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KLC

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o 1 die, shopping in Fry's in CA is always an adventure and always an exercise in caution. For many years they would take returns, broken or just unwanted, reseal them to look like they were factory fresh and put them back on the shelf. You might get home to find out that the new package you just opened had half of the components missing, dust and dirty fingerprints all over it, or just plain wouldn't work. So you returned it, they cheerfully repackaged it and the game started all over again.

I think they were sued by the State of CA a few years ago for this deception. Now you will see packages with stickers on them identifying them as returns. But I still don't trust them. The deals can be enticing, I go there frequently, but buyer beware.
 

smz

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Those stickers are pointless. I mean I've been guilty of returning something and forgetting to throw in the cat5 cable that it came with, etc.

OH, they implemented an open box discount quite a while ago on those new stickers you see. A whole 5% off, Woo Hoo. Let's party. Though half the time the msrp drops and then the open box price is higher than the cost of the item new.

To the gentleman who indicated they were sold out, They still had a few left in Woodland Hills last night. I picked up the one I had on hold from Friday with the G0 stepping. It seems my MB has an over clocking limit though I've never heard of such a thing. But this CPU and the previous e6400 can not take more than 600mhz above stock clock. Doesn't matter how you get there, reducing the multiplier, or raising voltage, etc. But Stock clock on the Q6600 is 2.4ghz so I'm relatively happy with 3.0ghz X 4. Though I wish my Gigabyte MB had a few more options for FSB:DDR2 settings because I'm running 800mhz Ram @ 667mhz in this configuration. The ram is rated 4-4-4-12 @ 800mhz so I kept this for the 667mhz.

I just ran one small little bench mark so far that has be convinced that if you are going to use a program built for multi cores, especially more than 2, this is going to be a hard one to beat and impossible for a native 2 core non quad CPU. A quick and dirty benchmark that runs fast but is very accurate and respected is Wprime. They have a quick and thorough test. You submit your results for free and can see your ranking of your various submissions and multiple machines if you wish. This will tell you right off the bat if your quad is running at the minimum of what you should get stock but here people are showing off their over clocking abilities. I head into this latest submission with 12ghz of usable processing power and I more than doubled my E6400 CPU I replaced that was a Dual 2.75ghz.

The chart shows among the entire database of their members that I have one of the fastest rigs out there, but in terms of comparing only to other Q6600 submitted results, I am in the 75% or so bracket. Thats not unheard of because one review I read before buying this showed a comparison between the Intel E6850 Duo and Q6600 Quad. They had stable clocks that amazed me. The e6850 they clocked at 3.85ghz and the Q6600 was at 3.6ghz. With fuctinoality at 3.7ghz but for the sake for stress testing and benchmarking, a stable clock is the only acceptable method.

If I get bored or curious or both, I may do the daring thing and swap out this Quad with my Favorite over clocking board I've ever owned and was a mere $39 refurbished at Fry's sporting the P35 chipset vs my Gigabyte with Intel's 965. That Abit is running the e4500 which as a stock stock of 2.2ghz but runs without a hitch at 3.0ghz. This is my server so there isn't much time to mess around but that machine has been relatively stable without tweaking anything but FSB and a little voltage boasting at least 1.0ghz over stock clock on this e4500 @ 3.2ghz. I don't need my server to have that much power but my main tower it can always be useful with the globs of multimedia editing I do. We shall see on that.

I mentioned in an earlier post if anyone has any success stories with bios setting that worked good for you with the Q6600 you'd like to share, to please do so.

Link to Download Wprime for Free
Please share your results. It's free and quick.

Over and out.

Scott
SMZ
 

bryanW1995

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ok, frys is evil. I think I'll go by their store on 59 in houston on tuesday since I'm driving right by it...
 

lavaliant

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I was curious what size of power supply people are using to overclock these SLACR G0 quads? I've tried 2 chips and can't get prime95 stable at any more than stock. I was running an e6300 on this board up to 450mhz before, so I think my mb/ram is good. Maybe my crappy Ultra 500W power supply just can't provide the juice for 3Ghz+ quad goodness.
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: lavaliant
I was curious what size of power supply people are using to overclock these SLACR G0 quads? I've tried 2 chips and can't get prime95 stable at any more than stock. I was running an e6300 on this board up to 450mhz before, so I think my mb/ram is good. Maybe my crappy Ultra 500W power supply just can't provide the juice for 3Ghz+ quad goodness.

