Putin says Russia provided Iraq intelligence

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53096-2004Jun18.html

Russian President Vladimir Putin said yesterday that his intelligence service had warned the Bush administration before the U.S. invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein's government was planning attacks against U.S. targets both inside and outside the country.

Putin, who opposed Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, did not go into detail about the information that was forwarded, and said Russia had no evidence that Hussein was involved in any attacks.

Sounds like Cheney's coached and prodded Putin rather well.

Conjur, would you care to provide one shred of eveidance that proves Putin is lying?

I don't believe he is. I also don't believe that Hussien would have carried out any of these attacks, especially after seeing what happened to the Taliban just for harboring Al Qaeda.

 

[Caminetto]

The question remains "Do we go to war against any counrty where third party intelligence information, or even our own, suggests that officials within that country are involved in planning terrorist attacks"?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
The question remains "Do we go to war against any counrty where third party intelligence information, or even our own, suggests that officials within that country are involved in planning terrorist attacks"?

Red, that should make everyone feel safe, you don't think he would do what he was planning.

Caminetto, based solely on that one report, no. Based on Iraqs history for the last 10 years and all of the other reasons, yes.

 

[dahunan]

I am still curious as to WHY we did not hear about this 18 months ago..

WHY didn't Dubya and Colin tell us that Russia has sent us "evidence" that Hussein was plotting terrorists attacks against America??

WHY NOW and not then??? Doesn't that make anyone suspicious?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Caminetto
The question remains "Do we go to war against any counrty where third party intelligence information, or even our own, suggests that officials within that country are involved in planning terrorist attacks"?

Red, that should make everyone feel safe, you don't think he would do what he was planning.

Caminetto, based solely on that one report, no. Based on Iraqs history for the last 10 years and all of the other reasons, yes.

Was he plqnning or just exploring the possibilites? You think China to this day doesn't plan attacks against us via ICBM's? Should we attack them? How about Russia?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53096-2004Jun18.html

Russian President Vladimir Putin said yesterday that his intelligence service had warned the Bush administration before the U.S. invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein's government was planning attacks against U.S. targets both inside and outside the country.

Putin, who opposed Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, did not go into detail about the information that was forwarded, and said Russia had no evidence that Hussein was involved in any attacks.

Sounds like Cheney's coached and prodded Putin rather well.

Conjur, would you care to provide one shred of eveidance that proves Putin is lying?

Putin, who opposed Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, did not go into detail about the information that was forwarded, and said Russia had no evidence that Hussein was involved in any attacks.

If they had no evidence, why were they warning the U.S.? This sounds like something Cheney prodded Putin to say as it's right in-line with Cheney's own statements that, to paraphrase, amount to: "We know Saddam and Al Qaeda had relationships but we have no evidence to prove it."

Ok, how can you know something but yet have no evidence for it?

Sounds just like the known WMD stockpiles and locations that proved to be false.

Putin's getting something in return for those remarks.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I am still curious as to WHY we did not hear about this 18 months ago..

WHY didn't Dubya and Colin tell us that Russia has sent us "evidence" that Hussein was plotting terrorists attacks against America??

WHY NOW and not then??? Doesn't that make anyone suspicious?

Deserved or not, it definitely raises an eyebrow.

Oh to be a fly on the wall when world decisions are actually made. There's just got to be so much we have no clue about.

 

[Dari]

Politics is so exhausting. Everyone here needs a vacation.

 

[Gaard]

Wasn't Russia one of the few who didn't agree that Iraq had WMD? I'm guessing that there was more than a few who called Russia unreliable, yet now consider them a beacon of truth.

 

[Harvey]

Looking for links, but I heard several news reports about this, last night, that included statements that the State Department denies ever receiving any such info from Putin or any other Russian official.

 

[conjur]

You'd think we'd have had more respect for the Russian embassy in Baghdad were that the case:

http://www.cdi.org/russia/265-16.cfm

 

[conjur]

Hmmm...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,53065,00.html

? Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/afp091601.html

Russia Gave 'Clear Warning'

Agence France-Presse
September 16, 2001


MOSCOW -- The Russian intelligence service had warned Washington several times in the past of the possibility of terrorist strikes on U.S. soil, the head of the service, Nikolai Patrushev, said yesterday.

