Q: Is China going to overtake the U.S. as the world's foremost superpower?

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: gingermeggs

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


what did i saw that was wrong, what does your post have to do with mine besides some inane venting?

Your post made claims which are absolutely false. Mine is a refute of those claims.
whose claims are-
a)the us is still the worlds primary producer, especially of capital and durable goods.

USA IS NOT- it is the largest single economy in the world 3x larger then it's nearest rival which is japan- but the EU is slightly larger then the USA, not the number one exporter- is germany, china beats you there too!
And you economy is still in decline, not that it will be bettered by one single country for 30 years odd.

the eu is not a country, yet, and exporting is a different concept than production. FYI there are countries in s/e asain and europe where exports and imports are actually greater than the countries gdp.

China surpassed the US as the world's second-largest exporter in the middle of 2006, according to data published Thursday by the World Trade Organization, and the emerging economic giant is pulling further and further ahead. Ireland slipped from 26th ranking of the world's leading merchandise exporters in 2005 to 29th place in 2006.

again, exporting and importing is a very different concept than production

b)seriously, not even close. china is a decade+ away from being even a secondary military power globally, at best now its a tertiary power, on par with iran, pakistan, or india.

China(1.5bil pop) and India(1.5bil pop) are already secondary powers, to parity them to Iran(50mill pop) or Pakistan(50mill pop) is misleading.
India has quite a formidable navy. India and china have 100's of nukes(some long range capability too) Iran has none and Pakistan has fewer then 20 and a trained on India with only medium range capability.

you are correct here, india is probably a secondary world power militarily

also:
china 1338 million, india 1169 million, pakistan 167 million, iran 74 million
(had links to cia wfb but links kept breaking)
china, pakistan, iran and india are all top-10 militaries in terms of active troops

all these countries have million+ man armies with fairly antiquated tech, with the exception of india which mosts a fairly large navy and very large airforce. spain, ukraine, eqyptand a few others probably would have been a better comparison


compare that to secondary military powers such as france, the uk, russia, italy and a handful of others that have first rate tech and the ability to project force globally within days or hours, or israel, SK, etc which have large advanced militaries in very hostile areas

or the united states which is 5-10 years ahead of the secondary countries technologically, and not only has the ability to project power globally, but at any given point can do so against all but a handful of countries successfully within minutes if necessary.

talk about some fucking fail on your part.

I agree with you on the long term future of china, Its at critical mass so it can never be a world leader, poverty will always chase its coat tails.
But I believe the hay day of the usa is over, it doesn't get any better from here for you guys.
I am not going to say *FAIL sh!tcvnt
:wine:

btw you can use the word shitcunt, kiddo

edit: fixed busted links and quotes

 

[gingermeggs]

so You meant gdp.....hmmmm ohkay'
And you concede the India thingy!
So we both kinda fail, hey?
But, hey you boys sure do make a humdinger' of a fishing reel all the same, old'mate'o
Lol

PS. Economy and who's coming first makes me angry and bored; hence clutching for straws.
You on the other hand were being vague and proud- like your a front runner.
Economy as a competitive race, is a race in which nobody truly wins, has lots of crashes where billions of people get hurt, millions lose their lives basically in vain and has no finish line, for mine at lest. The whole concept stifles economic growth and progression for us all.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: JS80

But I'll entertain your old mind. Working at walmart is still a huge upgrade to weaving cotton.

I'm sure that you are well aware that many manufacturing jobs (most) are not weaving cotton. I'm also sure you know that many professionals are put out of work as those factories close. I've seen it as hundreds of professionals were let go from my own company as the factories were moved to Mexico. Mexican labor is $0.85 to $1.00 per hour for production and engineers make $2.85 to $3.00 per hour.

One final note on US made goods, many are now "finished" here with foreign made sub-assembiles. I see it every single day. Make in Mexico, ship in US, do some small "value added" function and mark "Made in USA" on product.

Welcome to Walmart...would you like a sticker for your kid or need a buggy?

Meh - it really depends on what industry you are in. You work in a dinosaur industry(supplier for it). 3 of my 4 projects this year were manufacturing UPGRADES which will actually employ MORE people than before. My next one is a new processing building which will increase production capacity. Oh, did I mention it was in Ohio?

I guess some people only want to look at the dark clouds...

Maybe some people could see the dark clouds if they took their head out of the sand! :roll:

I guess the US is just booming in CAD land.

:laugh: I just showed you that things aren't all bad and pointed out that your view is from being involved in the dinosaur business.... but I'm the one with his head in the sand? wake the hell up - it's not all doom and gloom.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Who do they work for though? The US isn't just made of Jone, Smiths and Browns, we imported all the Mc's and the anski's and the Dortmunders. So the best minds come from other nations and end up coming to US grad schools. If they stay here and work for GM or GE they are Americans now. We've always been xenophobic, but if we adopt new good things we keep working.

That's the point though. Currently, they work for US firms. But all it takes is a little capital & they could easily work for firms in their home countries. I'm not being xenophobic - I don't care who's here.

However, a lot of people seem to think we have an awesome educational system here. We do have a pretty good educational system. However, many of those students are entering our masters and PhD programs BETTER prepared than their US counterparts. It's just a matter of time before their industries start growing over there, and with those industries, they'll gain capital at an exponential rate. Change can occur very rapidly once it starts happening.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Patranus
China actually exports products...what does the USA actually manufacture and export?

China has a budget surplus...how are those trillion dollar budget deficits treating the US?

The US is still the world's largest exporter.

Germany is the largest exporter in the world

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: JS80
The correct answer is "Never"

There is a dreamer.

The only thing keeping us slightly above china is our tech. With out that advantage we pretty much have nothing.

I believe china will catch up to us faster then you think. I'm not pro China or anything.

But who really gives a flying fuck what you assholes really believe. OR say.

Even if you think the US has the strongest military, Navy or AirForce. It all boils down to who's gonna push the nuke button first. China, like russia and india and probably Israel (if they ever turned on us) and I don't trust em and neither should you. But that's besides the point, the point is many nations have enough nukes to nuke us over 2-20 times and it makes tho whole point "WHO IS BETTER" just a BS question. What good is an army, tanks, fighters, etc...etc... when they all have been radiated?

 

[5150Joker]

Here's an article that backs up what I said in my earlier post: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8289302.stm

"One of the legacies of this crisis may be a recognition of changed economic power relations," said World Bank president Robert Zoellick.

The US, the world's biggest economy, has been in recession for almost two years, while emerging economies like China and Brazil have grown.

This may help bring about a long-term rebalancing of the world economy.