pulling out hair over AS3 application!!!

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

** start laugh track **

i have reapplied AS3 6 times now, in various stages of compliance ( like the first 2 times i used my finger to spread AS3 over my cpu... i've used too much... i've used too little... i've rubbed AS3 off my cpu with a piece of toilet paper, thats it, and then reapplied, no further cleaning :Q) SO, this time i did it the right way: followed all instructions, lapped my hsf, cleaned everything really well with 99.9% iso alcohol and a lintless cloth(s), applied AS3 with a credit card edge, nice and thin... didnt touch ANYTHING with my skin... put it all back together and voila.... temps are higher than before ( about 42-43c idle ), and the room temp isnt at all even warm...

I CANT SEEM TO GET THIS RIGHT... since i have a p4 3.06, my cpu heatspreader is HUGE compared to the acual size of the core. so getting the AS3 to spread evenly across this is almost impossible ( for me anyway... ) does anyone else have this prob w/p4's heatspreader... any solutions or tips??????

im assuming that i have used too much for the temps to be this high, but HELP ME PLEASE!!!! any ideas WTF im doing wrong????
... like i wanna go back in there and do this all over again :|

matsuhisa · Mar 27, 2003

i was thinking about buying as3 too... but maybe not now. better luck next time.

OulOat · Mar 27, 2003

Have you waited a couple of days for the AS to settle?

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

AS3 is not the prob, unless my AS3 is too old, which it aint, its something else... me, most likely

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by: OulOat
Have you waited a couple of days for the AS to settle?

no... just did it today... im impatient as h3ll! i've read about letting it settle... its just never been this high right off the bat.

Lord Evermore · Mar 27, 2003

What about case ventilation? Is this with the case all closed up and only the PSU and CPU fans? Is the case stuffed into a corner with no airflow from the rest of the room? What about 100% usage temps? Does it keep the temperature from rising much?

Given that you've got the fastest P4 available, and presumably using the stock cooler, those temps don't sound THAT bad.

What's the meaning of "not all that warm"? 25C? 27C? What's warm to you may be hot to someone else, and even if the temperature is okay for you, it may be enough to make the heatsink performance somewhat less than optimal.

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

i have a thermaltake spark 7 hsf( @ 6500 rpm, not the best cooler, but not stock )... my case has 2 medium speed fans up front ( pulling in ), 2 high speeds in the back ( pushing out ), 92mm medium spedd in the side ( pulling in )... nothing in the way of air flow ( all rounded cabling )...

not sure what my room temp is, i have windows open to bring in cool air ( about 50F or so )...

OulOat · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by: poMONKey

Originally posted by: OulOat
Have you waited a couple of days for the AS to settle?

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no... just did it today... im impatient as h3ll! i've read about letting it settle... its just never been this high right off the bat.

Quoted right off the AS site, "Due to the unique shape and sizes of the silver particles in Arctic Silver 3, it will take a minimum of 72 hours, and as many as 200 hours to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the heatsink.) The CPU's temperature will drop as much as 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period."

Wait a while before blaming yourself. Also, AS can only do so much. Your hsf combination is much more important in determining your CPU temps. Use AS with a bad hsf and you will always get high temps.

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

thanks OulOat... i'll chill ( ha ha ) for a couple and see...

OulOat · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by: poMONKey
i have a thermaltake spark 7 hsf( @ 6500 rpm, not the best cooler, but not stock )... my case has 2 medium speed fans up front ( pulling in ), 2 high speeds in the back ( pushing out ), 92mm medium spedd in the side ( pulling in )... nothing in the way of air flow ( all rounded cabling )...

not sure what my room temp is, i have windows open to bring in cool air ( about 50F or so )...

If you want to find out if it's your case temps that is causing the problem, remove your case side and see how that affects your CPU temps.

On another note, the temp of a stressed CPU is much more important than the temp of an idle CPU. A small jump in temps when the CPU goes from idle to stressed means that your hsf is doing an excellent job while a large jump means the hsf is insufficent.

