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Originally posted by: TallBill
Because you are a fucking moron. There, I said it.
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What kind of life do you live that you get so worked up over posts on a forum that you have to make personal attacks?
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: TallBill
Because you are a fucking moron. There, I said it.
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What kind of life do you live that you get so worked up over posts on a forum that you have to make personal attacks?
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It's necessary because you're a huge moron that refuses to listen to reason.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: Mo0o


It's necessary because you're a huge moron that refuses to listen to reason.
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Why would I lower myself to your level?
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The level of being right? It's ridiculous you obstinately cling to your flawed reasoning despite the voice of countless others, with way more education, saying otherwise.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: TallBill
Because you are a fucking moron. There, I said it.
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What kind of life do you live that you get so worked up over posts on a forum that you have to make personal attacks?
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You're either trolling or seemingly incapable of understanding. It's been explained clearly. One more try, for good luck... Here are the GIVEN parameters for this scenario:

1. You have a jar with 20 coins in it, one of which has heads on both sides.
2. You randomly chose a coin from the jar.
3. You flipped the chosen coin four times and got heads each time.

Your issue is clearly with (3), saying this does not happen every time you do (2) in real life. This might be true, but is 100% irrelevant. For the sake of the problem, you are supposed to assume that (3) occurred as described, not that it's something you can reenact personally every time you choose a coin. Nothing even remotely implies that. It's just one possible scenario and that's all you need to consider to come up with an answer.

Don't you understand what hypothetical means? You're asked to accept some assumptions.
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Chiropteran may I ask, are you a student and if so, what do you study? If not, what level of education have you achieved?
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In another thread he said he hasn't graduated from high school yet
 
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Chiropteran may I ask, are you a student and if so, what do you study? If not, what level of education have you achieved?
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In another thread he said he hasn't graduated from high school yet
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"Yet"? I'm guessing he never will at this rate.
 
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Chiropteran may I ask, are you a student and if so, what do you study? If not, what level of education have you achieved?
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In another thread he said he hasn't graduated from high school yet
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That was a joke.

But really, it's more entertaining to let people assume the worst, so I am not going to answer beyond that.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Chiropteran may I ask, are you a student and if so, what do you study? If not, what level of education have you achieved?
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In another thread he said he hasn't graduated from high school yet
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That was a joke.

But really, it's more entertaining to let people assume the worst, so I am not going to answer beyond that.
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Riiiiiight, you're not going to answer for your own entertainment. It's not embarrassment, right? Regardless, your level of education isn't relevant as you've proven to be very, very stupid and unwilling to admit that you're wrong.

Edit - by the way, I didn't graduate high school either. But I'm still smarter than you.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Chiropteran may I ask, are you a student and if so, what do you study? If not, what level of education have you achieved?
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In another thread he said he hasn't graduated from high school yet
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That was a joke.

But really, it's more entertaining to let people assume the worst, so I am not going to answer beyond that.
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We don't need to assume anything. You provide plenty of evidence in your posts. You're either trolling intentionally, else...

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: Mo0o


It's necessary because you're a huge moron that refuses to listen to reason.
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Why would I lower myself to your level?
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No, I'm thinking "huge moron" might be a slight improvement. Thus, it would involve no lowering yourself at all.
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I'm still smarter than you.
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If you truly think you can tell how smart a person is based on some posts on a forum, then you aren't very smart.

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
1. You have a jar with 20 coins in it, one of which has heads on both sides.
2. You randomly chose a coin from the jar.
3. You flipped the chosen coin four times and got heads each time.

Your issue is clearly with (3), saying this does not happen every time you do (2) in real life. This might be true, but is 100% irrelevant. For the sake of the problem, you are supposed to assume that (3) occurred as described, not that it's something you can reenact personally every time you choose a coin. Nothing even remotely implies that. It's just one possible scenario and that's all you need to consider to come up with an answer.

Don't you understand what hypothetical means? You're asked to accept some assumptions.
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I explained way back on the second page how changing one word could make the question perfectly acceptable, there is no needed to keep going over the same thing over and over.

The puzzle needs to either admit that the selection is *not* random (it's biased towards being more likely to pick the trick coin), or clarify that random selections are repeatedly made *until* a coin is picked which flips heads 4 times in a row. It's a simple enough change, I don't know why anyone would find it unacceptable. Although, it would make the correct answer more obvious.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I'm still smarter than you.
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If you truly think you can tell how smart a person is based on some posts on a forum, then you aren't very smart.

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
1. You have a jar with 20 coins in it, one of which has heads on both sides.
2. You randomly chose a coin from the jar.
3. You flipped the chosen coin four times and got heads each time.

