Pulled the old switchero of changing the thread title

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
yep, im out. night folks, almost 5am here.

almost 6 am here

 

[TechBoyJK]

it was fun.

 

[Nebor]

I think this thread is the greatest threat to my sleep habits.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Judgement
You make it sound like we didn't know what we were getting into when we attacked Japan. You ignore the fact that the entire country had been preparing for war long before we were actually involved. The attack by Japan was simply an excuse to justify the inevitable.

Well, I'm not saying that we had incompetent military forces, but we were simply not prepared.

We'd been lethargic. I mean, we didn't even realize the attack was on (unless you believe one of the theories that the radar operator was ordered not to alert anyone, which I don't). I do acknowledge that we were preparing for war. We weren't prepared though. We were out of neutral and in to first gear by 1941, but we were still a long way from being prepared. Troops were training with fake wooden rifles in some cases.

I don't think that war was thought to be inevitable, at least with Germany and I still maintain that the US public was neither prepared for nor interested in a war before 12/7/1941.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Judgement
You make it sound like we didn't know what we were getting into when we attacked Japan. You ignore the fact that the entire country had been preparing for war long before we were actually involved. The attack by Japan was simply an excuse to justify the inevitable.

Well, I'm not saying that we had incompetent military forces, but we were simply not prepared.

We'd been lethargic. I mean, we didn't even realize the attack was on (unless you believe one of the theories that the radar operator was ordered not to alert anyone, which I don't). I do acknowledge that we were preparing for war. We weren't prepared though. We were out of neutral and in to first gear by 1941, but we were still a long way from being prepared. Troops were training with fake wooden rifles in some cases.

I don't think that war was thought to be inevitable, at least with Germany and I still maintain that the US public was neither prepared for nor interested in a war before 12/7/1941.

I agree our military, nor our civilianz were prepared... but the fact that the military was preparing says a lot. Also, just because we were behind in the game does not mean our enemies were. They had long been expecting, preparing, and fearing U.S. involvement in the war. This is supported by the preemptive strike by Japan. Japan knew it would draw the U.S. into the war and that its alies (Germany) would support them, but they were hoping for a strike critical enough that the U.S. would not be able to interfere with their actions out east.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Judgement
I agree our military, nor our civilianz were prepared... but the fact that the military was preparing says a lot. Also, just because we were behind in the game does not mean our enemies were. They had long been expecting, preparing, and fearing U.S. involvement in the war. This is supported by the preemptive strike by Japan. Japan knew it would draw the U.S. into the war and that its alies (Germany) would support them, but they were hoping for a strike critical enough that the U.S. would not be able to interfere with their actions out east.

Well, I'm not arguing that they knew the US could interfere. Lots of Japanese Officers were educated in America. There was a big surge of "Go to America" feelings building up in Japan in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

I just don't think that their fear of our declaration of war was larger than their desire for oil. I don't think the attack was *only* about oil, but I think that had much more to do with it than the fear of preemptive strike.

I still don't think that makes the war proactive on our part. We may have been getting ready for it, but it was still reactive.

 

[Calin]

"Did you knew that apathy and ignorance are the biggest threats to?...
I don't know and I don't care"

As Asimov said in one of the books in the "Foundation" cycle

 

[SeaSerpent]

BUSH

John Ashcroft is a close second.

 

[grrl]

Where's the "All of the above" option?

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Bush

 

[TheAudit]

Skynet.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Anubis
The religious Right

the flaming left

 

[imported_nitrus]

politcians suck. not any particular one, they all suck as a cohesive unit. for instance the french people are are ok with me, i hate their politicians. another thing, all male babies should get a vasectomy. think about it, no more teenage pregnancies. i remember 3 or 4 girls in my school that were pregnant by junior year. vasectomy = no abortion, less strain on welfare. what you guys think?

 

[TheAudit]

Illitteraccey.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: XietyCOM

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Balt
Probably North Korea. Thus, I chose "some asian country"

NK admits that it has nukes and constantly uses them for posturing purposes, but you don't see us invading them.

bah, they won't fuk with us. They are almost right in a way because they have this biggass country called China staring down at them. I think the US just needs to make sure China doesn't fuk with them and they might disarm.

