Putin?s control of oil and gas may bring the West to its knees

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Beware Russia, energy superpower


Putin?s control of oil and gas may bring the West to its knees, says philip delves broughton
In a world concerned with terrorism, genocide and nuclear-powered despots, Vladimir Putin's Russia is assembling an economic machine powerful enough to force Europe, the US and Asia to their knees.

It does not involve uranium, explosives or suicide bombers, but the natural resources that power the global economy. Russia will soon exert such sway over the supply of oil and natural gas that the OPEC crisis of the mid-1970s could seem trivial. Its pipelines will flow east into Asia and west into Europe and tankers will sail from Siberia to California.

Russia will soon have such control over energy supply and pricing that it will be able to do anything it wants politically.

Imagine this scenario. Europe is importing around one-third of its natural gas from Russia. Putin, or his successor, has an argument with the EU over democratic reform in a former Soviet state. Meanwhile, China is hungry for more natural gas. Russia changes the flow of its pipelines, channelling more to China and less to Europe, without any drop in its own revenue. Europe's industrial costs rocket, home heating becomes exorbitant and the EU economy collapses.

It was scarcely noticed during the dog days of August, but Russia has now overtaken Saudi Arabia as the world's largest producer of oil. It already dominates natural gas. Around £210m a day in oil and gas tax revenues now pour into the Russian treasury. Russia is now an oil and gas economy, with 52 per cent of all its state revenues and 35 per cent of its exports coming from the energy industry.

Then there are the two state-controlled energy giants, Gazprom - which this year surpassed BP and Shell to become the second largest energy company in the world after Exxon Mobil - and Rosneft. Both are tightly controlled, though sloppily managed, from the Kremlin.

Piecing together the various elements of

Putin's 'resource nationalism' strategy is the work of oil industry analysts, the modern day Kremlinologists. One of their party pieces is to chart Russia's recent history in terms of oil prices. In 1979, with oil prices at historic highs, the Soviet Union swaggered into Afghanistan. In 1991, with oil prices at record lows, the Soviet empire disintegrated. With oil now in a sustained boom, Russia is once more showing its claws.

The latest plot twists are occurring in the Sakhalin Island oil and natural gas fields. In the mid-1990s, as Russia emerged from the Soviet era and oil was down at $15 a barrel, the exploitation rights to this island off the east coast of Siberia were sold to foreign companies who have since discovered vast, untapped resources. As Asia's economies have exploded, the potential of pipelines running from Siberia into China and beyond has become apparent.

Gazprom, which is already the monopoly supplier of Russian natural gas to Europe, now wants a similar monopoly over exports to Asia. In recent days, Russia has held up fully-loaded Exxon tankers trying to leave Sakhalin Island. It is also attempting to wrest control of Shell's £12bn operations on the island by citing obscure environmental regulations. It has threatened Siberian operations belonging to Total of France and is trying to buy out a large natural gas field jointly operated by BP.

Earlier this year, Putin (left) threatened to shift pipeline capacity from west to east if European companies continued their hostility to Gazprom.

The frosty Putin and the effusive Hugo Chavez of Venezuela may look and sound different, but when it comes to using natural resources for political ends, they are singing variations on the same theme.

While the rulers of the Middle East have required simply that the West turned a blind eye to their domestic habits in return for a steady energy supply, the Russians are likely to demand a far steeper price. The cost of not developing realistic alternatives to oil and gas within a few years will be taking orders from Moscow.
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Well, I can see where this kind of control over the west might be feasible for our brothers across the pond, but surely Putin knows that we have reserves of our own close to home that we can exploit if we need them. Surely he notes the experience we have in controlling the world oil supplies.

I am sure that some will suggest that this view is a little neo-conish, but I am willing to bet that the larger percentage of our population will be willing to turn a blind eye, and would be willing to do about anything, to keep the gas flowing.

Bamacre put up this Map of US military bases in another thread. Probably just random placements.

:shocked:~~~~~Got Oil?~~~~~ :shocked:


 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
I hear Russia has WMD's, too.

If we went there and didn't find any, it might improve Ron Pauls chance of winning by 1 or 2 %.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: bamacre
I hear Russia has WMD's, too.

If we went there and didn't find any, it might improve Ron Pauls chance of winning by 1 or 2 %.