I have done it on a 450, but thats a GOOD 450 (Fortron) Also, what motherboard do you have ?
 

bryanW1995

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you're asking for problems if you run a quad on a no-name psu. a high quality psu of less than 500w is probably ok as long as you don't have a power-hungry gpu setup, however. corsair is generally well-regarded, and the antec earthwatts series have a decent rep without busting most budgets. also, check out the psu forum and jonnyguru.com.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: lavaliant
I was curious what size of power supply people are using to overclock these SLACR G0 quads? I've tried 2 chips and can't get prime95 stable at any more than stock. I was running an e6300 on this board up to 450mhz before, so I think my mb/ram is good. Maybe my crappy Ultra 500W power supply just can't provide the juice for 3Ghz+ quad goodness.

I have done it on a 450, but thats a GOOD 450 (Fortron) Also, what motherboard do you have ?

mark, I know that aigo has ultra high end psus generally, but what do you have for your quads?
 

Markfw

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Well, I don't profess to know all PSU's, but I know my Fortron 450s do OK, but only on crap (1 meg PCI) video cards. Most are on Antec 550's or OCZ 600 powerstreams, I have a Seasonic S12 600, and a Fortron 700. The 450 is on ome that I have problems getting above 3200.

As for the coolermaster500, but gut tells me its fine, but only on a low end video card. And I am speakng about Q6600's OC'ed to 3.2 or better. At stock speed and vcore, they could work on much less.
 

alimoalem

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Originally posted by: smz
It's just funny that end of Nov 2007 on black Friday, they had this CPU in a combo with some Junk ECS M/B for $199. Honestly I don't know how they do it. To think they are a commission store, so any time you buy something and some Fry's guy claims they have to give you a printout "quote" which is BS unless you are buying something in the cage, they get some fat commission out of it.

I've read through the thread and others have said what I wanted to say except for a response to this. If there's an item on sale (as in it was in the paper and the item has a yellow notecard in front of it with the price/details/etc. on it), the salespeople don't get commission off it.

If the item has a green notecard in front of it, it's what Fry's wants it salespeople to sell to the customer instead of the yellow notecard (sale) items. Red is for clearance items. If the item has a yellow notecard, red notecard, or no notecard at all, they'll get commission off it. Yellow notecard gets them nothing. At least that's how it was 2 years ago when I worked there.

Just thought you guys'd want to know.
 

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Sweet price. I paid $299 when it first came out (G0). I still cannot imagine a better bang for the buck.
 

bryanW1995

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ok, went by the frys on hwy 59 in houston. it was closed. NOT funny. why aren't they open at 11pm on sundays the way newegg is????

I hate you aigomorla. ok, you did help me fix my computer the other day, I'm just a little bit jealous of your overclocking skillz. I'll be happy to beat mark and get 8x450 with my X3350.
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
ok, went by the frys on hwy 59 in houston. it was closed. NOT funny. why aren't they open at 11pm on sundays the way newegg is????

I hate you aigomorla. ok, you did help me fix my computer the other day, I'm just a little bit jealous of your overclocking skillz. I'll be happy to beat mark and get 8x450 with my X3350.

I can do 8 x 450 or better, but not F@H stable for 18 hours or more....
 

Hajpoj

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All I know is I picked up an e2140 for $60 back when these guys were near $500, I've had all the performance I could ever need. Heck I don't even have to worry AT ALL about the life of this little guy, he's my little plaything that I ransack daily.
 

Hajpoj

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It's just California Customer Service, I don't think it has anything to do with these companies. There's a lot of A-holes around here.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: smz
Link to Download Wprime for Free
Please share your results. It's free and quick.

Over and out.

Scott
SMZ

Only cuz you asked nicely. :T

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...3/aigomorla/Wprime.jpg

:T

Yikes those temp differences between cores are rather large! :Q

i know i need a remount. But im waiting my RMA from ATI b4 i do that. For now its not bothering me too much.

BTW im bummed. It takes 1.408Vcore to hold prime stable. :T wish i could dip into the sub 1.4Vcore range.

Originally posted by: Hajpoj
All I know is I picked up an e2140 for $60 back when these guys were near $500, I've had all the performance I could ever need. Heck I don't even have to worry AT ALL about the life of this little guy, he's my little plaything that I ransack daily.

I have a 50 dollar E2200 that im gonna throw on torture rack after i get my main's build completed. :D

Theres nothing wrong with plaything!
 

smz

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Oh that's totally not fair. What you do with an Extreme is 3 seconds faster than my Quad OC'd at 3.0ghz. Is it just the X series are overclockable because of the multiplier being unlocked or ??? I can't squeeze more than 3.05ghz no matter what I do with the Gigabyte 965-DS3 which doesn't have a h majorly eat pipe for the chipset but does run the reputable Zalman 9500LED.