Your issue is clearly with (3), saying this does not happen every time you do (2) in real life. This might be true, but is 100% irrelevant. For the sake of the problem, you are supposed to assume that (3) occurred as described, not that it's something you can reenact personally every time you choose a coin. Nothing even remotely implies that. It's just one possible scenario and that's all you need to consider to come up with an answer.

Don't you understand what hypothetical means? You're asked to accept some assumptions.
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I explained way back on the second page how changing one word could make the question perfectly acceptable, there is no needed to keep going over the same thing over and over.

The puzzle needs to either admit that the selection is *not* random (it's biased towards being more likely to pick the trick coin), or clarify that random selections are repeatedly made *until* a coin is picked which flips heads 4 times in a row. It's a simple enough change, I don't know why anyone would find it unacceptable. Although, it would make the correct answer more obvious.
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LOL because it doesnt need to be. The test doesnt say anything about what came before because its unnecessary. It's asking you to assume a hypothetical situation in which an unlikely series of events has already occured and to calculate the probability of the next event. How unlikely those previous events were is not important at all. You are to assume it happened and continue on with the problem.

You should just assume the guy picking and flipping the coin was uber lucky and flipped 4 heads. There's no rule that says it's impossible to do it on the first try so him achieving on the 1st try is within the realm of possibility.
 
Originally posted by: Mo0o
LOL because it doesnt need to be. The test doesnt say anything about what came before because its unnecessary. It's asking you to assume a hypothetical situation in which an unlikely series of events has already occured and to calculate the probability of the next event. How unlikely those previous events were is not important at all. You are to assume it happened and continue on with the problem.
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You know, that is actually the best answer I have seen.

The only reason I didn't see it like that is, yet again, because of the wording of the OP.

Instead of
You pick a random coin from the jar and flip it 4 times, and each time it comes up heads.
it should be
You picked a coin from the jar and flipped it 4 times, and each time it came up heads.

Why use the word random when it's neither needed nor accurate?
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: Mo0o
LOL because it doesnt need to be. The test doesnt say anything about what came before because its unnecessary. It's asking you to assume a hypothetical situation in which an unlikely series of events has already occured and to calculate the probability of the next event. How unlikely those previous events were is not important at all. You are to assume it happened and continue on with the problem.
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You know, that is actually the best answer I have seen.

The only reason I didn't see it like that is, yet again, because of the wording of the OP.

Instead of
You pick a random coin from the jar and flip it 4 times, and each time it comes up heads.
it should be
You picked a coin from the jar and flipped it 4 times, and each time it came up heads.

Why use the word random when it's neither needed nor accurate?
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I'm not sure why you're getting hung up on that word. It is accurate because it implies you're not selecting a coin. The "random" aspect is there to make it clear the picker has not applied any kind of criteria into the selection of the coin
 
Q: A farmer builds a fence that encloses a field with width = 10 feet and length = 30 feet. What is the area inside the fence?
Chiropteran: WHAT IF THE FARMER BECAME A SPACE MAN AND FLEW TO THE MOON AND HAS NO YARD SO THE FENCE DOESN'T EXIST? THIS QUESTION IS MEANINGLESS.
 
Originally posted by: Mo0o
I'm not sure why you're getting hung up on that word. It is accurate because it implies you're not selecting a coin. The "random" aspect is there to make it clear the picker has not applied any kind of criteria into the selection of the coin
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That isn't true at all though. The picker has a much higher chance of picking the trick coin than any of the real coins. Usually in these sort of puzzles random implies equal chance for any of the possible results.
 
Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
Q: A farmer builds a fence that encloses a field with width = 10 feet and length = 30 feet. What is the area inside the fence?
Chiropteran: WHAT IF THE FARMER BECAME A SPACE MAN AND FLEW TO THE MOON AND HAS NO YARD SO THE FENCE DOESN'T EXIST? THIS QUESTION IS MEANINGLESS.
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This reminds me of a math joke:

A farmer approaches an engineer and a mathematician an challenges them to build him a fence to keep in his sheep using the least amount of supplies. The engineer does the research on optimum sheep living area, average size of sheep, etc etc and builds a solid corral that comfortably houses the farmer's sheep. The mathematician builds a fence around himself and says "I define myself as the outside."

 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: Mo0o
I'm not sure why you're getting hung up on that word. It is accurate because it implies you're not selecting a coin. The "random" aspect is there to make it clear the picker has not applied any kind of criteria into the selection of the coin
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That isn't true at all though. The picker has a much higher chance of picking the trick coin than any of the real coins. Usually in these sort of puzzles random implies equal chance for any of the possible results.
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You had better give a good explanation of this one or you're getting a big WTF?

Each coin has a 1/20 chance of being picked for the experiment, period, so you have a 5% chance of picking the trick coin vs 95% chance of picking a regular coin.
 
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