Well considering that active military gives more money to Paul, and considering how many troops would be sent there, I'd say you are wrong. ;)

But let's not make this YARPT. ;)
 

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Isn't it ironic that we have poor relationships with many of the countries that have lots of oil

And the chance of military action is zero.. only a fool would attack Russia. Well, that said, maybe there is a chance of military action :p
 

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Isn't it ironic that we have poor relationships with many of the countries that have lots of oil

And the chance of military action is zero.. only a fool would attack Russia. Well, that said, maybe there is a chance of military action :p

We'd have a shitty relationship with every country in the world if all of them had something to dangle under our noses, at least if our behavior were the same as it is right now. As it stands they're all dependent on relations with us and will therefore pander. It's good to be king.
 

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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: spittledip
Isn't it ironic that we have poor relationships with many of the countries that have lots of oil

And the chance of military action is zero.. only a fool would attack Russia. Well, that said, maybe there is a chance of military action :p

We'd have a shitty relationship with every country in the world if all of them had something to dangle under our noses, at least if our behavior were the same as it is right now. As it stands they're all dependent on relations with us and will therefore pander. It's good to be king.

The US wont be king forever. China will become top dog by the end of this century. Centuries of western dominance is nearly at an end I fear.
 

Siddhartha

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I am not worried about energy shortages. The US has huge reserves of energy in the form of coal.

Yes it is cheaper now to produced goods in China and source IT skilled labor in India. But in a pinched these goods can be sourced here in the US.
 

Colt45

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Russia does have a tremendous amount of resources, and Putin is hard enough to use them as a tool, but bringing the west to it's knees is a bit of a stretch. Strongly influence, perhaps.

 

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Russia also needs the Western technology and resources to assist in propping up his country.

Communism only works when there is a strong government that can supply the needs of the people.
Russia can not feed its people.

So you have a trade of oil for food/technology in one way or another
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Russia also needs the Western technology and resources to assist in propping up his country.

Communism only works when there is a strong government that can supply the needs of the people.
Russia can not feed its people.

So you have a trade of oil for food/technology in one way or another

What I see is Russia engendering energy dependence of Europe to get high tech weapons.
Russia fears the re-arming of China with the new Chinese tech savvy. So it plans on obtaining European weapon systems.

 

shiner

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So they have oil....what are they gonna eat if we stop sending them wheat and etc???
 

techs

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
So they have oil....what are they gonna eat if we stop sending them wheat and etc???
If you have oil you have all the wheat you need.

 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Russia also needs the Western technology and resources to assist in propping up his country.

Communism only works when there is a strong government that can supply the needs of the people.
Russia can not feed its people.

So you have a trade of oil for food/technology in one way or another

What I see is Russia engendering energy dependence of Europe to get high tech weapons.
Russia fears the re-arming of China with the new Chinese tech savvy. So it plans on obtaining European weapon systems.

You guys are both wrong. Russia is not a communist country anymore, and it's the one that is arming the Chinese to make a few bucks. It has as good or better weapons systems as the Europeans, and defense industry that is more than capable of creating even better ones with the right funding.
 

senseamp

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I think as far as energy is concerned, the turning point was the treatment it got after Ukraine started stealing gas and the rest of Europe bashed Russia for shutting it off.
Europeans complained that Russia wasn't a reliable energy supplier, but what they forgot is that in Russian eyes that made Europe an unreliable energy importer that would condone theft of Russia's exports for its own political reasons. That is why they are diversifying their pipelines to go to China and the east, after resisting doing so for many years. The Chinese will take all the supply they can get their hands on, no questions asked, so then Europe will not have that leverage on Russia, and Russia will no longer be forced to subsidize transit countries just to sell gas to Europe.
 

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Russia also needs the Western technology and resources to assist in propping up his country.

Communism only works when there is a strong government that can supply the needs of the people.
Russia can not feed its people.

So you have a trade of oil for food/technology in one way or another

What I see is Russia engendering energy dependence of Europe to get high tech weapons.
Russia fears the re-arming of China with the new Chinese tech savvy. So it plans on obtaining European weapon systems.

You guys are both wrong. Russia is not a communist country anymore, and it's the one that is arming the Chinese to make a few bucks. It has as good or better weapons systems as the Europeans, and defense industry that is more than capable of creating even better ones with the right funding.

Russia has turned back toward Communism. Putin wants that type of government and many in Russia want/need it also.

The Free Market Economics is not supported by the majority - they became to dependant on the State (cradle to grave) support and need a couple of generations to be able to run on their own.

Putin is attempting to stop that progress in its tracks.

