "E-cores". It's coming out in 2 months, so we'll have to see how it turns out to be.
 
List of new Snapdragon X laptops announced at IFA;

Acer Swift Go 14 AI (Sept, $999)
Asus Vivobook S 15 (8-core) ($899)
Asus ProArt PZ13 (8-core) ($1099)
Dell Inspiron 14 (Sept, $899)
Dell Latitude 5455 (Sept)
Lenovo ThinkBook 16 Gen 7 (Oct, 819 Euros)
Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5x 14",9 (Sept, 899 Euros)
Lenovo IdeaPad 5x 2-in-1 14",9 (Sept, 999 Euros)
Samsung Galaxy Book4 Edge 15" (October)
 
Qualcomm really wants to get marketshare by only selling expensive devices, ugh. Where's mainstream $500-$600 stuff, this is not it. I hope their 6-core parts will arrive cheaper than 800 dollars
 
SteinFG said:
Qualcomm really wants to get marketshare by only selling expensive devices, ugh. Where's mainstream $500-$600 stuff, this is not it. I hope their 6-core parts will arrive cheaper than 800 dollars
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Agreed. If they think they'll stablish themselves in the market by selling compromised $999 experiences, then they're utterly wrong. Consumers in these price bracket have multiple options that are much better for their experiences.

The key market to attack should have been the $500 to $600. A cutdown 6-core Purwa would do wonders here, especially as the consumer in that range isn't as fussed about compatibility issues and would appreciate more the long battery life and performance.

But Time to market is key and they're losing momentum.
DZero said:
At this pace Mediatek will come and eat the marketshare Qualcomm is leaving behind.
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MTK will face the same problems QCOM has. The supposedly Nvidia IGP will be a good draw and alleviate the gaming and content creation compatibility issues and concerns.
 
FlameTail said:
Won't it have a Mali/Immortalis IGP?
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The rumor being shared is that there's a Nvidia GPU connected to the SoC die in a single substrate. Like Intel Core G that had a RX Vega attached through EMIB.

But I assume if MTK also does lower-end models, they'll need to use Mali/Immortalis. But I'm pretty sure these aren't ready for Windows yet in terms of software support.

This is why I stress that QCOM is losing a lot of their timing advantage by not having a 6-core Purwa model to target $500 and below products. Snapdragon X is much more competitive and eons ahead of anything AMD and Intel offer in this price bracket.

If they don't go faster and support low-end, others will come in their place and x86 competition will also adjust themselves.
 
FlameTail said:
After seeing this, I wonder if Qualcomm might be a better OEM partner than AMD is.
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Wouldn't that be because of AMD's fab partners not meeting volume expectations? Qualcomm would surely have the same issue, especially if they wish to grab larger marketshare.

Of course, I don't know how much chip design and binning decisions plays a role in meeting chip volume and sales.
 
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