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FlameTail

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Another Lenovo device with Snapdragon X Elite makes an appearance on Geekbench!
 

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Cant wait for this to release. Should be exciting for sure. Surface Pro with X Elite should be comparable to M3 MBA.
 

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If the benchmarks on GB6 are accurate it's not -much- better than Phoenix but the bigger GPU and more cores would be nice especially if it is doing that at lower power (as Qualcomm suggested).

Strix Point - if following the Phoenix pattern - won't be available in any desirable device until 6 months after it launches which is 4 months after it is announced. And who knows what cadence Qualcomm has planned for its laptop SoCs.
 

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I mean Windows will always be married to x86, the slim chance was there but in those year Qualcomm half-***ed with puny chips that couldn’t even run Java minecraft.

Qualcomm should have done this seriously 8 years ago. Now it’s too late. Just cause it worked for Apple doesn’t it’s gonna work for WoA.
8 years ago? Not necessarily. Even 1/2 years ago would have been fine.
So if AMD and Intel managed M1 levels of standby and efficiency I don’t see how Qualcomm takes off. Only saving grace it’s coming 4 months early.
Grim.

Perhaps Nvidia jumping on the bandwagon, would provide the momentum that WoA needs to get going.
 

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What Qualomm should do is:
1. Create an E-core
2. Accelerate development of next gen P-core (Pegasus)
3. Accelerate development of Snapdragon X second generation.
4. Create multiple dies and SKUs to address different performance/price segments.

I envisioned all this in my Snapdragon X2 generation Concept I made, months ago;

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Create an E-core
Easier said than done lmao.
Accelerate development of next gen P-core (Pegasus)
You can't.
Accelerate development of Snapdragon X second generation.
You can not. Without killing people, that is.
You have to understand that Nuvia is basically slave galley escapees. and Apple is the slave mines.
Create multiple dies and SKUs to address different performance/price segments.
Purva (scaled down Hamoa for mainstream) was a thing but idk if still is.
 

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If the benchmarks on GB6 are accurate it's not -much- better than Phoenix but the bigger GPU and more cores would be nice especially if it is doing that at lower power (as Qualcomm suggested).

Strix Point - if following the Phoenix pattern - won't be available in any desirable device until 6 months after it launches which is 4 months after it is announced. And who knows what cadence Qualcomm has planned for its laptop SoCs.
Phoenix is a weird example.

It's the first time that AMD respun an APU for desktop under a different name since Carrizo -> Bristol Ridge in the Excavator era, and honestly I'm pretty confused as to the reasoning behind this move on their part.
 

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The point I was making was about them doing a name change when they release it for desktop/AMx markets too
But the name change is pretty much for mobile, isn't it?
That's where the bulk of HWK volume dwells.
No different from Lucienne or Barcelo or other AMD renamed refreshes.
 

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No different from Lucienne or Barcelo or other AMD renamed refreshes.
Aren't those are usually just to offload previous gen silicon after new gen silicon has entered the market?

The reasoning for Hawk seems more to give the impression of a Zen+ like stopgap before Zen5/Strix where none actually exists.

If not for Hawk there would be no new APU at CES when they have habitually announced a new APU every year for some time now.

Perhaps AMD are just playing market stability games to keep the stock holders happy.

I'm not actually being critical of AMD here, just thinking out loud the reasoning for this.
 

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Aren't those are usually just to offload previous gen silicon after new gen silicon has entered the market?
Nope, they're the cheaper option.
The reasoning for Hawk seems more to give the impression of a Zen+ like stopgap before Zen5/Strix where none actually exists.
It's also the cheaper option until KRK1 lands.
Perhaps AMD are just playing market stability games to keep the stock holders happy.
It's a byproduct of AMD realigning their client roadmap.
 
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Doesn't matter how good (performant/efficient) Intel and AMD's next gen offerings are, WoA will continue to exist and grow.

The question is how much marketshare it will have (vs Windows x86), and who will be WoA's most succesful hardware supplier (Qualcomm? Nvidia? Mediatek? Samsung?)
 

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Doesn't matter how good (performant/efficient) Intel and AMD's next gen offerings are,
Yea it does.
WoA will continue to exist and grow.
Been like 6 years, still sub 1% PC MSS.
The question is how much marketshare it will have (vs Windows x86), and who will be WoA's most succesful hardware supplier (Qualcomm? Nvidia? Mediatek? Samsung?)
None of note, WoA is a delusional MS affair, and boy do they have many others.
 

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WoA will continue to exist and grow
That's the problem with a closed source OS, however. If Microsoft gives up at some point then it's over. Really how much do they even care about Windows other than as a source of data collection for their new AI garbage future. Will they even pay to develop AVX2 support?
 
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