 

HomerJS

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In order to get that much influence on the oil/gas markets they have to get their oil/gas in the market first. Doing that should have caused a drastic drop in the price of oil/gas.

Why didn't that happen?
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Russia also needs the Western technology and resources to assist in propping up his country.

Communism only works when there is a strong government that can supply the needs of the people.
Russia can not feed its people.

So you have a trade of oil for food/technology in one way or another

What I see is Russia engendering energy dependence of Europe to get high tech weapons.
Russia fears the re-arming of China with the new Chinese tech savvy. So it plans on obtaining European weapon systems.

You guys are both wrong. Russia is not a communist country anymore, and it's the one that is arming the Chinese to make a few bucks. It has as good or better weapons systems as the Europeans, and defense industry that is more than capable of creating even better ones with the right funding.

Russia has turned back toward Communism. Putin wants that type of government and many in Russia want/need it also.

The Free Market Economics is not supported by the majority - they became to dependant on the State (cradle to grave) support and need a couple of generations to be able to run on their own.

Putin is attempting to stop that progress in its tracks.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Russia has not turned back to Communism. Authoritarianism, yes, communism, no. Russia was an authoritarian country before the Communist revolution too. Free markets are alive and well in Russia, it's democracy that is ailing. Putin is not attempting to stop anything. He is aiming to control progress so it's his guys who benefit most, but he is certainly not attempting to stop it.
 

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We may be arguing over a matter of semantics.

Putin seems to want to take Russia backwards where the government controlled everything.

To me Communism is where the State controls everything for the benefit of the State.
"Authoritarianism" is just a strong leadership of the political system, allowing the economic system to operate on its own.

What I see in Russia is that the government wants to take control of the economic system.

The people want the State to ensure that they will be taken care of no matter what the independent thought/choice may be.
 

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
In order to get that much influence on the oil/gas markets they have to get their oil/gas in the market first. Doing that should have caused a drastic drop in the price of oil/gas.

Why didn't that happen?
Follow the money. It might shock you.
 

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
We may be arguing over a matter of semantics.

Putin seems to want to take Russia backwards where the government controlled everything.

To me Communism is where the State controls everything for the benefit of the State.
"Authoritarianism" is just a strong leadership of the political system, allowing the economic system to operate on its own.

What I see in Russia is that the government wants to take control of the economic system.

The people want the State to ensure that they will be taken care of no matter what the independent thought/choice may be.

He's definitely moving Russia close to fascism.

If Putin did cut off the West from its oil, it would suck for a few years but it wouldn't bring us to our knees. There would be an immensely higher incentive to invest into alternative energy sources due to the much higher cost of oil. Initially you'd see a large flock toward more energy efficient cars.
 
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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Russia also needs the Western technology and resources to assist in propping up his country.

Communism only works when there is a strong government that can supply the needs of the people.
Russia can not feed its people.

So you have a trade of oil for food/technology in one way or another

What I see is Russia engendering energy dependence of Europe to get high tech weapons.
Russia fears the re-arming of China with the new Chinese tech savvy. So it plans on obtaining European weapon systems.

You are joking right? Russia is a major arms EXPORTER. All they need to get high-tech weaponry is $ to develop it at ahome. Why would they want EU crap?
 
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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Russia also needs the Western technology and resources to assist in propping up his country.

Communism only works when there is a strong government that can supply the needs of the people.
Russia can not feed its people.

So you have a trade of oil for food/technology in one way or another

What I see is Russia engendering energy dependence of Europe to get high tech weapons.
Russia fears the re-arming of China with the new Chinese tech savvy. So it plans on obtaining European weapon systems.

You guys are both wrong. Russia is not a communist country anymore, and it's the one that is arming the Chinese to make a few bucks. It has as good or better weapons systems as the Europeans, and defense industry that is more than capable of creating even better ones with the right funding.

Russia has turned back toward Communism. Putin wants that type of government and many in Russia want/need it also.

The Free Market Economics is not supported by the majority - they became to dependant on the State (cradle to grave) support and need a couple of generations to be able to run on their own.

Putin is attempting to stop that progress in its tracks.
You don't even understand what Communism is if you claim that. I know many people in Russia love free market economy. In fact, the only people COMPLAINING are retired people, some of whom are worse of. Definitely not all though.

The reason they like a strongman like Putin and don't mind giving him more power is stability. Nobody wants more republics like Chechnya trying to break away.