PSU or Mobo?

Resh

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Hi,

The patients are an MSI K8N Neo Platinum (MS-7030 original version, S754 NF3) and an Antec 350W PSU (comes with SLK3700BQE).

Recently, the system started randomly powering down -- no hang, no freeze, just complete shut-down. Following such a shut-down, you'd have to disconnect the power-cord, wait a few minutes, and then maybe, just maybe, it would power up again. Normally it would power up after 10-20 tries.

The situation has escalated. The system is now unable to boot an OS, even DOS of a floppy -- it just powers down in the middle of it. Even in the BIOS screens, it will just power down. If you actually get "Save and Exit" from the BIOS, it seldom reboots after exit.

I've upgraded the BIOS -- same situation.

I've tried clearing CMOS more often than I care to count, even left it without power, without CMOS battery, with jumper on clear for 16 hours -- same behaviour.

In all of this, I just now noticed that the plastic around 3 of the pins on the PSU's 20-pin main power connector look brown, as if they've been burnt.

Referring to this diagram, the burnt ones appear to be pins 1,2, and 11, all of which carry the 3.3V signal.

Link to image: power connector pin-out

If I'm not mistaken, the 3.3V lines feed the cpu, which would be consistent with the "cpu initialization errors" I've been seeing on failed boots.

With all that in mind, which do you think is the case?

1) the psu is pooched
2) the motherboard is fried
3) both psu and motherboard are questionable

Also, is there any chance hte cpu would have been damaged? All parts are still under warranty and I can think of no event (power outage/surge), etc that could have caused this.

The computer belongs to a friend who pretty much surfs, does Office, and mail.

Thoughts?
 

jfunk

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You're going to have to start swapping components to find out for sure. I'd guess your PS is almost certainly damaged, decent chance the mobo is damaged as well, and a possibility the CPU is, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't.

Start by sticking in a new PS and see how it goes.
 

Resh

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I'm a little concerned that the motherboard might damage whatever PSU I attach to it. Same with attaching the damaged PSU -- will it hurt my working motherobard? :(
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: Resh
Hi,

The patients are an MSI K8N Neo Platinum (MS-7030 original version, S754 NF3) and an Antec 350W PSU (comes with SLK3700BQE).

Recently, the system started randomly powering down -- no hang, no freeze, just complete shut-down. Following such a shut-down, you'd have to disconnect the power-cord, wait a few minutes, and then maybe, just maybe, it would power up again. Normally it would power up after 10-20 tries.



Thoughts?



"10~20 tries"=insanity. The PSU was trying to tell you something. The rig, by these efforts, got what it didn't deserve. Voltage spikes can kill any hardware inside the case except the fans. Even dirty voltage (high ripple) can cause the life of filtering caps on graphics cards, VRMs and inside DVD burners to have shortened lives.


...Galvanized

 

VanTheMan

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Burnt connectors are definitely bad. You can try starting the PSU without having it connected to the motherboard by using a paperclip to short the green wire connector to any black connector. This will only help you if you've got a volt/multi-meter to check the rails with. If any of the rails are more than 5%ish out of spec, get a new PSU. If not, you can try it on your motherboard. You'll have to swap the CPU into a known good system to test it. If you want to play it really safe, just get a new PSU, motherboard, and maybe CPU if you find out that it's bad.
 

Resh

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I guess I'll get myself a volt meter as I don't really want to sacrifice good parts in trying to figure this out.

Can someone point me to anything that would explain how to use the volt meter to text the psu?

Thanks!
 

GalvanizedYankee

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I'll say it because few will. The PSU that came with that case is a hardware killer. It's a POS. If it's out of warrenty, open it up and you will most likely find blown Fuijjyu caps, generally a deep purple color with a silver vertical stripe. When blown they will/can cause intermittet stability problems. It will be hard to test for an intermittent failure w/o a real PSU load station w/an O'scpoe.

Hopefully his/your's is as dead as a door nail. Those that read this and are running this PSU, hate me all you wish.

OP, eWiz.com has some VG Enhance units for<<$50. The 360W is a nice low wattage unit for <$30.


...Galvanized
 

Resh

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Anyone have any thoughts on Galvanized views on the PSU. I've never had an issue with an Antec PSU until now, but I"m open minded.

Also noticed discoloration on the motherboard's power connector - same pins. Think it will be warrantied?

Thanks!
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Go to eBay or our For Sale or Trade Forum and see how many nearly new used Antec PSUs are up for sale.

The Neo HE series is built by Seasonic and they are OK. The others are built by CWT to Antec's price point and are suspect.

Search Antec PSUs in our GH Forum...End of story.


...Galvanized
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Resh
Anyone have any thoughts on Galvanized views on the PSU. I've never had an issue with an Antec PSU until now, but I"m open minded.

Also noticed discoloration on the motherboard's power connector - same pins. Think it will be warrantied?

Thanks!

GY is right on in his assesment of your PSU!!

I would steer clear of any PSU that has the antec name on it...juts my opinion!