Pyramid of capitalist system

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
If you dont like capitalism, give up everything it has done for you , leave the country and go to a place thats communist or socialist. Heck Im sure you could find someone to pay for your move and take those belongings off your hands, so as long as you promise never to come back.

Of all the people that dislike capitalism, I sure dont see many giving back everything capitalism has given them.

It's not what it has done for us but, what it could have done but has not and why. Why do we not have health care for all people (not equally, necessarily)? Why do some folks not get their fair share of the product of their labors? Why is greed an acceptable motive and charity is not fully tax deductable?
Or as Plato may have said "it is the difference between an orange".

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Better implies a capacity for judgment. Judgment requires impartiality. Impartiality is the condition of freedom from preconceptions. Preconceptions are determinations that everything has already been judged. Because one asks a question like you got something better, does not equate to a capacity for understand an answer.

Judgment does not require impartiality, as one can never be truly impartial.

Since that is your judgment you could obviously be quite wrong.

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To be unbiased is to not be motivated by factors which are unconscious. So he who is conscious, who has overcome the fear of his past, is not motivated by feelings he's afraid to face. This is what I mean. If you want to say that man is aware of only a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and does not perceive true reality as it really is, fine, but who cares. I don't see Z-rays. Oh well. The rose in my garden is good enough for me.

Well true but in my original statement I was speaking of judgment as a requirement to understand 'better' so I was speaking of judgment as discrimination rather than judgment as judgmental ism.

Okay, my key statement there was that judgement does not require impartiality. In your response you admitted that I made a judgement; you did not qualify your statement as to whether the judgement was to be good or poor, and so judgement does not require impartiality.

Okay, but unless I'm just failing to understand you, in neither case does judgement require impartiality. I may be a person of discriminating taste among crabs; however, due to the fact that I grew up on the Bay, I will always be partial to blue crabs. This does not preclude my judging that blue crabs are best...again, unless I am just failing to understand you, which is entirely possible.

I think you are talking about preference and a personal one at that. Nobody will complain if you eat blue and I eat dungeness. jj was judging an economic system based on assumptions that were false. People don't have deep-seated cultural pressures to favor blue crab in the way that a capitalistic society pushes its beliefs. Trillions have been spent on propping up support for capitalism. We are bathed in that bias. Our New American Century in Iraq is all about it. Ever speak out against the war? Why do you think jjones flipped when he was challenged? Compare that to how you would react if I told you blue crabs suck. You could probably keep your head.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Capitalism addresses the basic nature of man better than any other system and at least it's not a farce of ideals.

agree totally!

 

[Moonbeam]

You have jjones, opinion there, not mine, DaWhim. Oh man.

 

[JellyBaby]

Yeah so where your mind stops working mine does too. Only the knowers know. But the near limitless resource of which you speak may in fact be simply be Love.

Moonbeam, you are truly unique and wonderous. That reply was as insightful as any from you.

Rats that your mind broke down when mine did. I have only fleeting memories of that which comes from Life and my programming and left-brain orientation keeps me a constant companion to Knowledge. Only the knowers know but I know not where to find them.

I would say when the world's struggle over natural resources lessens, it will be easier to love as a matter of circumstance. One can find proof in the darndest places. Earlier this year I played one of those online rpg games. In it, due to the abundance of opportunity and material wealth, it was quite common to see people giving away valuable items as well as their time to help. It was quite refreshing and enjoyable, made possible by nearly unlimited resources of things needed for all to endure.

 

[AvesPKS]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Better implies a capacity for judgment. Judgment requires impartiality. Impartiality is the condition of freedom from preconceptions. Preconceptions are determinations that everything has already been judged. Because one asks a question like you got something better, does not equate to a capacity for understand an answer.

Judgment does not require impartiality, as one can never be truly impartial.

Since that is your judgment you could obviously be quite wrong.

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To be unbiased is to not be motivated by factors which are unconscious. So he who is conscious, who has overcome the fear of his past, is not motivated by feelings he's afraid to face. This is what I mean. If you want to say that man is aware of only a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and does not perceive true reality as it really is, fine, but who cares. I don't see Z-rays. Oh well. The rose in my garden is good enough for me.

Well true but in my original statement I was speaking of judgment as a requirement to understand 'better' so I was speaking of judgment as discrimination rather than judgment as judgmental ism.

Okay, my key statement there was that judgement does not require impartiality. In your response you admitted that I made a judgement; you did not qualify your statement as to whether the judgement was to be good or poor, and so judgement does not require impartiality.

Okay, but unless I'm just failing to understand you, in neither case does judgement require impartiality. I may be a person of discriminating taste among crabs; however, due to the fact that I grew up on the Bay, I will always be partial to blue crabs. This does not preclude my judging that blue crabs are best...again, unless I am just failing to understand you, which is entirely possible.

I think you are talking about preference and a personal one at that. Nobody will complain if you eat blue and I eat dungeness. jj was judging an economic system based on assumptions that were false. People don't have deep-seated cultural pressures to favor blue crab in the way that a capitalistic society pushes its beliefs. Trillions have been spent on propping up support for capitalism. We are bathed in that bias. Our New American Century in Iraq is all about it. Ever speak out against the war? Why do you think jjones flipped when he was challenged? Compare that to how you would react if I told you blue crabs suck. You could probably keep your head.

I would tend to disagree with "People don't have deep-seated cultural pressures to favor blue crab...". You're right, I would be able to keep my head...but if you've ever been to the Eastern Shore of Maryland, you'd see that it is indeed a culture...I might be able to, but others may not (when their livelyhood depends on your liking blue crabs). In this world of relatives...who's to say what is better than something else? Anyone can...and not necessarily be right or wrong.

 

[AvesPKS]

Looking back through the post (as I wasn't even really responding to the substance of your statements, just the semantics), I'm not sure there is the possibility of a "better" idea. You may be right. Or maybe I've just been reading too much Heinlein...if he had it his way, there would be no possible outcome but dictatorships and nuclear holocausts...

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

"Everything ordinary people do is of the mechanically of sleep"

Me am glad mounbeam am so coherent! He make me laugh with big tickle!

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Regarding the image...cute It's wonderful to see such dishonesty in an artistic format!

Jason