Putin assails U.S. for unilateral line

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Putin assails U.S. for unilateral line

Russian protests asylum given Chechens

Saturday, December 04, 2004
BY DOUGLAS BUSVINE
REUTERS

NEW DELHI -- Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the United States yesterday of pursuing a dictatorial foreign policy and said mounting violence could derail progress toward bringing peace and democracy to Iraq.

Putin also criticized the West for setting double standards on terrorism, pursuing Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan and Iraq while giving refuge to "terrorists" demanding Chechnya's independence from Russia.

The Kremlin leader's tough remarks came on a visit to former Cold War ally India, where he and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh issued a joint call for greater cooperation in stabilizing and rebuilding Iraq.

Unilateralism increases risks that weapons of mass destruction might fall into the hands of terrorists, and would stoke regional conflicts, Putin said in a hard-hitting speech to an invited audience.

"Even if dictatorship is packaged in beautiful pseudo-democratic phraseology, it will not be able to solve systemic problems," Putin said. "It may even make them worse."

Putin did not name the United States, but clearly had the Bush administration in mind when he said policies "based on the barrack-room principles of a unipolar world appear to be extremely dangerous."

Russia was a vocal opponent of the U.S.-led war to oust Saddam Hussein, but has since joined efforts to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure. Moscow's assent was key to a recent Paris Club deal to write off most of Iraq's foreign debts.

Putin said he was worried by mounting violence and loss of life linked to operations by U.S.-led forces in Iraq, and said these may disrupt plans to hold elections now scheduled for Jan. 30.

Again the Russian leader was not specific, but he appeared to be referring to the U.S. operation to crush insurgents in Fallujah.

"This may put a question mark over holding of fair and democratic elections in Iraq early next year," he said.

Putin's speech echoed comments he made earlier to an Indian newspaper in which he said the war had turned Iraq into a breeding ground for terrorists.

"As had been the case with Afghanistan, Iraq turned into a major hotbed of a terrorist threat, a firing ground and incubator for militants," he told the Hindu newspaper.

He also attacked Britain for giving asylum to Akhmed Zakayev and the United States for giving refuge to Ilyas Akhmadov, spokesmen for Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov.

"Providing safe haven and support to terrorists, their accomplices and sponsors actually serves as a justification and, indeed, an encouragement of their crimes," Putin said.

Both men deny being terrorists. Maskhadov, regarded in the West as a moderate, led Chechnya to brief de facto independence during the 1990s before Putin ordered Russian troops to retake the turbulent North Caucasus republic.

Putin, who backed India's bid for a United Nations Security Council seat, said he had found in India a strong ally against terrorism.

"Terrorists benefit from the conflict of civilizations and religions," he told the hand-picked New Delhi audience. "Let it be known that our multi-confessional and multi-ethnic states will not be broken up."

 

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I trust Putin as much as I trust the Dub or Cheney which isn't much at all. In fact I would trust them all a lot more if they had to face justice for the crimes against humanity.
 

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Putin also criticized the West for setting double standards on terrorism, pursuing Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan and Iraq while giving refuge to "terrorists" demanding Chechnya's independence from Russia.
this says so much about the whole war on "terrorism" in so many ways
 

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what is with putin? One day he praises Bush, the next day he lambastes him. If i didn't know better, I'd think he has split personalities. Oh, and it's a little hypocritical to call the USA dictatorial when he wants to turn the Russian presidency into a dictatorship again himself.
 

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Maybe it was a shot at the US due to their position over the Ukraine elections.

haha, he shouldnt be saying anything about that, first he says the west shouldnt interfeer with the electeions while the ukranian presidents goes to visit putin to seek advice on how to handle the situation
 

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Maybe it was a shot at the US due to their position over the Ukraine elections.

haha, he shouldnt be saying anything about that, first he says the west shouldnt interfeer with the electeions while the ukranian presidents goes to visit putin to seek advice on how to handle the situation

umm from what u said, it doesnt seem like Putin is interfering with the elctions because the Ukranian president is going and asking for advice with his own will and wish..
 

