Putin Backed Trump

[kage69]

Why do we care who foreign leaders want as POTUS?

Because it can lead to a hand being on the scale? They can have an opinion, but 2016 was about a foreign power taking action. When a country like Russia uses intelligence assets and direction from the top to influence the outcome of American elections, well that destroys executive legitimacy, credibility. We do especially care when some "Americans" welcome Russian involvement in elections more than they do brown and black Americans, who are the ones who have a Constitutional right to vote, not the Russians who have been busy trying to create chaos and division. It's insulting bullshit, the recourse of racist cowards.

Better question: when did conspiring with Russians and launching insurrections suddenly not matter to so many people on the right?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Being honest and this is not a lie. I expected Trump to lose until 12 hours or so before when I read about millions of dollars being spent on a fireworks display at the hotel with a glass ceiling. Poetic and I am sure it would have been epic but I am a sales guy and superstition has value. Don't celebrate a win until you have won.
The moment I read that report I said to myself "Aw fuck nooooo......"

 

[Moonbeam]

I agree that most people, myself among them, didn’t think Trump would win in 2016. Again though, it took the largest electoral college bias in history to eke him over the top in an election he lost badly in terms of votes.

I don’t agree that liberals are amazed by his sway over the Republican base now though. After five+ years of endless stories saying ‘Trump voters still like Trump’ we are all very aware that they still in fact like Trump.

I don’t see conservatives as stupid, they are just people who aren’t particularly interested in reality. They realized they can live in their own fantasy world and decided they liked that better.

He still won because liberals failed to properly message in my opinion. They were blindsided by blindness also in my opinion. And there are a thousand posts here, I think, that express amazement at conservative ability to deny reality. Oh we now recognize better now what I saw long ago, briefly pausing to polish my nails on my chest, but there is still no real recognition as to why. What you blithely write off as disinterest in reality is something that goes much deeper and you will never begin to get them interested in reality unless you understand why. These folk can't face reality because they believe reality says to the they are worthless people, a lie they were forced to believe. I say to you the reason you do not see this is that despite the fact that you are brilliantly logical and intellectually gifted you also do not know what you feel.

 

[MrSquished]

He still won because liberals failed to properly message in my opinion. They were blindsided by blindness also in my opinion. And there are a thousand posts here, I think, that express amazement at conservative ability to deny reality. Oh we now recognize better now what I saw long ago, briefly pausing to polish my nails on my chest, but there is still no real recognition as to why. What you blithely write off as disinterest in reality is something that goes much deeper and you will never begin to get them interested in reality unless you understand why. These folk can't face reality because they believe reality says to the they are worthless people, a lie they were forced to believe. I say to you the reason you do not see this is that despite the fact that you are brilliantly logical and intellectually gifted you also do not know what you feel.

Amen brother. You get it.

The biggest flaw of progressives is to underestimate the sheer ability of the other side to exist outside of reality. It's always like a, well how could anybody believe that nonsense. It's clearly phantasmagorical.

Yeah. It is. And they fucking eat it up. That's the opposition. Learn it. Study it. Fight it.

 

[Vic]

He still won because liberals failed to properly message in my opinion. They were blindsided by blindness also in my opinion. And there are a thousand posts here, I think, that express amazement at conservative ability to deny reality. Oh we now recognize better now what I saw long ago, briefly pausing to polish my nails on my chest, but there is still no real recognition as to why. What you blithely write off as disinterest in reality is something that goes much deeper and you will never begin to get them interested in reality unless you understand why. These folk can't face reality because they believe reality says to the they are worthless people, a lie they were forced to believe. I say to you the reason you do not see this is that despite the fact that you are brilliantly logical and intellectually gifted you also do not know what you feel.

In the Netflix series Ugly Delicious by David Chang is a sequence describing how South Vietnamese refugees in the late 70s were brought to the Gulf coast, where the govt bought them fishing boats and put them in the fishing business, and the economic impact that had on the native fishermen. And in a video from that time, a native fisherman says, I'll tell you what I did about it, I called the Klan!
That same grievance, almost 40 years later and on a much larger scale, is the reason why Trump won.

 

[cytg111]

To fuck us up. They played both sides to split the country.

define played both sides.

 

[cytg111]

He still won because liberals failed to properly message in my opinion. They were blindsided by blindness also in my opinion. And there are a thousand posts here, I think, that express amazement at conservative ability to deny reality. Oh we now recognize better now what I saw long ago, briefly pausing to polish my nails on my chest, but there is still no real recognition as to why. What you blithely write off as disinterest in reality is something that goes much deeper and you will never begin to get them interested in reality unless you understand why. These folk can't face reality because they believe reality says to the they are worthless people, a lie they were forced to believe. I say to you the reason you do not see this is that despite the fact that you are brilliantly logical and intellectually gifted you also do not know what you feel.

