Q9450 Overclocking Tips and OC Results

xpose

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Ive seen other threads talk about OC'ing the Q9450 then they go off on a tangent and never come back.

Right now I have the Q9450 running at a stable 3.5gz. I can't go any higher and have it remain stable. I have increased my vcore voltage and northbridge and loosened my memory timings. I'm not really sure what all the other voltage settings do, so I haven't touched them. It seems like the CPU can go faster though, I'm just not quite sure what to change next. . . Any tips on how those other voltages might help?

I have tried to increase the voltage on both the CPU and northbridge to go faster but that didn't help at all.

ASUS P5KC LGA 775 Intel P35ASUS]
440 FSB / 1.45 vcore
1.55v Northbrdge
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB DDR2
 

bryanW1995

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if you're at 1.45 vcore in bios then you should stop, and if fact you're probably too high if you're over 1.40 vcore in bios. what vtt are you running right now?
 

runawayprisoner

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1.45v vCore is a bit too much. Really. Unless you plan on throwing the processor away in a year, you should back it down to 1.4v at least.
 

xpose

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Thanks for the help both of you guys. I lowered the vcore to 1.4. bryanW1995, I don't know what VTT means. :( So whatever it is, its at its default setting.
 

Cutthroat

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My Q9450 tops out at 3.56GHz @ 1.275v, I can't get 3.6GHz stable with 1.35v, and anything beyond 1.3v makes my temps start to skyrocket. Most Q9450 overclocks I've seen were not stable beyond about 445MHz fsb, or they required crazy amounts of voltage.

Xpose, if you have a setting in your BIOS called "Load Line Calibration", set it to Enabled (vdroop control). Then lower your vcore more, you should be able to get 3.5GHz stable on 1.3v or less.
 

xpose

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Cutthroat, thanks. Anything above 440 - 441 results in instability. . .so it seems like I am on track then. Ill check to see if I have "Load Line Calibration".
 

majorissuez

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My 9450 is stable at 3.65ghz
at 451fsb
on Asus Rampage formula
i cant seem to get past that so im sticking with that
 

Jessica69

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Remember, not every single cpu is going to overclock like some people brag theirs have done.......be happy you have gotten what you have and feel sorry for the Phenom owners who have to brag about a 300MHz overclock......
 

runawayprisoner

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Here's a fact: only a few motherboards can get nice results with this chip. Among those are ASUS Striker II Extreme and ASUS P5E-VM HDMI. Actually, I haven't seen any other board being able to do up to 475 FSB (counting a lot of GIGABYTE, DFI, Abit, and ASUS boards) with this chip. ASUS P5E-VM HDMI seems to be the best board for this chip, and you can expect 475 stable... or even 500 stable if you are lucky.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: majorissuez
My 9450 is stable at 3.65ghz
at 451fsb
on Asus Rampage formula
i cant seem to get past that so im sticking with that

451x8 = 3.608, not 3.65. did you mean 456 or 457?
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: runawayprisoner
Here's a fact: only a few motherboards can get nice results with this chip. Among those are ASUS Striker II Extreme and ASUS P5E-VM HDMI. Actually, I haven't seen any other board being able to do up to 475 FSB (counting a lot of GIGABYTE, DFI, Abit, and ASUS boards) with this chip. ASUS P5E-VM HDMI seems to be the best board for this chip, and you can expect 475 stable... or even 500 stable if you are lucky.

if you throw crazy vcore for short-term suicide runs then a lot of mobos will go higher. I booted into windows just fine at 463, I just wasn't will to go crazy with the voltages to run it there 24/7.
 

runawayprisoner

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: runawayprisoner
Here's a fact: only a few motherboards can get nice results with this chip. Among those are ASUS Striker II Extreme and ASUS P5E-VM HDMI. Actually, I haven't seen any other board being able to do up to 475 FSB (counting a lot of GIGABYTE, DFI, Abit, and ASUS boards) with this chip. ASUS P5E-VM HDMI seems to be the best board for this chip, and you can expect 475 stable... or even 500 stable if you are lucky.

if you throw crazy vcore for short-term suicide runs then a lot of mobos will go higher. I booted into windows just fine at 463, I just wasn't will to go crazy with the voltages to run it there 24/7.