Seems by adding voltage, the system doesn't wanna boot so stock voltage is all I run. Though this board gives me 600 or so more mhz out of each core no matter what CPU I use. So my Abit IP35 has a Core 2 Duo with a stock clock of 2.2ghz up to 3.0ghz and reasonably stable at 3.2ghz but it's a server and needs to stay up so I leave it at 3.0ghz as 24 hours of Prime95 tortore proves it's reliability.

But that IP35 has a 1ghz improvement over stock clock. So I did grab an IP35 from Fry's to see if I could get more bang out of the quad just to find out that even though it was an open box, those Fry's jerkoffs put a big check list sheet of how they test returned boards. This board was returned twice. 3/2/08 and 3/26/08 funny thing is, the checklist from from 3/2/08 and nothing for 3/26/08. Well two very bent pins will surely keep this board from working. What a waste of time. Oh there was no IOshield plate or plastic cover over the 775 socket.

Arguing with them won't do a thing about time wasted but they swore they didn't have any more of these boards except the one opened one even though the computer said they did.

When i go back there, someone better be less lazy than the original sales guy. Obviously no commission on this sale (red tag)

So obviously this thread started with advertising the price drop of the Quad. Is there any one out here who has successfully clocked their q6600's above 3.0ghz who would like to share their bios settings? I'm not sure if it's the Intel 965 chipset limiting me or ??? I've seen on a couple review sites that the q6600 got up to 3.6 & 3.7ghz.

Scott


Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: smz
Link to Download Wprime for Free
Please share your results. It's free and quick.

Over and out.

Scott
SMZ

Only cuz you asked nicely. :T

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...3/aigomorla/Wprime.jpg

:T

 

smz

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Actually I did see it and then just revised my message two seconds before your post here. Asking for tips on bio settings or something more than success stories. Curious if certain chipsets OC better than others and if voltage has to be tweaked in other areas besides the CPU which for right now I have no need to up my CPU stock voltage but I really don't want to run my Corsair PC-6400 @ 667mhz but my choice is 667 @ 4-4-4-12 2.1v or 866 @ 5-5-5-18

These are XMS2 TWINX2 PC6400C4 modules. Either the flagship PC6400 or right below it. I think when I ran Wprime a half a dozen times, the 667mhz setting with cas4 was better than 866mhz at cas 5.

Hmmm

Originally posted by: Markfw900
smz, see sig...

 

bryanW1995

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your first problem is that crappy zalman hsf. I have a cnps 9700 that I'm planning to dump on a quad, but I'm also only shooting for 3.0-3.2 b/c i know that the zalman won't be able to handle much of an oc.
 

smz

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I read a recent review of CPU fans and found the Zalman 9500 to be right in the middle with the 9700 mid to upper. The difference in terms of temperature was 3 to 4 degrees depending on idle or load scenarios.

But these numbers weren't close to what you get with a stock fan either. I didn't pay too much attention to the review in terms of the high end but it may very well have had a 10 degree fareignhight reduction compared to a 9500.

Though I am not able to post most of the time past 3.05 and my idle temperatures aren't bad depending on what program you are looking at. The gigabyte utility reads 71F which seems awefully low where CoreTemp varies a lot but is the upper 80's F.

At full load on coretemp those cores get into the 130's F.

I run an Antec 900 with a 550W Antec Trio PS but my cooling has all the fans at minimum RPM for noise suppression. Perhaps having the fans in the case spinning faster than >1500RPM could help things? not too sure. But there are 4 120MM internal case fans and the 200MM on the top of the case. System temperature is about 10 degrees higher than room Temp.

Anyhow, I've had this Zalman for a while and compared to my previous experiences with sticking with stock fan's, it was a new ray of light for me. But we're talking a $50 solution here as well where I know they can go even higher.

Scott

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
your first problem is that crappy zalman hsf. I have a cnps 9700 that I'm planning to dump on a quad, but I'm also only shooting for 3.0-3.2 b/c i know that the zalman won't be able to handle much of an oc.

 

Markfw

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try 1.40 vcore, 2.0 multi, 378 fsb, +.2 fsb term, +.2 gmh

Also, if that boots, tell me the load vcore and load temps.

You should have 1.328 vcore load (if its like mine). and not sure, but 65c temps. Thats 3.4, almost for sure.