Purdue vs. Ohio State

[kalster]

if OSU do make it to the sugar bowl it will either be a very one side game (OU whopping) or defensive battle (which is not fun to watch), if USC makes it, its gonna be a scoring fest, both rely on offense big time (OU 77-0 las week, Trojans 45-0 today)

 

[Tom]

Another GREAT Big Ten game !! Of course, the outcome was never really in question..

On to Michigan!!

 

[tennisflip]

Originally posted by: NeoV
the Big 10 doesn't have any NFL prospects? Oh my....Iowa doesn't have any NFL prospects? How about the best O lineman in the country(Gallory), perhaps the best line prospect since Orlando Pace? Penn ST is certainly having a down year, but they have quite a few talented players as well...Michigan St has a top QB...Wisonsin has plenty of NFL prospects as well...I just checked one NFL draft website, and 15 of their top 100 players are from the big 10...Minnesota's TE, Wisc RB...and that didn't include any underclassmen, like Gamble., Braylon Edwards, etc...

Lee Evans will be a high draft pick. I also think that Smoker would do well in the NFL.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: kalster
if OSU do make it to the sugar bowl it will either be a very one side game (OU whopping) or defensive battle (which is not fun to watch), if USC makes it, its gonna be a scoring fest, both rely on offense big time (OU 77-0 las week, Trojans 45-0 today)

Low scoring games are great, simply because EVERY SINGLE PLAY has a chance to be the pivotal play of the game. Every play is important. I find that to be infinitely more exciting/entertaining than a Texas Tech style of playing. Plus, as Neo V said, ask Texas Tech what happens when they meet a good defense.

USC's offense isnt good enough to beat OU's defense as much as OU's offense would spank USC's defense. THAT game would likely be a blowout, simply because USC hasnt seen a defense like OU's. And ask Miami what happens when the first time your team encounters a tough defense is also the national championship game.

If the Buckeyes play OU, OU's offense is going to have to handle the blitz better, since Baylor's 100+ ranked defense was able to get to Jason White several times. And Baylor's starters (with maybe one or two exceptions) on the D-line and their LB's would be lucky to make second string at OSU.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: kalster
if OSU do make it to the sugar bowl it will either be a very one side game (OU whopping) or defensive battle (which is not fun to watch), if USC makes it, its gonna be a scoring fest, both rely on offense big time (OU 77-0 las week, Trojans 45-0 today)

Low scoring games are great, simply because EVERY SINGLE PLAY has a chance to be the pivotal play of the game. Every play is important. I find that to be infinitely more exciting/entertaining than a Texas Tech style of playing. Plus, as Neo V said, ask Texas Tech what happens when they meet a good defense.

USC's offense isnt good enough to beat OU's defense as much as OU's offense would spank USC's defense. THAT game would likely be a blowout, simply because USC hasnt seen a defense like OU's. And ask Miami what happens when the first time your team encounters a tough defense is also the national championship game.

If the Buckeyes play OU, OU's offense is going to have to handle the blitz better, since Baylor's 100+ ranked defense was able to get to Jason White several times. And Baylor's starters (with maybe one or two exceptions) on the D-line and their LB's would be lucky to make second string at OSU.

wat makes u think USC's offense isnt that good enuf?


anyway its hard to speculate well, lets see, USC offense is obviously doing all the right things to be where they are at this point

anyway it will be an interesting 2-3 weeks all the same


hopefuly Michigan can beat OSU to take care of this whole discussion as to who will give OU a better game

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Mookow
Low scoring games are great, simply because EVERY SINGLE PLAY has a chance to be the pivotal play of the game. Every play is important. I find that to be infinitely more exciting/entertaining than a Texas Tech style of playing. Plus, as Neo V said, ask Texas Tech what happens when they meet a good defense.

USC's offense isnt good enough to beat OU's defense as much as OU's offense would spank USC's defense. THAT game would likely be a blowout, simply because USC hasnt seen a defense like OU's. And ask Miami what happens when the first time your team encounters a tough defense is also the national championship game.