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Maybe it was a shot at the US due to their position over the Ukraine elections.


Putin has a history of going off on these Tirades

They rarely have any teeth, though.
 

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Originally posted by: drewshin
why is the u.s. harboring the chechen terrorists?

As I've tried to explain to our neocon members, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. Blowing up kids in Russia obviously doesn't qualify as terrorism to Bush and Blair. Killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians doesn't qualify either. Terrorism only counts when it fits the narrow parameters of the Bush/Blair Middle East agenda.



 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: drewshin
why is the u.s. harboring the chechen terrorists?

As I've tried to explain to our neocon members, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. Blowing up kids in Russia obviously doesn't qualify as terrorism to Bush and Blair. Killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians doesn't qualify either. Terrorism only counts when it fits the narrow parameters of the Bush/Blair Middle East agenda.

What...?
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: drewshin
why is the u.s. harboring the chechen terrorists?

As I've tried to explain to our neocon members, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. Blowing up kids in Russia obviously doesn't qualify as terrorism to Bush and Blair. Killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians doesn't qualify either. Terrorism only counts when it fits the narrow parameters of the Bush/Blair Middle East agenda.

What...?

I think he's talking about the mass-murders comitted by chechen's in the school. But hey, have you got any idea how many chechen's russians killed? It's a war of conquest, Putin agreed with the iraqi war because he hoped people would see this war as we've been fooled in to believing about the iraqi war, namely that it's about terrorism. One thing is a fact: Some very very important oil lines for russia go through chechnya, it'd be a shame if they suddenly would have to pay for them.
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: drewshin
why is the u.s. harboring the chechen terrorists?

As I've tried to explain to our neocon members, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. Blowing up kids in Russia obviously doesn't qualify as terrorism to Bush and Blair. Killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians doesn't qualify either. Terrorism only counts when it fits the narrow parameters of the Bush/Blair Middle East agenda.

What...?

Are you daft?

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But hey, have you got any idea how many chechen's russians killed?

Now THAT is rich. Have you got any idea how many Iraqis the U.S. has killed? There is a serious disconnect between your World view and reality. The U.S. under GWB has no moral authority on this issue.
 

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
But hey, have you got any idea how many chechen's russians killed?

Now THAT is rich. Have you got any idea how many Iraqis the U.S. has killed? There is a serious disconnect between your World view and reality. The U.S. under GWB has no moral authority on this issue.

individuals in opposition to the iraq war have plenty of authority. War supporters on the other hand have none.
 

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: drewshin
why is the u.s. harboring the chechen terrorists?

As I've tried to explain to our neocon members, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. Blowing up kids in Russia obviously doesn't qualify as terrorism to Bush and Blair. Killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians doesn't qualify either. Terrorism only counts when it fits the narrow parameters of the Bush/Blair Middle East agenda.

What...?

Are you daft?

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But hey, have you got any idea how many chechen's russians killed?

Now THAT is rich. Have you got any idea how many Iraqis the U.S. has killed? There is a serious disconnect between your World view and reality. The U.S. under GWB has no moral authority on this issue.

100.000+ that's for sure! What's your point?

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And why are you critizicing me, what did i say that was wrong?
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: drewshin
why is the u.s. harboring the chechen terrorists?

As I've tried to explain to our neocon members, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. Blowing up kids in Russia obviously doesn't qualify as terrorism to Bush and Blair. Killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians doesn't qualify either. Terrorism only counts when it fits the narrow parameters of the Bush/Blair Middle East agenda.

100,000 civilians?? stop making up stuff plz

terrorism is terrorism.

although Russia has killed so many young Chechnyans that you sometimes understand why they attack Russia. thats why you see so many women terrorists from Chechnya, their husbands have been killed by Russian forces, in some instances they round up young men and shoot them for no reason