I actually chose John Kerry. I'm sure he's a good man and all, but he is definately not presidential material, and I think if he is elected the US will trip over itself and take a fall.

Bush isn't perfect, just too aggressive for most people. I'm glad he realized his power and did something about Saddam and started shaking our sword at the middle east. We have every right to be over there right now. If those crazy societies would learn to be civil, we wouldn't be as concerned about their rash actions. I don't think this is about oil at all. I think thats just an easy target for those that can handle the idea of war and the harsh reality of necessary, premptive security measures and what it takes to take them.

Flame me if you want, but I've thought about this and this is how I feel. Sorry. If I saw a neighborhood bully was terrorizing local kids and then came to my neighborhood and through a brick through my door because he was jealous, you'd better be sure i would report him to the police. If the police (un) was too scared to deal with the bully and I saw the opportunity to take care of him once and for all, I would take whatever means necessary to do it. Saddam was a big bully. thats all.

If you think this has nothing to do with oil, then you do not live on the same planet as I do. I agree, Saddam was a dangerous man (not for the U.S. imo), but saying this had nothing to do with oil is plain ignorant. I am glad most people voted Bush. I hope more people realize this before the election.

Nothing to do with oil, directly. Let's go back to my bully analogy. So after I just beat up the bully and found his hideout in the woods, I find he has a cooler filled with ice cold coke. Hot damn I love a cold coke. (I actually have been drinking them quite a bit lately, alot of work to do, it has caffeine. ) So I invite the local kids that where bullied by the bully back to the hide out to have a coke, and then show them how to setup a neighborhood "coke" operation and make some money. I'm not ignorant. I would gladly pay $3 a gallon or more if it meant just one soldier didn't have to die. This is about so much more than oil. So much more than oil. You'd have to be shortsighted because your pissed about gas prices to think otherwise.

Actually, if people would actually take risks and try to do something with their lives, they might realize what kind of real life survival measures they need to take to keep someone else from ruining their lives or the lives of people they love. The USA is no different in its need for these security measures and policies. If you want to attack us, FUK you, and here comes hell. This is how it has to be. Otherwise, we will keep living in fear. End of story. As I started in business, I sued the first person that remotely screwed me, not because I am lawsuit happy, but because I wanted to know the process and show to myself and others that I would do things to protect myself. Not only did I attack the other party legally, I worked with lawyers to screw with them psychologically. The timing of things, how we said them, when we said them. Kind of like picking a fight not knowing if you will win, but knowing that you will definately learn from it for the next time you are in a fight, and its not one you picked.

People like this ^^^^^

agreed.

techboyjk: analogies don't mean sh!t in the real world buddy. you must be either drunk or stupid because if you are not, i won't even try arguing with you because this is offtopic and that belongs to P&N.

 

[Lazy8s]

Tomorrow's Headline

"New poll shows that 33% of Americans think bush is more of a threat than terrorists."



LOL, where's the media option, I vote for them.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: nitrus
politcians suck. not any particular one, they all suck as a cohesive unit. for instance the french people are are ok with me, i hate their politicians. another thing, all male babies should get a vasectomy. think about it, no more teenage pregnancies. i remember 3 or 4 girls in my school that were pregnant by junior year. vasectomy = no abortion, less strain on welfare. what you guys think?

Hahaha. What about when they actually want to have a kid and can't ?

 

[maziwanka]

i voted xanga b/c i truly believe that it is the greatest threat among all other choices you have listed

 

[jpeyton]

Alert Bush; he's actually winning in this poll by a landslide.

 

[Amused]

IMO? The loss of personal responsibility, and the causes for this.

 

[TheAudit]

The IPod is the scourge of the human race.

 

[jaydee]

Pop up banner's and flashing ads

 

[TheNinja]

I was going to vote for apathy, but I didn't care enough and was too lazy to worry about it, so I just left it on the default option and clicked "vote".

 

[TheAudit]

Obviously, dinosaurs are the greatest threat to the nation.

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft/the Religious Right/ and their goal of subverting American democracy to further their own agendas. Followed by the consolidation of radical Islam with its universal hatred of Western ideals, followed by the proliferation of nuclear technology to the Islamic world.

Yes.