Q1 2013 discrete GPU market share?

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SirPauly

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RussianSensation said:
In case you didn't notice, stock vs. stock, OC vs. OC in the charts. NV loses. $300 HD7950 OC + 3 AAA games >>> $450 GTX680 OC. Can you recall the last time a $300 ATi card could consistently trade blows and beat a $450 NV card in performance?
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It depends -- not all 7950 cores are created equal. Great to have nice potential scaling if one desires to play the lottery. Have no issue with AMD's choices and think they offer compelling choice to a gamer. You on the other hand, clamoring superior and nvidia owners are dumb and use GeForce Experience as an example.
 
SirPauly

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NIGELG said:
Titan is priced at 1000 bucks to not ''Cannibalize'' sales of lower Nvidia cards.....LOL....Nonsense.
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Absolutely, to not cannibalize sales of current and future Kepler derivatives -- to protect current and future margins!
 
SirPauly

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RussianSensation said:
Because JHH said in the interview that the reason they have been working on GeForce Experience is because based on their focus group testing / NV customer feedback, 80% of their customers didn't know how to tweak graphical settings or understood what in-game GPU settings mean / how they impact performance.
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That is totally wrong!

In a 2011 survey conducted by Niko Partners
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RussianSensation

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SirPauly said:
That is totally wrong!
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So NV hired a 3rd party company that found out that 80% of NV's customer's don't know how to tweak in-game settings/what they mean. Changes nothing about the actual data on majority of NV's customer base needing hand-holding. I think GeForce experience is great but it is how it came about that defines the majority of NV's GPU users.

Interesting how you knew off the top of your head what 3rd party research firm provided that data to NV......
 
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SirPauly

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Indeed, and what happened with both AMD and nVidia, imho! Market, ultimately decides!
 
Jaydip

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RussianSensation said:
So NV hired a 3rd party company that found out that 80% of NV's customer's don't know how to tweak in-game settings/what they mean. Changes nothing about the actual data on majority of NV's customer base needing hand-holding. I think GeForce experience is great but it is how it came about that defines the majority of NV's GPU users.

Interesting how you knew off the top of your head what 3rd party research firm provided that data to NV......
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How do you know what AMD's customer base need or feel? this is a very interesting comment.
 
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RussianSensation said:
Of course I remember. Contrary to your statement, AMD's desktop dGPU market share has barely fluctuated in 9 years which is my whole point. AMD's desktop GPU market share has been around 40% for nearly 9 years outside of very few outliers. Therefore the statement that AMD is bleeding market share in the GPU sector is only true of notebook parts. The desktop dGPU segment has been steady over the last 9 years, more or less, yet now AMD went back to ATI/NV's $500-550 historical price levels. That means for next round HD8970 will be $499-549 or more. No more $299-369 flagship AMD cards at launch for a long time. Blame NV users who never bought HD6950 and flashed it to HD6970 to get a card for $299 with 90% of the performance of a $499 GTX580...
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1. Your statement (which I quoted) didn't refer to a timeframe of 9 years. Please stay on topic and don't change your arguments at will. You talked about HD4000 - present. HD4000 was released in 2008, which was less than 5 years ago.

2. My answer to your statement also referred to 2008-present and I gave precise arguments why your statement was wrong. Read it again if you don't understand. AMD has not (effectively!) raised prices compared to HD5000 or HD6000. There is only one exception, and that is the time when no competition was around (either not at all or with bad availability, Q1 and Q2 2012). Under these conditions, anyone can charge anything, so that really doesn't mean anything. For the vast majority of their lifetime, AMDs HD7000 cards have been sold at (effectively due to bundles) much lower prices than at launch. Prices that are on par with HD5000-6000 days.

You have a nasty habit of steering off course to find some arguments that are right in some way but that have nothing (at all) to do with the original question at hand. If you feel compelled to answer to my posts, I would suggest you actually think of a concise answer that is on point and not write some novels about stuff that is not relevant here.
 
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Jaydip

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NIGELG said:
Come on and say what you really mean by ''interesting comment''.
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I believe I cleared that in my query already? it's interesting because without any data to back up you are saying 80% of NV's customerbase needs hand holding.So does he actually know how exactly AMD's consumerbase feel or need?
 
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Jon Peddie published their own Q1 2013 numbers:
Nvidia’s quarter-to-quarter desktop discrete shipments were flat from last quarter; and, the company’s mobile discrete shipments increased 7.6%. The company’s overall PC graphics shipments increase 3.6%.
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http://jonpeddie.com/publications/market_watch

Overall nVidia is only 2pp under AMD without IGP shipment against AMD with APUs.
 
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SirPauly said:
What I don't understand is how GeForce Experience is an insult to nVidia customers! It's another example of their pro-active thinking for their customers that may not be as savy with settings or not as knowledgeable

Lower end GPU's -- OEMS with discrete desktop and mobile users -- new to GeForce or PC gaming over-all to name some examples. It may help customers receive a better experience.
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I am tech savy, I know perfectly well how to set the settings for a video card, I use geforce experience - it's great. I have a laptop the kids play on, I don't want to have to worry about what exact combination of settings work best so I just press the optimize button and instantly the game graphics are correctly setup for my laptop. Why should I waste 1/2 an hour fiddling with settings, trying them out, googling which ones effect fps the most when I can just press a button.

Even if you do want to tweak then geforce experience is a good starting point - when you buy a game you want to play, not fight with the graphcis settings - geforce experience means just press the button, instant playable settings. Sure I might tweak later having played for a while, but I really appreciate having my initial settings about right, not 800*600 min settings.
 
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f1sherman said:
:eek:

Nvidia is such a beast.
PC is down in double digits, yet their units are up and margins are record high.
Some of our fellow forums users really need to revise their theories ;)

Is JHH a freaking genius or what?
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Imagine what AMD could have been today had AMD agreed to let JHH take the reigns after an agreed Nvidia-AMD merge.
 
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NIGELG said:
JHH worship D:.....
Nvidia is not a one man show....o_O.
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Oh but it is. On key strategy decision it has always been a one man show!
Worship? Call it what you want. Whatever he's doing it's gdamn impressive.

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Imagine what AMD could have been today had AMD agreed to let JHH take the reigns after an agreed Nvidia-AMD merge.
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yeah :rolleyes:
why would AMD brass wanted CEO who built his company from ground up, who's engineer by vocation and who already knew AMD from inside out
 
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f1sherman said:
Oh but it is. On key strategy decision it has always been a one man show!
Worship? Call it what you want. Whatever he's doing it's gdamn impressive.



yeah :rolleyes:
why would AMD brass wanted CEO who built his company from ground up, who's engineer by vocation and who already knew AMD from inside out
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How one man worship me cults are started......:cool:..

People behind the scenes are often ignored....:colbert:
 
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f1sherman

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One man cult of a man with the clear vision certainly sounds better than:
"Lets buy ATI and build graphics cards. And we''ll also make APUs."
If it was JHH, something like HSA would be up in 2008.

Besides I'm pretty sure that "people behind the scene" are the very best in the field, in Intel, NVIDIA and AMD alike.

So from where does the difference arise? Starting conditions, IP, no doubt.
But perhaps this cult has something to do with it. One man being able to continuously assert his vision :hmm:
 
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