"We had clearly warned them," said Mr. Patrushev, who is head of the FSB, the successor organization to the KGB.

He added that their U.S. counterparts "did not pay the necessary attention" to their warnings, the Interfax news agency reported.

Washington has named Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden, currently living in Afghanistan as a "guest" of the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban regime, as the No. 1 suspect thought to be behind Tuesday's carnage in New York and Washington.

Mr. Patrushev said the FSB knew exactly where bin Laden was until Tuesday, but he had since left his base.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, a former KGB agent who is currently in Armenia, said yesterday of the terror attacks: "Evil must be punished."

Perhaps that's what Putin was referring to. Russia had warned the U.S. of impending Al Qaeda attacks but the Bush administration ignored them.


More:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/izvestia_story_pic.html

[Ed. Note: May 31, 2002 - After commissioning a professional translation of a Russian news story used as a source in FTW reportage, we discovered the word "suicide" was not contained in warnings to the Bush Administration from Russian intelligence. Although the word "suicide" was not in the story by Izvestia, the fact remains 25 pilots training for hijack missions and attacks in the U.S. could have meant nothing other than suicide missions.]


Here is the English translation of the Izvestia Story, the original Russian story is below it.

September 12, 2001 (14:15) Yesterday at the headquarters of Central Intelligence Service in Langley a confidential meeting between one of the Deputy Directors of CIA and a special messenger of Russian Intelligence Service took place. According to NewsRu sources he delivered to his American colleagues some documents including audio tapes with telephone conversations directly relating to terrorist attacks on Washington and New York last Tuesday. According to these sources, Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.

Russian Intelligent Service states that behind the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York stand the organization of Usama ben Laden, Islamic movement of Uzbekistan and Taliban government. According to our intelligence agents among terrorists there were at least two Uzbeks, natives of Fergana who arrived in the USA on forged documents about ten months ago. A terrorist group which realized actions against the USA consisted of at least 25 people. All of them had a special training on the territories of Afghanistan and Pakistan including piloting of an aircraft.

Besides, Russian Intelligence Service warns White House that present terrorist attacks are only the beginning of the wide-scale action. Ben Laden has the plans to attack nuclear units on the territory of the USA. Among Islamic targets are space objects and large financial centers of the USA.

The organization of the International Terrorist, according to Russian Intelligence Service agents had been planning an operation against the USA more than a year and a half. Russian Intelligence Service insists that Usama ben Laden has about 400 fanatics who are ready any minute to realize attacks against the USA all around the world.


[NOTE: The scan of the Izvestia story presented below is of the story that was originally presented by Izvestia. The story that they currently have on their website has ommitted the first paragraph completely. We wonder why...]

But one for the conspiracy theorists:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

 

[etech]

Conjur,

The quote from the article is.

ASTANA, Kazakhstan - Russia gave the Bush administration intelligence after the September 11 attacks that suggested Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq was preparing attacks in the United States, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
...
"After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services, the intelligence service, received information that officials from Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests," Putin said.



There is nothing about Al Queada in that quote.

 

[conjur]

Hmm...interesting it never came up in any press conference or testimony.

Seems like the Bush administration would be trying to flout any semblence of justification for war on Iraq at this point. Or, perhaps they were afraid of people remembering how the Bush administration botched the process of acting on received intelligence pre-9/11.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...interesting it never came up in any press conference or testimony.

Seems like the Bush administration would be trying to flout any semblence of justification for war on Iraq at this point. Or, perhaps they were afraid of people remembering how the Bush administration botched the process of acting on received intellingence pre-9/11.

It was in the link in the very first post of this thread.

You're so very good at the perhaps, let me try one,perhaps you didn't bother to read the story you are trying so hard to debunk.

 

[conjur]

Oh, I read it. I'm just wondering if Putin is either confused or was prodded by Cheney somehow.

What remains a curious fact, though, is this supposed information was never before shared or made public. Interesting....

 

[etech]

Sure Conjur, you read the article and than went to all the trouble to try and discredit it based on something it didn't say.