What do you say to 1.300v vCore, 1.50v vPLL, 1.20v vFSB, 1.45v vNB for 450 FSB? That I need to reduce the voltages? It won't let me go any lower than that... sincerely (edit: except for vNB and vCore, I think). 475 FSB required 1.60v vPLL and 1.36v vFSB (same vNB), while 500 FSB required the same but with a lot of vCore. Don't take the board's max volts as the set max volts now. I don't usually do max volts for suicide runs. I only do max volts for when I want to find the lowest possible voltage for either vPLL, vFSB or vNB for an overclock.
 

whosjohnny

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I really don't understand this blind need for pure Ghz as the holygrail for bragging rights at 3.5-3.6+ and beyond. Frankly, I am a realistic and practical guy when comes to overclocking - real world FPS on real games with similar emphasis on both memory bandwidth and memory timing. Before I get into my philosophy for overclocking, here are my results:

$299 OEM Q9450 C1 stepping 3.334Ghz stable @ 1.168 V stock voltage on EVGA 690i Ultra. Bus Speed 416.7Mhz, CPU FSB 1667Mhz. OCZ Reaper HPC DDR3 1333mhz 6-6-6-18 timing, 2GB - $143 after rebate on Newegg.

These have gone through many hours of prime and torture test as well as multiple pass of Supreme Commander and Supreme Commander Forged Alliance /perf test. I also ran Crysis test, all passed without a hiccup.

My highest post is 4.0Ghz. My highest windows xp pro install and boot stable is 3.6Ghz but not at stock voltage of 1.168 V and I didn't want to go beyond stock voltage.

My philosophy: CPU and RAM duality, Stock Voltage, Memory timing, CPU FSB to Memory ratio, Price, Timing Entry for Upgrade

If you got a nice Q9450 to 3.6Ghz~4.0Ghz but without a fast memory (ample bandwidth and timing) feeding it, your overclocked CPU is worthless, just idle waiting for data. What's worst, if you increase the voltage such as that xpose guy to 1.45V, you're doing yourself a great disservice as killing your lifespan of such a longevity CPU for years to come is nothing to be proud of. Logic dictates the higher you go on voltage, more cooling, gives you higher clock. But why at the expense of killing your CPU? Eventually developers of OS, games, and applications will optimize the use of your Quad and you're just overheating, electromigration cross jump due to super high voltage and killing it, possibly making it slower as it is jittering and dies during it inevitable decline to its death. Not to mention stability issues and a lifetime of headache.

Second worst thing is some try to go all out on memory bandwidth (pure Mhz, like 800mhz 1066mhz on DDR or 1600mhz/1800mhz on DDR3) and care nothing about MEMORY TIMING. I really shouldn't get into all the details as you should be doing the research yourself but let me just say in rough equivalence: DDR3 1333 6-6-6 is similar in linear performance as DDR2/DDR3 1100-1200 5-5-5, DDR3 1600 7-7-7, DDR3 1800 8-8-8, DDR3 2000 9-9-9. So if you only brag you overclock your DDR3 to 2000mhz but have 9-9-9 timing, it's basically the same as 1333mhz 6-6-6 timing in random read, random write game performance. Real world FPS will show you, not only is your system LESS stable but performance will suffer greatly when you ignore TIMING altogether. The difference between a 1800mhz DDR3 2G Ram between a 7-7-7 and 6-6-6 timing is like from $300 vs $600 US Dollars. Just for that little timing jump? Well, yeah, because true gamers UNDERSTAND what they're paying for and can visually tell in real world FPS.

CPU FSB to Memory ratio. I always try to put in some kind of a definite ratio 1:1, 1:2, 2:3, 4:5 or any reverse combination of those. Doing so gurantees the efficiency of data queue in pipelines, especially with such a large 12MB L2 cache. I am a Cisco CCIE Voice engineer, in QoS (Quality of Service), I study traffic policing and traffic shaping. I believe the buffering and queueing of data in pipeline must be efficient for the overall working performance of final delivery output.

Price. I make good money in real life so if I wanted to I would just buy the best pre-built extreme system, a power desktop with a $5,000 budget. But that would defeat the purpose and the spiritual meaning behind the enthusiastic market. Speaking of price, I probably could get a $59 Abit mobo and sub $100 Gigabyte for DDR2 solution but I did not because I'm not dirt poor and we're at a time of transition where I can see the light at the end of the tunnel for DDR3 as prices has come down a lot and performance are ever increasing. Investing in a motherboard supporting only DDR2 memory is killing your long term potential for Q9450 Penryn 45nm CPU. Why 2GB not 4GB? 4GB with 4x1GB sticks introduce timing latency introduced inherently that most do not talk about. So 2GB is mostly for gaming performance. Future upgradability, I didn't want to cap myself at 4GB RAM. Leaving the extra 2 slots, enable me to upgrade to 6GB or 8GB if I sell my DDR3 1333mhz 6-6-6 timing on Ebay later.

Let me summary my joy of this current system with one sentence:

I got a $299 Q9450 OEM cpu that out perform a $1,600 QX9770 Extreme cpu on stock voltage at 1.168 V using air cool only Zalman 9700 & Antec 900 gaming case.

