Zenmervolt
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The Bluestreaks were racing tires... Definitely not intended for street use. Goodyear Polyglas tires were where it was at.
ZV
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Bluestreaks were racing tires... Definitely not intended for street use. Goodyear Polyglas tires were where it was at.
ZV
Guys would have two grooves cut into the BlueStreaks then street'em on sport cars
I ran Michlin RedLines on my Austin Healey 3000 and my brother ran BlueStreaks on his AH Sprite.
Guys would groove M&H drag slicks to street'em.
The original pneumatic automotive tires were all white. Natual rubber is white in colour.
This is a FACT! Look at pics of pioneer class cars and motorcycles...YIKES!! White tires.
Natural rubber tires were dyed black with carbon black because white tires yellowed and
were impossible to keep clean. Formulas for increased traction and hardness for wear resistance
were the end of all white tires.
...Galvanized
Amused
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My motorcycle has wide white walls:
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0427.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0422.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0427.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0422.jpg
This is what I had in mind. http://www.the-rocketman.com/cycle/INDIAN-1913-BOARD.jpg
That is a board track racer. Indian was a much better motorcycle than HD, for the most part.
Your HD is nice but most serious riders would class it with wooden roller coasters
...Galvanized
Amused
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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
This is what I had in mind. http://www.the-rocketman.com/cycle/INDIAN-1913-BOARD.jpg
That is a board track racer. Indian was a much better motorcycle than HD, for the most part.
Your HD is nice but most serious riders would class it with wooden roller coasters
...Galvanized
Um, you may want to re-read your history. HD beat Indian because Indian was underpowered and outdated by it's last decade. This is why Indian failed.
No doubt classic Indians are some of the most beautiful bike in the world. But they were far from better than HD in their time.
And yes, I am aware my bike is no modern racing machine. I rode crotch rockets for 20+ years. I purposely bought a slow cruiser. And if I'm going to buy a cruiser, I'll pick the one I can sell in 5-10 years for more than I paid for it.
Amused, Read, The Harley-Davidson and Indian Wars by Allen Gridler.
I have a signed copy here . Harley stole more patented ideas than any other pre-1930
motorcycle builder. They were ruthless crooks, that's why they made it through the depression.
I don't care how much you can sell it for. Is it fun to ride? That's all that matters.
I have a '77 900SS Ducati that I bought for $1200, it's now worth >$10k, < 700 were made
that year.
...Galvanized
I have a signed copy here
. Harley stole more patented ideas than any other pre-1930motorcycle builder. They were ruthless crooks, that's why they made it through the depression.
I don't care how much you can sell it for. Is it fun to ride? That's all that matters.
I have a '77 900SS Ducati that I bought for $1200, it's now worth >$10k, < 700 were made
that year.
...Galvanized
Amused
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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Amused, Read, The Harley-Davidson and Indian Wars by Allen Gridler.
I have a signed copy here
motorcycle builder. They were ruthless crooks, that's why they made it through the depression.
I don't care how much you can sell it for. Is it fun to ride? That's all that matters.
I have a '77 900SS Ducati that I bought for $1200, it's now worth >$10k, < 700 were made
that year.
...Galvanized
Yes, it's very fun to ride. And resale value is a nice thing to have.
As for HD vs Indian, pre-war is irrelevant. What happened post war is what killed Indian... and that was an inability to compete.
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Bluestreaks were racing tires... Definitely not intended for street use. Goodyear Polyglas tires were where it was at.
ZV
Negative. My 1966 dodge charger came with 7.75 x 14 goodyear bluestreak street tires from the factory. They were street legal on many other 1960s models.
So not only are you deafening people with your loud pipes, you're blinding them with your bright white tires!:|
Tires turned black when the automakers realized that people can't park, and were scuffing up their whitewalls on the curb. That's my theory.
