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MarkizSchnitzel

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The point was to release this in 2023 and claim major perf/BL wins over x86 camp. Fanless wasn't the goal for eons.

Same pricing tier and segment.

nope.
Well I need a new laptop/convertible/chrome machine by the end of the year and am only willing to part with <1000€.
Zen 5 refreshes of the devices I'd get are all likely 2025, and now Snapdragon has disappointed me (not fanless).

Hopefully by 2029 they (anyone) will have an actual macbook air competitor for plebs.
 

SpudLobby

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Microsoft made an incredible claim that the Surface Laptop 7 has 20% better battery life than the Macbook Air M3. That's unbelievable, becuase they both have similar sized batteries, but Apple has the virtue of vertical integration and we know the M3 chip is more power efficient than X Elite.

3Rd party reviews can't come soon enough.
I mean it was on a video playback and Apple’s display is slightly higher resolution. Idk man it’s totally believable.

“More power efficient” can mean a lot of different stuff. I’m kinda tired of this crap where people see it as a monolith.
 

soresu

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Entire Adobe suite is coming to WoA.
Known about that for a while, there's a lot more than Adobe software out there for those of us who have gone past the more consumer friendly segments of the DCC market.

Really the only thing that interests me from that would be Substance Painter, which is effectively industry standard now, even though post Adobe acquisition it has seen considerable bloat and reliability problems (beyond what it already had under Allegorithmic IMHO).
 

FlameTail

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At MS Build, an entire sea of apps have been announced to be getting ARM support soon or having support already.

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There's so many. This screenshot doesn't even capture the full list. Somebody should write an article with entire list of apps, tbh. XDA?
 
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FlameTail

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Geekerwan's M4 review is out. Now we can compare M4 and X Elite power curve.
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M4 CPU (MT) and GPU both maxes out at about 30W.

X Elite CPU (MT) maxes out at about 40W and GPU at 30W.

Granted this is not a 1:1 comparison, as the power measurement methodologies are different.

I am looking forward to Geekerwan's review of X Elite. I hope Qualcomm will send them a unit in advance (that fancy dev kit box perhaps)?
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Windows 11 2024H2 (the version Snapdragon X PCs will ship with) not only has a new x86 emulator, but also a new scheduler, compiler and kernel.

Clearly, there have been under the hood optimisations for these ARM chips.

I would be very interested to see a definition of "new" here, especially regarding the compiler and kernel.

If they've replaced NT I'll eat a hat.
 

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Was anything about Purwa shared yet?


Windows 11 2024H2 (the version Snapdragon X PCs will ship with) not only has a new x86 emulator, but also a new scheduler, compiler and kernel.

Clearly, there have been under the hood optimisations for these ARM chips.
These are some very big changes. MS clearly is pushing for QCOM and the upcoming NV and AMD SoCs.

Intel is taking shots at Qualcomm.

Intel has finally accepted that Qualcomm is a serious competitor. Qualcomm now joins the podium with Intel, AMD and Apple as a major PC CPU vendor.
MS is tossing aside the WinTel Empire and pushing for the new WinArm. Of course Intel is worried. Laptop Consumers is a very big market and Intel will face more competition than ever.
 

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When is the review embargo for these things? I know for a fact some Youtubers already have laptops.
 

gdansk

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I would be very interested to see a definition of "new" here, especially regarding the compiler and kernel.

If they've replaced NT I'll eat a hat.
"Microsoft says that Prism isn’t just a new name for the same old translation technology."
Despite that the translation is still xtajit64 which they have had for years, but with improvements.
And the "new" kernel is the same kernel built with updated ARM64 optimizations and targeting v8.1 instead of v8.0.
 

FlameTail

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"Microsoft says that Prism isn’t just a new name for the same old translation technology."
Despite that the translation is still xtajit64 which they have had for years, but with improvements.
And the "new" kernel is the same kernel built with updated ARM64 optimizations and targeting v8.1 instead of v8.0.
ARM v8.1? That's bizarre. Isn't Oryon ARMv8.7?

And the upcoming Nvidia/AMD/Mediatek SoCs will all certainly be ARMv9.
 

soresu

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ARM v8.1? That's bizarre. Isn't Oryon ARMv8.7?

And the upcoming Nvidia/AMD/Mediatek SoCs will all certainly be ARMv9.
The term lowest common denominator is something you should learn about.

It's the same thing with the profiles Linux has for x86 CPUs - v1, v2, v3 and v4 which have progressively more features.

Each profile represents a lowest common denominator at some point.
 

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A first look at Lenovo's Snapdragon X Elite laptops, the Thinkpad T14s Gen 6 and Yoga Slim 7x.

The Yoga seems like a really good laptop.

14" 3K OLED display
2.82 lbs
70 Wh battery
16 GB RAM
1 TB SSD
Snapdragon X Elite

All for just $1289.
 
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