Timing Entry for Upgrade. There is always the best time and worst time for upgrade. Worst time is 6 months ago, when DDR3 are still too expensive, DDR2 1200 5-5-5 timing was super cheap, it's just not there for the jump. Regular Penryn Quadcore Q9450 aren't really available yet, esp. C1 stepping ones. So the entry is now (April 15th 2008 & beyond), this is the beginning of a long term future for DDR3 and price entry is acceptable. This is just my opinion based on 20+ years of overclocking experience and maximizing bang for your buck.

Other thoughts:

At stock voltage of 1.168 V, I am able to run FSB 1666mhz, 66mhz higher than the stock FSB of the QX9770. Could this be a fluke? Like Intel basically cuts off the maximum QX9770 it'll produce even though they can but decide to mark them signifiancaly lower as a Q9450 OEM aftermarket? Maybe. I can't say because I do not have a 6-6-6 timing super RAM @ 2000mhz DDR3 nor do I really want to at this point. I'll keep running on stock voltage 1.168 V for years to come and if one day, I need more CPU performance, I'll buy something like even better than QX9770 processor, extreme edition, and overclock it to 5.0Ghz or higher Quad Extreme possibly with 24MB L2 cache on the same motherboard. When DDR3 price comes down and can overclock beyond 2000mhz with 6-6-6 timing or lower, I'll jump on it again, on the same motherboard.




 

fastman

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Originally posted by: whosjohnny

$299 OEM Q9450 C1 stepping 3.334Ghz stable @ 1.168 V stock voltage on EVGA 690i Ultra. Bus Speed 416.7Mhz, CPU FSB 1667Mhz. OCZ Reaper HPC DDR3 1333mhz 6-6-6-18 timing, 2GB - $143 after rebate on Newegg.

Where can I get a Q9450 for $299?
 

whosjohnny

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I got it from Microcenter here in Orange County, Tustin, CA. I got the $50 instant off promotion that lasted probably for like 1-2 days. Two days after, I went to the website, the promotion is gone. Mine still runs great after 2+ weeks now.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: whosjohnny
I really don't understand this blind need for pure Ghz as the holygrail for bragging rights at 3.5-3.6+ and beyond. Frankly, I am a realistic and practical guy when comes to overclocking - real world FPS on real games with similar emphasis on both memory bandwidth and memory timing. Before I get into my philosophy for overclocking, here are my results:

mmmm....

to each his own! whatever floats your boat go with it!

As for me, i need raw GHZ. I like having bling bling numbers, and i actually use it. WCG will make use of the overclock.

@ 4.0ghz + these monsters, expecially quads become very scary in the task they do and the time they do it at.

To some 15 min may not seem much, but if i can cut that 15 min into 10 or 5, thats a great reduction for me.

:T
 

imported_Wanderlust

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Thanks for the info... I also got the Micro Center deal for $300 on the OEM last month and finally picked up a Maximus Formula last week... Everything seems good so far since Monday w/Folding and Prime95 so I've been looking at some good info on overclocking. :)
 

Fadey

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I got a q9450 with a gigabyte x48 ds-5 and im running it at 1.34v vcore in the bios but in cpu-z it reads 1.296 under load any ideas why my vdrop is so huge? My other settings r (g)mch +0.2 and fsb +0.15.
 

whosjohnny

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Absolutely. If you know exactly what you're getting out of the 4Ghz for scientific or rendering that fully utilizes the 4 cores, by all means do it. Even the most intensive CPU software still rely on peripheral to feed info for the next tasks and moving data - DDR2 / DDR3 memory but at least you cut GPU out of the equation, making the massive data memory move less of an issue. Sure, in this case pure Ghz sounds plausible but I am targeting specifically gamers who blindly wants bragging right. There are cases that the game actually runs slower by having FASTER Ghz by "studdering" due to unsync mem to fsb, GPU bottlenecking, and other areas of the peripherals bottlenecking. I called it "choking" and redoing tasks -- overall making everything just slower.

Put it in lament terms by telling a story:

Scenario A: Person A talks to Person B. Both speaks at 100 words per minute. Overall throughput per hour is 6,000 words per minute.

Scenario B: Person A talks to Preson B. Person A speaks at 200 words per minute, Person B 100 words per minute. Whenever Person B ask Person A to slow down and repeat what he just said because he can't listen fast enough, Person A has to stop and start over on what he just said. This happens when Person B's "buffer" ran out, like the L2 cache on your CPU. Over the course of an hour, their total throughput is only 4,500 words per minute due to bottlenecking at Person B AND the "choke" effect that i refer to earlier.
 

Shortass

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I've never heard of a case in which a faster processor caused a game to run slower. Even if you had reached a video or other bottleneck, the CPU speed would still be rendering what it needed to do as soon as it receives the information. It would make a video bottleneck more obvious, but it would never actually slow down the entire process. Unless, of course, you can find a concrete (and moderately recent) example. I don't care if a fast cpu hurts Sim City 2000's performance..