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

good point... thanks again.

im hammering my system right now ( windows tour flash movie playing, quake3 spectating online, IE, word, adobe illustrator with a BIG a$$ file open, easytune for temp monitoring, windows explorer, task manager performance tab, powerpoint copying and pasting stuff from illustrator... ) and the temps are about 55c... not bad for the pounding its taking. plus my system is OCed to 150 fsb and a vcore of 1.65v... havent ried prime95 yet tho, that really hammers the temps, usually over about 60c...

slag · Mar 27, 2003

That seems high, even with unsettled as3.

I have an overclocked 2.4b @ 3.115 ghz (1.65 volts), and at idle it's 32 degrees, max under load is 46.

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by: slag
That seems high, even with unsettled as3.

I have an overclocked 2.4b @ 3.115 ghz (1.65 volts), and at idle it's 32 degrees, max under load is 46.

yeah... this chip runs @ a little higher temp, and its doing 3.460ghz... but 42c/107f idle???

im might be heading for a new hsf... any suggs?

GrumpyMan · Mar 27, 2003

On the 3.06 that I've got the stock hsf would produce temps of 37 idle and 53 full load. Maybe you should try the stock one. But those temps aren't that bad.

brucehao · Mar 27, 2003

Yeah, those temperatures aren't bad at all. With such a high end chip, you might as well get a high end hsf that you can use when you decide to replace your 3.06 with something better.

GrumpyMan · Mar 27, 2003

I got the SLK900 and now my idle temps are 33 idle and 48 full load after an hour of gaming with other programs running in the background, mail proggies, P2P proggies, etc. on my 3.06.

poMONKey · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
I got the SLK900 and now my idle temps are 33 idle and 48 full load after an hour of gaming with other programs running in the background, mail proggies, P2P proggies, etc. on my 3.06.

thanks for the tip GrumpyMan... thats the one i'll be getting... and it clicks right in

Texun · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by: poMONKey
** start laugh track **
temps are higher than before ( about 42-43c idle ), and the room temp isnt at all even warm...|

Your temps are fine, but I also had terrible luck with AS3 and have since moved back to hake stuff. I know tons of people have great results but not me. I got tired of doing it over and over and getting the same numbers, then went with the cheap silver grease and it's fine now.

Chrisdragon · Mar 27, 2003

I left prime95 running on my 2100+ (but underclocked and running like a 1500+) for 90 minutes with exhaust, vantec aeroflow and a hugeass fan blowing into the case, the stress temp was 113 F. That's the temperature of the CPU at idle without my medium sized fan blowing into the case.

GrumpyMan · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by: texun

Originally posted by: poMONKey
** start laugh track **
temps are higher than before ( about 42-43c idle ), and the room temp isnt at all even warm...|

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Your temps are fine, but I also had terrible luck with AS3 and have since moved back to hake stuff. I know tons of people have great results but not me. I got tired of doing it over and over and getting the same numbers, then went with the cheap silver grease and it's fine now.

I have been using AS II, I have not tried AS III yet since I still have some of the other left yet. But I have read many threads where people either love AS III or simply do not, some have had to re-apply it due to it breaking down. But I think it must of been some of that fake stuff that was going around awhile back.

Baileybbk · Mar 28, 2003

You might want to check out Nanotherm XTC, I remember reading a good thermal compound comparison review.

kidsafe · Mar 28, 2003

poMONkey, you wouldn't happen to be running an 845PE, 845GE, or E7205 based board, would you?

Jeff7 · Mar 28, 2003

I've not once bothered to do the whole thin layer thing, and I seem to have survived. I've relied on the pressure of the heatsink to press the heatsink compound to where it's needed - I just put maybe a tiny rice-grain (or smaller) sized bit of AS on the core of the processor, and clamp down the heatsink. It always seems to spread out evenly, and my temps are good. As for the P4, perhaps an owner of one could answer this: is the core of the CPU right in the center of the whole chip? If so, maybe a dab/tiny glob of ASIII right in the center would do the trick?

poMONKey · Mar 31, 2003

Originally posted by: kidsafe
poMONkey, you wouldn't happen to be running an 845PE, 845GE, or E7205 based board, would you?

E7205... ( sorry, i went out of town last friday.... thanx for the reply )

poMONKey · Mar 31, 2003

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