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Just FYI, Samsung is already having a very aggressive sale on their models. A whopping $300 off, now $999 for 16GB/512/X1E-80 model.

Not sure if that suggests poor sales since that laptop is only a few weeks old....
 
StinkyPinky said:
Just FYI, Samsung is already having a very aggressive sale on their models. A whopping $300 off, now $999 for 16GB/512/X1E-80 model.

Not sure if that suggests poor sales since that laptop is only a few weeks old....
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It looks like the entire Book4 line is discounted, so I would not take that as evidence of poor sales of X Elite (not that there are any rumors it is selling well, much on the contrary)
 
1000 dollars for a laptop with 16GB of ram and an unproved OS (WoA) seems like a lot (for me).

Qualcomm should have started with budget 500-700 dollar laptops. Although with how poorly their laptops are selling, we may get 500 dollar X1P/X1E laptops by the end of 2025.
 
SteinFG said:
1000 dollars for a laptop with 16GB of ram and an unproved OS (WoA) seems like a lot (for me).

Qualcomm should have started with budget 500-700 dollar laptops. Although with how poorly their laptops are selling, we may get 500 dollar X1P/X1E laptops by the end of 2025.
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Can't believe people are complaining about 16 GB RAM on $1000 dollar laptops.

Last year, OEMs were still selling $1000+ laptops with 8 GB RAM.

If there is atleast one good thing about the Copilot+ PC thing, it is the fact that it mandates a minimum of 16 GB RAM.
 
Earlt this year, Dell had a 2024 XPS 13 Meteor Lake 'AI PC' laptop with 8GB RAM. That thing is no longer available on the Dell USA website. Don't know about other regions.
 
FlameTail said:
Earlt this year, Dell had a 2024 XPS 13 Meteor Lake 'AI PC' laptop with 8GB RAM. That thing is no longer available on the Dell USA website. Don't know about other regions.
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That's one of bazillion offerings, not even closely representing. 😆
 
Tup3x said:
16GB was okay ten years ago but not today. It wouldn't be enough for me. My current work laptop has 32GB and anything less is no go.
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Your work laptop 😉 Did we reach the point where games really need more than 16 GB?

Anyway I agree, I wouldn't go lower than 32GB for my desktop PC, and more likely 64GB. I've had 16GB since 2013. But I use it for more than gaming.
 
Nothingness said:
Your work laptop 😉 Did we reach the point where games really need more than 16 GB?

Anyway I agree, I wouldn't go lower than 32GB for my desktop PC, and more likely 64GB. I've had 16GB since 2013. But I use it for more than gaming.
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For gaming anything below 32GB doesn't make sense. If I'd build a new system it would have 64GB. For laptops <=16GB only makes sense for light use. WSL2 and bunch of other stuff open I can easily exceed 16GB. Also iGPU needs a slice.
 
MarkizSchnitzel said:
Are copilot PCs meant to be aimed at only wealthy people who are likely to be paying for subscriptions?
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In general, MS wants every user of Windows to have to pay some sort of "rent" for having it. If they can make MS Copilot into an essential feature for most users, their last customers that don't pay "rent" via an OS license subscription will finally be forced to pay them "rent" and help them secure a greater revenue stream going forward.
 
Bloomberg / Circana has some sales estimates for Qualcomm's launch (original article w/ paywall here):


There are early signs of traction. A fifth of computers sold during launch week were AI PCs, according to data provided by market researcher Circana. Tech-savvy consumers like content creators have been quicker to adopt the new machines, while the general public is likely still a bit “confused,” said Mike Crosby, executive director at Circana.
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Some questions:
  • Is 20% of one week of US sales or of global sales?
  • What were the sales like the week after? How much was sustained?
  • Should we expect notable % returns re: compatibility?
Haven't heard of Circana re: PC sales before; would be interesting if they have good data.

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Not much else. Another summary of the same report notes Qualcomm's total Copilot+ sales account for ~0.16% (2% of 8%) of 2024 PC sales so far and that sounds about right for ~20% of 1 week (we're in week 28 now).

Initial data from Circana’s service highlights several trends in AI PC adoption. In 2024, just eight percent of notebook units purchased qualify as AI-equipped PCs, with GPUs being the primary qualifier. Among these, only two percent of these products include an NPU with a performance of 40 TOPS or above, which is required by Windows to use its AI-powered CoPilot+ features. Business adoption of AI PCs is outpacing consumer adoption, driven by a clearer understanding of specific use cases within various functions and sector verticals. Consumers, particularly content creators, are beginning to recognize the value proposition and use cases of AI PCs.
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FlameTail said:
I was right.

www.tomshardware.com

Qualcomm spends millions on marketing as it is found better battery life, not AI features, is driving Copilot+ PC sales

On-device AI features aren't that useful for consumers yet, but long battery life is.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

Battery life is the selling feature. Not AI.
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I give Lunar Lake device a 40 percent chance of matching or beating Snapdragon devices on battery. 90 percent chance of inside of 90 percent (who cares) battery life. And 100 percent chance of losing almost no customers because of battery. AMD devices will be slightly behind, but with the bonus of being the most performant thin and lights.

Key to the AI battle is the software stack. All are weak, but both AMD and Intel are ahead of Qualcomm.
 
Tup3x said:
For laptops <=16GB only makes sense for light use. WSL2 and bunch of other stuff open I can easily exceed 16GB. Also iGPU needs a slice.
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The question is: who uses WSL? Not the average Joe. Aside from gamers, engineers/developers and other professionals, there is very little need for anything above 16GB. They are not running CAD tools, don't have many virtual machines spinning simultaneously, and surely are not running complex simulations on their machines.

Of course, offering 8GB on $1000 laptops like Apple (and others) do is a joke, considering that providing 16GB would cost them peanuts. Still, they sell very well, and many users/reviewers claim just how good they are. We are not a representative demographic by any means.
 
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