Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

[TwistedAndy]

In contrast to most other places, the people at r/Surface are raving about how good Snapdragon X Elite is.

Actually, it's pretty good compared to Microsoft Surface Pro 9 5G 🙂

 

[trivik12]

I think when it comes to GPU, we have to give time. They will fix many issues with future updates. Its not as if Intel/AMD have no issues on Day 1 and this is a new platform. I think for a new start, this is good. I expect things to get even better with 2nd gen and beyond. SDXE 2 on N3P should see sizable bumps in performance/efficiency. Also there are rumors that we would see Non Elite Oryon with fewer cores and so these chips will laptop at way lower price point as well.

 

[xiewe3wq]

I've read multiple times now that the X Elite struggles with video editing in Davinci Resolve, lots of frame drops even with the ARM-native beta version.

 

[The Hardcard]

In contrast to most other places, the people at r/Surface are raving about how good Snapdragon X Elite is.

It IS a really good chip and Qualcomm made a tremendous achievement. If they just said., “we are going to enter the laptop market and be alongside the leaders from day one” they could’ve gotten nothing but applause. It’s probably a lot of power management/firmware/driver/BIOS tweaks that need to be made but who doesn’t need to do that.

Normal hype also didn’t mess this up. It was the Messiah Chip, One True SOC, architecture of God hype that was the problem.

 

[adroc_thurston]

If they just said., “we are going to enter the laptop market and be alongside the leaders from day one” they could’ve gotten nothing but applause

They have entered the laptop market 7 years ago.
seven. years. ago.
It's their FIFTH attempt at it, and in itself is diametrically opposite to where they started.

 

[igor_kavinski]

isn’t AMD still 2 minutes slower? That’s still bad for non-beta x86 silicon.

Strix should reduce that gap by a minute. Can't win everything.

 

[coercitiv]

Normal hype also didn’t mess this up. It was the Messiah Chip, One True SOC, architecture of God hype that was the problem.

I don't know what you're talking about. /s

 

[FlameTail]

We have reached the 100th page of this thread, X Elite is out now, and everything has fallen apart.

 

[igor_kavinski]

We have reached the 100th page of this thread, X Elite is out now, and everything has fallen apart.

OR

Maybe QC is selling their worst chips first 😛

 

[DrMrLordX]

yes. I don’t need another hype cycle.

Whoa, really? Show us the extensive 3rd party benchmarks! Preferably in the Zen5 speculation thread.

 

[Nothingness]

I knew it!

View attachment 101475
See how bad Intel's beta silicon made x86 look in comparison?

Hawk point is much better and Strix point should be competitive though not holding my breath. Handbrake loves cache which the SD X has more of.

Anyway, now that he has tested an AMD laptop, I forgive you, Avram.

That comparison makes 8840hs looks like a beta product compared to Snapdragon 😜

More seriously, was it HW accelerated on Snapdragon?

 

[igor_kavinski]

More seriously, was it HW accelerated on Snapdragon?

SD E X has higher speed RAM and more cache. The perfect storm for blowing away cores that are bandwidth starved.

 

[poke01]

Whoa, really? Show us the extensive 3rd party benchmarks! Preferably in the Zen5 speculation thread.

I don’t really care about Zen 5 anymore, all aboard the Zen 6 hype train.

If you haven’t deduced it’s just an another average generation jump. I don’t need to see third party benchmarks. Certainly, not from those YouTubers.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I don’t really care about Zen 5 anymore, all aboard the Zen 6 hype train.

Disappointing. Guess we'll have to wait for actual reviews then. Just like we did with SDXE.

 

[igor_kavinski]

all aboard the Zen 6 hype train.

Mike Clark didn't want to wake up to buy Zen 6 so we can safely ignore it.

 

[poke01]

Disappointing. Guess we'll have to wait for actual reviews then. Just like we did with SDXE.

It will be a great jump over Hawk Point but we were promised something greater in our minds.

 

[FlameTail]

OR

Maybe QC is selling their worst chips first 😛

That will do. /s

 

[adroc_thurston]

and everything has fallen apart.

It's ok but QC promised unquestionable leadership, repeatedly, over the span of ~9 months, especially wrt battery life and it's just not that.
Maybe Purwa is super-cheap and goes down to $600 devices in a 2+4 config and thus wins something?

 

[igor_kavinski]

especially wrt battery life and it's just not that.

I think their battery guy sold all his shares at the last minute and ran off.

 

[FlameTail]

Okay, once we are done with the X Elite biz, we can move on to the next great upcoming Snapdragon product.

Snapdragon 8 Gen 4

TSMC N3E node
Oryon CPU
(2 × 4.2 GHz) + (6 × 3.0 GHz)
Adreno 830 GPU
(1.15 GHz)

The custom Oryon CPU architecture, new Adreno 800 series GPU architecture and the 3nm node, Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 is shaping up to be revolutionary...

Or

It will be the Snapdragon 810 all over again!

History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes!

 

[adroc_thurston]

(2 × 4.2 GHz) + (6 × 3.0 GHz)

yeah I'm no longer sure they're gonna clock em that high.

 

[FlameTail]

There has been an announcement:

A Step Forward for Gaming on Arm Devices - DirectX Developer Blog

This year at Microsoft Build 2024 we announced a new set of Windows devices, Copilot+ PCs. Copilot+ PCs are a new class of Windows 11 PCs, including Arm-powered devices that are powered by the Snapdragon® X Series. These new Arm devices have cutting-edge new processing power coming from the CPU...

devblogs.microsoft.com

We are excited to announce the latest advancements in gaming compatibility on Arm: anti-cheat solutions such as BattlEye, Denuvo Anti-Cheat, and Wellbia XIGNCODE3 / UNCHEATER all now support Windows on Arm! Anti-cheat support on Arm means gamers can enjoy their favorite titles securely and fairly, on Copilot+ PCs.

Okay...

Prepare for Gaming on Arm!

Microsoft is adding more fuel to the hype train.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Microsoft will take gaming graphics a step backward to make them run better on SD E X laptops. More "innovations" to come!

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

So... uh... when are the strix laptops available? Asking for a friend...

July to August

If hype makes a product bad then there is no hope. Even Arrow Lake U has hype beasts now.

ARL-U hype? Hahaha, ok that's funny.

Maybe Purwa is super-cheap and goes down to $600 devices in a 2+4 config and thus wins something?

That's the idea. Though 2+4 is ehh. Poverty can't complain much I guess.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

Microsoft will take gaming graphics a step backward to make them run better on SD E X laptops. More "innovations" to come!

They can't because PC Gaming is attached to Console Gaming and Arm is very far from even providing a decent PC Gaming experience.

MS will need to drop the knees and ask Nvidia and AMD for mercy if they want to Arm Gaming to take off.