Im sorry, but this is about as useful as recognizing that someone probably beat this dog with a stick and that is why its currently chewing my leg off.
Different sets of reality. Check.
We know what caused this. Sure. The inner working of the psychological construct of the individual is something of low self esteem, lifetime of punishment and a low sense of self worth. Check.
We know the profiles that fall prey to Scientology. Manson. Moon. All the cults.
News networks funded by crazy billionaire conservative forces
1 engineered the pain in these individuals to be susceptible and
2 exploited point 1 to create an army of Z’s

I think the why and how is quite well understood.

Understanding the stick will not slay the dragon right now… the next one in 20 years maybe, ok, if you live that long.

Good luck.

 

[Moonbeam]

Im sorry, but this is about as useful as recognizing that someone probably beat this dog with a stick and that is why its currently chewing my leg off.
Different sets of reality. Check.
We know what caused this. Sure. The inner working of the psychological construct of the individual is something of low self esteem, lifetime of punishment and a low sense of self worth. Check.
We know the profiles that fall prey to Scientology. Manson. Moon. All the cults.
News networks funded by crazy billionaire conservative forces
1 engineered the pain in these individuals to be susceptible and
2 exploited point 1 to create an army of Z’s

I think the why and how is quite well understood.

Understanding the stick will not slay the dragon right now… the next one in 20 years maybe, ok, if you live that long.

Good luck.

Something is as useful as it is put into practice. You are looking at the problem in the abstract, understand something as the inner workings of a psychological construct. But the problem is you. You are trapped in a dynamic from which the only escape is personal. Only you can free yourself from self hate and the world will turn inside out and upside down when you do. The dragon is your own ego and not the ego of someone else. The work is to not to fix the world but to fix yourself. You don't have to fix yourself to know who the enemy is, and knowing that changes the way you see the issue.

 

[cytg111]

Something is as useful as it is put into practice. You are looking at the problem in the abstract, understand something as the inner workings of a psychological construct. But the problem is you. You are trapped in a dynamic from which the only escape is personal. Only you can free yourself from self hate and the world will turn inside out and upside down when you do. The dragon is your own ego and not the ego of someone else. The work is to not to fix the world but to fix yourself. You don't have to fix yourself to know who the enemy is, and knowing that changes the way you see the issue.

That is your postulate, and Im still telling you, Newtons 3rd dont give a crap about that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why do we care who foreign leaders want as POTUS?

When they can so easily influence our elections and people, seems relevant.

 

[pmv]

Can I make an observation? You seem to think it important to repeatedly bring up the fact that you predicted a Trump win back in 2016. Why? I can't see the relevance of the fact that you in particular made this prediction.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say your ego is involved. You're the one who keeps telling people they need to jettison the ego, which is a false image of self, in order to get in touch with one's true being. Maybe you should take your own advice.

I don't blame Moonbeam for wanting to point out that he was right about that.

(It was a big deal that a lot of supposedly informed people got wrong...I recall being completely uncertain, myself, wavering back and forth between "he's _such_ a ridiculous candidate that surely the Republicans picking him is a good thing for the Democrats?" and "Oh God, what if he wins?". I mean, from an outside-perspective, the US has repeatedly elected Presidents the rest of the world find ridiculous - including Reagan). I'd probably do the same in his situation. What I roll my eyes at is the bit where he kids himself he's less-ego-driven than the rest of us flawed mortals.

 

[Muse]

I think Trump's rejection by New York society (way before he developed any political ambitions) says a lot about his life trajectory. That's only gotten worse. New Yorkers voted overwhelmingly against him in the presidential elections, I heard well over 80% against. He's basically persona non grata in his home town. This is poison to him and he'll never get over it.

 

[Pohemi]

I think Trump's rejection by New York society (way before he developed any political ambitions) says a lot about his life trajectory. That's only gotten worse. New Yorkers voted overwhelmingly against him in the presidential elections, I heard over 80 against. He's basically persona non grata in his home town. This is poison to him and he'll never get over it.

That's why he left and is now calling Floriduh his 'official' residence. I think he's known for years now that NY, at least NYC, didn't want his slimy orange ass around anymore. They have enough giant rats on the streets already.

 

[dank69]

Because it can lead to a hand being on the scale? They can have an opinion, but 2016 was about a foreign power taking action. When a country like Russia uses intelligence assets and direction from the top to influence the outcome of American elections, well that destroys executive legitimacy, credibility. We do especially care when some "Americans" welcome Russian involvement in elections more than they do brown and black Americans, who are the ones who have a Constitutional right to vote, not the Russians who have been busy trying to create chaos and division. It's insulting bullshit, the recourse of racist cowards.

Better question: when did conspiring with Russians and launching insurrections suddenly not matter to so many people on the right?

And because it can be a pretty clear indicator that the candidate they favor, specifically because they think the candidate will weaken America, will in fact weaken America.