I'll post it again, try to remember it this time

The quote from the article is.

ASTANA, Kazakhstan - Russia gave the Bush administration intelligence after the September 11 attacks that suggested Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq was preparing attacks in the United States, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
...

"After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services, the intelligence service, received information that officials from Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests," Putin said.

It's amazing to me how you would rather believe some anoyomous source rather than Putin. Your little assumptions are amusing though. I can't wait to see what you come up with next.

 

[conjur]

You might want to check the thread and see my first post in it.

I do hope you like the taste of your foot.


BTW, it still holds that it's very interesting this piece of information NEVER came up before in any press conference as a basis for Bush going to war. If you have one, please do share.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...interesting it never came up in any press conference or testimony.

Seems like the Bush administration would be trying to flout any semblence of justification for war on Iraq at this point. Or, perhaps they were afraid of people remembering how the Bush administration botched the process of acting on received intellingence pre-9/11.

It was in the link in the very first post of this thread.

You're so very good at the perhaps, let me try one,perhaps you didn't bother to read the story you are trying so hard to debunk.

When was the story in the link on the first page printed? What date?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...interesting it never came up in any press conference or testimony.

Seems like the Bush administration would be trying to flout any semblence of justification for war on Iraq at this point. Or, perhaps they were afraid of people remembering how the Bush administration botched the process of acting on received intellingence pre-9/11.

It was in the link in the very first post of this thread.

You're so very good at the perhaps, let me try one,perhaps you didn't bother to read the story you are trying so hard to debunk.

When was the story in the link on the first page printed? What date?

Fri Jun 18, 8:26 AM ET as you could have found out very easily for yourself. Cojur's post where he not only stuck his foot in his mouth but chewed on it by completely ignoring the Putin quotes was posted 06/19/2004 02:20 PM.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur
You might want to check the thread and see my first post in it.

I do hope you like the taste of your foot.


BTW, it still holds that it's very interesting this piece of information NEVER came up before in any press conference as a basis for Bush going to war. If you have one, please do share.

Yoo hoo....etech? Where'd ya go? Oh, busy tasting your foot, I suppose.

 

[etech]

I see the post Conjur.

You managed to post that and then post that BS. I'd be ashamed if I were you. Such misleading BS when you knew that Putin hadn't said anything at all like what you were trying to imply.

If I were you I wouldn't have pointed out that little fact, it's too embarassing, .... for you.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...interesting it never came up in any press conference or testimony.

Seems like the Bush administration would be trying to flout any semblence of justification for war on Iraq at this point. Or, perhaps they were afraid of people remembering how the Bush administration botched the process of acting on received intellingence pre-9/11.

It was in the link in the very first post of this thread.

You're so very good at the perhaps, let me try one,perhaps you didn't bother to read the story you are trying so hard to debunk.

When was the story in the link on the first page printed? What date?

Fri Jun 18, 8:26 AM ET as you could have found out very easily for yourself. Cojur's post where he not only stuck his foot in his mouth but chewed on it by completely ignoring the Putin quotes was posted 06/19/2004 02:20 PM.

Maybe I am missing something (and I apologize if I am) but what article do we have that was printed before the Iraq war that shows Putin told Bush that Saddam was ready to strike in the US?

 

[conjur]

Still waiting on your link showing a prior press conference where the Bush administration was touting the Russian intelligence as part of its justification for invading Iraq.


And, if you don't realize my 2nd post was tongue-in-cheek and a poke at Cheney, then, well, I can't help you.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: conjur
Still waiting on your link showing a prior press conference where the Bush administration was touting the Russian intelligence as part of its justification for invading Iraq.


And, if you don't realize my 2nd post was tongue-in-cheek and a poke at Cheney, then, well, I can't help you.

I just want to see one from before the invasion that shows where Putin supposedly told Bush that Saddam was ready or had prepared plans to strike inside the US via Terrorists.

I don't even care if it doesn't say Iraq and al-qaeda were working together to attack the US..

1. before war
2. Iraq planning attacks inside US via terrorism.
edit #3 and obviously FROM Russia/Putin (with love for George and his oil buddies)