If the Buckeyes play OU, OU's offense is going to have to handle the blitz better, since Baylor's 100+ ranked defense was able to get to Jason White several times. And Baylor's starters (with maybe one or two exceptions) on the D-line and their LB's would be lucky to make second string at OSU.

wat makes u think USC's offense isnt that good enuf?

anyway its hard to speculate well, lets see, USC offense is obviously doing all the right things to be where they are at this point

anyway it will be an interesting 2-3 weeks all the same

hopefuly Michigan can beat OSU to take care of this whole discussion as to who will give OU a better game

Two questions for you: Whats the hardest defense USC has faced? How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

Think about that for a minute. Now think about this. USC's offense is sort of like Miami's offense of last year prior to the Fiesta Bowl. They were a fast scoring, high points offense. Then OSU introduced them to a great defense. And smacked the cr@p out of their Heisman candidates. Will Allen... well, you probably saw the replay of that hit over... and over... and over. And then Wilhelm hit Dorsey like a freight train with a couple dozen JATOs mounted on it. You know someone had their bell rang when they cant maintain their balance... while on their hands and knees.

EDIT: just to clarify my point. USC has not faced a really, really good defense. Once that happens, they're going to have to have a really, really good defense of their own. Which, while their defense isnt bad, it is not on the level of OU's defense.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Mookow
Low scoring games are great, simply because EVERY SINGLE PLAY has a chance to be the pivotal play of the game. Every play is important. I find that to be infinitely more exciting/entertaining than a Texas Tech style of playing. Plus, as Neo V said, ask Texas Tech what happens when they meet a good defense.

USC's offense isnt good enough to beat OU's defense as much as OU's offense would spank USC's defense. THAT game would likely be a blowout, simply because USC hasnt seen a defense like OU's. And ask Miami what happens when the first time your team encounters a tough defense is also the national championship game.

If the Buckeyes play OU, OU's offense is going to have to handle the blitz better, since Baylor's 100+ ranked defense was able to get to Jason White several times. And Baylor's starters (with maybe one or two exceptions) on the D-line and their LB's would be lucky to make second string at OSU.

wat makes u think USC's offense isnt that good enuf?

anyway its hard to speculate well, lets see, USC offense is obviously doing all the right things to be where they are at this point

anyway it will be an interesting 2-3 weeks all the same

hopefuly Michigan can beat OSU to take care of this whole discussion as to who will give OU a better game

Two questions for you: Whats the hardest defense USC has faced? How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

Think about that for a minute. Now think about this. USC's offense is sort of like Miami's offense of last year prior to the Fiesta Bowl. They were a fast scoring, high points offense. Then OSU introduced them to a great defense. And smacked the cr@p out of their Heisman candidates. Will Allen... well, you probably saw the replay of that hit over... and over... and over. And then Wilhelm hit Dorsey like a freight train with a couple dozen JATOs mounted on it. You know someone had their bell rang when they cant maintain their balance... while on their hands and knees.

well
they didnt exactly whoop Miami as you make it sound, it was close and wasnt exactly without controversy either

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Mookow
Two questions for you: Whats the hardest defense USC has faced? How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

Think about that for a minute. Now think about this. USC's offense is sort of like Miami's offense of last year prior to the Fiesta Bowl. They were a fast scoring, high points offense. Then OSU introduced them to a great defense. And smacked the cr@p out of their Heisman candidates. Will Allen... well, you probably saw the replay of that hit over... and over... and over. And then Wilhelm hit Dorsey like a freight train with a couple dozen JATOs mounted on it. You know someone had their bell rang when they cant maintain their balance... while on their hands and knees.

well
they didnt exactly whoop Miami as you make it sound, it was close and wasnt exactly without controversy either

They didnt kill them, but the people who complain about that last call need to both look at the first 60 minutes and start looking at all the calls that went against OSU/all the calls that werent made against Miami (one defender threw Jenkins to the ground... no flag), AND they need to look at the wide angle camera view on that pass. If it wasnt pass interference (and after looking at it frame by frame on the VCR, I think it was) it was definitely defensive holding. One way or the other, its a first down for the Buckeyes. After the game, and the resultant crying from Miami, there was a nice flash on the internet, showing ~8 or so OSU passes that were interfered with, without any flags.