Amused. And Harley should have died at the hands of AMF in the early '70s. The family bought it back just as is was about to go into recievership. Then they get a tariff on all Japanese bikes >700cc, remember those Porsche Works, along with Maul piston, designed the new Block-Head engine (EVO). Ford Motor Co Financing covered new bike loans from '84~'87 at 3.5%. The Bank of Tokyo covered all the loans that Harley got elsewere. The Nipponese underwrote the loans Harley used to re-tool...Hows that grab ya!! These are all facts. Even in the late '80s and into the late '90s Harley was ripping off the ideas of Sifton and S&S. They also stole freely from Jerry Branch of http://www.branchflowmetrics.com/
Then they went to every M/C repair shop and pull all goods with trade mark infractions, they did the same at bike swap-meets. HD really insulted the fathful that kept them alive in the late '60s through the early '80s. I talked with many that were deeply hurt by it. Yep, tis true!
The last Indians were made in 1954. Give me a PowerPlus or Indian four over any Harley.
Harley was always better at the graft big business demands. Indian was consistantly better at offering a superior product.
Shoot!! Harley ripped off Flying Merkel for thier first spring forks
Harley Yuppies trailer thier bikes to Sturgis behind A/Ced motorhomes, put on removable tats, then act tough. Bwahahaha!
To really find out what happened to Indian, read The Iron beloved patriot....Peace.
...Galvanized (rider of BMW, Ducati & Moto Guzzi)
Porsche Works, along with Maul piston, designed the new Block-Head engine (EVO). Ford Motor Co Financing covered new bike loans from '84~'87 at 3.5%. The Bank of Tokyo covered all the loans that Harley got elsewere. The Nipponese underwrote the loans Harley used to re-tool...Hows that grab ya!! These are all facts. Even in the late '80s and into the late '90s Harley was ripping off the ideas of Sifton and S&S. They also stole freely from Jerry Branch of http://www.branchflowmetrics.com/Then they went to every M/C repair shop and pull all goods with trade mark infractions, they did the same at bike swap-meets. HD really insulted the fathful that kept them alive in the late '60s through the early '80s. I talked with many that were deeply hurt by it. Yep, tis true!
The last Indians were made in 1954. Give me a PowerPlus or Indian four over any Harley.
Harley was always better at the graft big business demands. Indian was consistantly better at offering a superior product.
Shoot!! Harley ripped off Flying Merkel for thier first spring forks
Harley Yuppies trailer thier bikes to Sturgis behind A/Ced motorhomes, put on removable tats, then act tough. Bwahahaha!
To really find out what happened to Indian, read The Iron beloved patriot....Peace.
...Galvanized (rider of BMW, Ducati & Moto Guzzi)
Zenmervolt
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Street legal and intended for street use are two different things. I can legally run R-compound tires on the street and have great traction, but they won't last very long at all.Originally posted by: woodie1
Negative. My 1966 dodge charger came with 7.75 x 14 goodyear bluestreak street tires from the factory. They were street legal on many other 1960s models.Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Bluestreaks were racing tires... Definitely not intended for street use. Goodyear Polyglas tires were where it was at.
ZV
And forgive me, as a young buck I've only ever seen bluestreaks sold as racing tires for vintage racing events.
ZV
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Bluestreaks were racing tires... Definitely not intended for street use. Goodyear Polyglas tires were where it was at.
ZV
Guys would have two grooves cut into the BlueStreaks then street'em on sport cars
I ran Michlin RedLines on my Austin Healey 3000 and my brother ran BlueStreaks on his AH Sprite.
Guys would groove M&H drag slicks to street'em.
The original pneumatic automotive tires were all white. Natual rubber is white in colour.
This is a FACT! Look at pics of pioneer class cars and motorcycles...YIKES!! White tires.
Natural rubber tires were dyed black with carbon black because white tires yellowed and
were impossible to keep clean. Formulas for increased traction and hardness for wear resistance
were the end of all white tires.
...Galvanized
True,
old expensive cars were using the Whitewalls, as a "status" thing, years ago.
When the cheaper tires were all black.
ZV, BlueStreaks being offered for street use was a very short term deal, iirc at 59.