 

[cytg111]

I don't blame Moonbeam for wanting to point out that he was right about that.

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Yep… from a Scandinavian point of view it was unthinkable… But he was(and is) still drumming up support here too.
But our collective jaws hit the pavement that day thats for sure… Crash course in American sociological workings for everybody.
I dont think you guys get how much US politics effects the rest of the world… NATO no NATO NATO no NATO… Rocket men and clean coal russia bad good china trade …7 billion people holding their breaths.

 

[hal2kilo]

I don't blame Moonbeam for wanting to point out that he was right about that.

(It was a big deal that a lot of supposedly informed people got wrong...I recall being completely uncertain, myself, wavering back and forth between "he's _such_ a ridiculous candidate that surely the Republicans picking him is a good thing for the Democrats?" and "Oh God, what if he wins?". I mean, from an outside-perspective, the US has repeatedly elected Presidents the rest of the world find ridiculous - including Reagan). I'd probably do the same in his situation. What I roll my eyes at is the bit where he kids himself he's less-ego-driven than the rest of us flawed mortals.

Well, it didn't help that as I remember, 1 that Hillary just had to have her turn. Ignoring all the conservative propaganda piled on her for years, I still think she was a corporate shill. I and I'm sure many Dems voted for her purely as a vote against Trump, holding our noses. That was not a winning formula.

 

[dank69]

Well, it didn't help that as I remember, 1 that Hillary just had to have her turn. Ignoring all the conservative propaganda piled on her for years, I still think she was a corporate shill. I and I'm sure many Dems voted for her purely as a vote against Trump, holding our noses. That was not a winning formula.

She spent almost all of her professional career in public service, but okay.

 

[woolfe9998]

I don't blame Moonbeam for wanting to point out that he was right about that.

(It was a big deal that a lot of supposedly informed people got wrong...I recall being completely uncertain, myself, wavering back and forth between "he's _such_ a ridiculous candidate that surely the Republicans picking him is a good thing for the Democrats?" and "Oh God, what if he wins?". I mean, from an outside-perspective, the US has repeatedly elected Presidents the rest of the world find ridiculous - including Reagan). I'd probably do the same in his situation. What I roll my eyes at is the bit where he kids himself he's less-ego-driven than the rest of us flawed mortals.

My point was that he's "pointed it out" many, many times, not just once. And that he also likes to talk about the death of the ego. Seems contradictory to me but YMMV.

 

[pmv]

My point was that he's "pointed it out" many, many times, not just once. And that he also likes to talk about the death of the ego. Seems contradictory to me but YMMV.

I'm not denying it's contradictory, just saying that it's the second part that makes me sigh wearily, rather than the first.

Anyway, the bigger issue to me is that for a long time now each successive Republican President has seemed more implausible as a candidate than the one before. And yet that doesn't seem to stop them winning. I can clearly remember the eye-rolling caused by Reagan's candidacy...but then it just got progressively worse.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm not denying it's contradictory, just saying that it's the second part that makes me sigh wearily, rather than the first.

Anyway, the bigger issue to me is that for a long time now each successive Republican President has seemed more implausible as a candidate than the one before. And yet that doesn't seem to stop them winning. I can clearly remember the eye-rolling caused by Reagan's candidacy...but then it just got progressively worse.

Yes, they've gotten worse, because the conservative base has gotten worse. They've gotten more hateful towards the left, more anti-intellectual, more anti-science, more anti facts. Most of this has to do with the rise of conservative media since the 1980's.

 

[Muse]

That's why he left and is now calling Floriduh his 'official' residence. I think he's known for years now that NY, at least NYC, didn't want his slimy orange ass around anymore. They have enough giant rats on the streets already.

And he'll never get over that slight, which isn't slight at all, it's eating at him constantly. His resentment has solidified to a red hot stone at his core. The man still has a pulse but he's a goner.

 

[Muse]

Well, it didn't help that as I remember, 1 that Hillary just had to have her turn. Ignoring all the conservative propaganda piled on her for years, I still think she was a corporate shill. I and I'm sure many Dems voted for her purely as a vote against Trump, holding our noses. That was not a winning formula.

I think you drank the GOP Kool-aid on Hillary. Propaganda is rampant and rife. Benghazi and private email server is basically all they had on her and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. But that's the Republican way for many decades now. Responsibility and accountability are absent in their ranks. It's around THEM you have to hold your nose, my friend.

 

[cytg111]

Why do we care who foreign leaders want as POTUS?

*BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP A CAPITALISTIC GOD*

That means EVERYTHING is for sale.
At this point you DO understand what Putin bought right? With US dollars. Right?
You get it, right? Fuck I hope you get it.

 

[kage69]

Yep. Everything's for sale, and someone went shopping.

 

[kage69]

wrong thread sry! lol