EDIT: you didnt answer my two questions:
-Whats the hardest defense USC has faced?
-How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

 

[Mookow]

-Whats the hardest defense USC has faced?
-How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

[crickets chirping]...[/crickets chirping]

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Mookow

-Whats the hardest defense USC has faced?
-How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

[crickets chirping]...[/crickets chirping]

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[digitalsm]

The Sugar is OSU's to lose now. BSC projections have them jumping LSU and USC, and taking the #2 spot. If they beat Michigan they will hold on to the #2 spot. I think the Wolverines will win though so its a moot point.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
The Sugar is OSU's to lose now. BSC projections have them jumping LSU and USC, and taking the #2 spot. If they beat Michigan they will hold on to the #2 spot. I think the Wolverines will win though so its a moot point.

A couple more days and we'll see...

 

[Tom]

Tuesday- LOTR Twin Towers extended edition dvd released..

Thursday- KOTOR for PC released..

Saturday- OSU at Michigan..

should be an entertaining week !!

 

[Lucky]

michigan loses at home nearly every single year, this one wont be an exception. go OSU!

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Mookow

EDIT: you didnt answer my two questions:
-Whats the hardest defense USC has faced?
-How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

I don't know enough about the players on Oklahoma's defense to answer your second question.

As to the best defenses, USC scored 22 points and had 315 yards against the #7 defense, Auburn. This was before they went on thier recent offensive tear.

They also scored 35 points and had 306 yards against #18 defense, BYU, also before their offensive tear.

They also scored 43 points and had 436 yards against #25 defense, WSU.

 

[vi edit]

About defense, here's the Iowa Defense breakdown(I comment Iowa just because I've watched all the games):

Against #6 scoring offense Miami(Ohio) - left with only a field goal on the scoreboard
Against #7 scoring offense Minnesota - Not a touchdown scored by them until 4:XX left in the 4th quarter
Against #9 scoring Michigan - left them standing 10 points lower than they normally do
Ohio State never scored an offensive touchdown against us and we lost because of stupid mistakes that could have been prevented.

Having an excellent defense wins championships. You shut out your opponents and either cause fumbles or interceptions for returns for points, or you set your offense up for good field position forcing the other team to 4 downs and a punt. You can win a game with a good defense without even having offense step on the field.

 

[Tom]

Excellent analysis of why good defense is important..

except for the part about Iowa could have beaten OSU. Guess what ? They didn't. It's over. Done. Finis.


And somebody mentioned Oklahoma's defense, so far I would say it's mostly an unkown since Oklahoma hasn't had a game where their defense was under a lot of pressure in a game winning situation.

 

[Mookow]

After this weeks game I would really like to see OU face a team that can put pressure on the QB and stop the run. IMO that would be the key to stopping them. I mean, Baylor sacked Jason White 5 times... and I havent heard anyone talk about Baylor's D-linemen (or D line as a whole) being anything special.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Mookow

EDIT: you didnt answer my two questions:
-Whats the hardest defense USC has faced?
-How many of those guys could start on the Sooner's defense?

I don't know enough about the players on Oklahoma's defense to answer your second question.

As to the best defenses, USC scored 22 points and had 315 yards against the #7 defense, Auburn. This was before they went on thier recent offensive tear.

They also scored 35 points and had 306 yards against #18 defense, BYU, also before their offensive tear.

They also scored 43 points and had 436 yards against #25 defense, WSU.

Actually, they scored 23 points against Auburn. I also wouldn't exactly call the win against Auburn a good game. Auburn never showed up for that game and USC pushed them all over the field, they just failed to convert some of those opportunities into points.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Tuesday- LOTR Twin Towers extended edition dvd released..

Thursday- KOTOR for PC released..

Saturday- OSU at Michigan..

should be an entertaining week !!

Yay! LOTR: The Two Towers: "We are preparing these items for shipment and this portion of your order cannot be canceled or changed."