The grooving of drag race tires for street use lasted about 4 years before the law caught
onto us doing it
...Galvanized
The grooving of drag race tires for street use lasted about 4 years before the law caught
onto us doing it
...Galvanized
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Street legal and intended for street use are two different things. I can legally run R-compound tires on the street and have great traction, but they won't last very long at all.Originally posted by: woodie1
Negative. My 1966 dodge charger came with 7.75 x 14 goodyear bluestreak street tires from the factory. They were street legal on many other 1960s models.Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Bluestreaks were racing tires... Definitely not intended for street use. Goodyear Polyglas tires were where it was at.
ZV
And forgive me, as a young buck I've only ever seen bluestreaks sold as racing tires for vintage racing events.
ZV
NP. The ones on my car were very hard rubber with regular tread just like a street tire but they were labeled as bluestreaks and rated for 125 MPH. They lasted forever. Strange as the car would do 140 stock with its hemi engine.
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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Amused. And Harley should have died at the hands of AMF in the early '70s. The family bought it back just as is was about to go into recievership. Then they get a tariff on all Japanese bikes >700cc, remember those
Then they went to every M/C repair shop and pull all goods with trade mark infractions, they did the same at bike swap-meets. HD really insulted the fathful that kept them alive in the late '60s through the early '80s. I talked with many that were deeply hurt by it. Yep, tis true!
The last Indians were made in 1954. Give me a PowerPlus or Indian four over any Harley.
Harley was always better at the graft big business demands. Indian was consistantly better at offering a superior product.
Shoot!! Harley ripped off Flying Merkel for thier first spring forks
Harley Yuppies trailer thier bikes to Sturgis behind A/Ced motorhomes, put on removable tats, then act tough. Bwahahaha!
To really find out what happened to Indian, read The Iron beloved patriot....Peace.
...Galvanized (rider of BMW, Ducati & Moto Guzzi)
Dude, I'm not defending Harley. I have no vested interest in the company. I'm also no "biker" so pissing all over the Sturgis crowd isn't going to inflame me. I have no tattoos or piercings. No patch covered vests or jackets.
The question was this: Why did Indian fail and was HD a better product? Not a million rumors and reasons why you have an irrational hate of a motorcycle company.
Post war Harley was light years ahead of Indian in power and technology in their consumer bikes. That's just a fact. Indian died because in their last decade they offered a vastly inferior product.
Amused, THE E. Paul duPont owned Indian from 1930 to 1945. That's why Indians had such pretty paint jobs. Harley did much better with war contracts and when Indian was sold after the war no real design work had been done on an overhead valve engine. In spite of this the 80 inch Indian was equal to the '47 Knuckelhead. It was the '48 Panhead that really wounded the Chief. The new owner, Rogers, along with Floyd Clymer, decided to build parallel twins like the American service men in Britian had fallen in love with. These sorry assed bikes killed Indian. Then the name has been drug through the mud for years, much to the discussed of those of us that know motorcycling History in America.
Many good names died from hanging onto the flathead too long, Hudson and Packard are only two of several. Indian should have had the guys in the back room working on an overhead valve engine...but they didn't. Indian built the first American V twin and the first 8 Valve racer (overhead valve).
After Indian died Harley had a free hand within the AMA. They used this power to exclude competative British and Italian motorcycles from American racing. This is another major reason I despise HD so much. At AMA races and at motorcycle shows, when I meet an older AMA official, I ask about the AMA's history of unfair rules. The rules that protected HD. They do not want to talk about it...Asshats!
Honda could have kicked HD's ass in Class C racing but didn't because it was not in Honda's real interest, so they withdrew.
...Galvanized
Many good names died from hanging onto the flathead too long, Hudson and Packard are only two of several. Indian should have had the guys in the back room working on an overhead valve engine...but they didn't. Indian built the first American V twin and the first 8 Valve racer (overhead valve).
After Indian died Harley had a free hand within the AMA. They used this power to exclude competative British and Italian motorcycles from American racing. This is another major reason I despise HD so much. At AMA races and at motorcycle shows, when I meet an older AMA official, I ask about the AMA's history of unfair rules. The rules that protected HD. They do not want to talk about it...Asshats!
Honda could have kicked HD's ass in Class C racing but didn't because it was not in Honda's real interest, so they withdrew.
...Galvanized
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