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Korporativ

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Right now i'm looking at either an antec 430TRUE of a 550TRUECONTROL. For my system right now, the 430 will be fine, but If i'm going to get a power supply, i'd like one that will last me for quite a while. I'd hate to have to go spend another 80+ dollars down the road just for having not spent the extra $30 right now.

the 430:
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-908&depa=0

the 550:
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-922&depa=0

Will the 430 last me through an athlon64 upgrade and running RAID drives is my question? I currently have a 6800OC and nvidia reccomends a 450Watt PSU. I know this is for the crappy PSUs with unstable rails, so an antec 430 should be comperable.

Current config:
Barton 2500+ OC'd to 3200_
NVidia 6800OC 16x6
1gig PC3200ram
2 optical drives
2 harddrives
4 case fans
1 heatsynch fan
Santa Cruz audio card
3com Ethernet adaptor

430 is enough for this, but will I need more?

Thanks,
Korp
 
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Duvie

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Go the 550 then....

Dont forget the OCZ 520 watt powerstream or modstream are very nice....

I just got a 600 OCZ for just that long-term thinking as yours....The rails are so tight as they barely move .01-.02....fully adjustable is nice as well as...

2 SATA plugs
1 pci-e plug
2 4 pin P4 type plugs (for duals)
20pin and converter for 24pin

dedicated 4 pin molex for vid card...

Top notch so far from top to bottom....
 
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LifeStealer

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Is anyone else hearing anything about the newer antec psu's being of not as good of quality as the older ones?
 
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maluckey

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A large forum at Xtremesystems talking about the OCZ 520, shows LOTS of failures, though great customer service. Avoid Antec and Enermax. Same thing.

It's hard to beat Zippy and The FSP high end units. Avoid the Aurora and the Blue Storm (middle grade) units though for serious OC'ing. Enermax has also largely fallen from grace as far as OC units are concerned.

Best? It depend on your needs and wants. There are some really strong and solid PSU for under 90 dollars, and some over the top units at 300+ dollars. If you have a choice, remember that quality in PSU most always translates to physical weight. Pick up a PC Power and Cooling or a Medical grade SPI unit.... Those things are HEAVY.
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: maluckey
A large forum at Xtremesystems talking about the OCZ 520, shows LOTS of failures, though great customer service. Avoid Antec and Enermax. Same thing.

It's hard to beat Zippy and The FSP high end units. Avoid the Aurora and the Blue Storm (middle grade) units though for serious OC'ing. Enermax has also largely fallen from grace as far as OC units are concerned.

Best? It depend on your needs and wants. There are some really strong and solid PSU for under 90 dollars, and some over the top units at 300+ dollars. If you have a choice, remember that quality in PSU most always translates to physical weight. Pick up a PC Power and Cooling or a Medical grade SPI unit.... Those things are HEAVY.
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Link please!!! I have yet to hear of one, other then early 600 watters.....I dont hang there much, but I do at 4 other forums and it would be the first of any news I have heard.

 
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fixxxer0

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Originally posted by: maluckey
A large forum at Xtremesystems talking about the OCZ 520, shows LOTS of failures, though great customer service. Avoid Antec and Enermax. Same thing.
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lol you basically eliminated a huge portion of mainstream higher-end powersupplies....

obviously they arent NEARLY as bad as you say because id say 70% of the people on here have one, and arent complaining about them.
 
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Icepick

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Originally posted by: maluckey
A large forum at Xtremesystems talking about the OCZ 520, shows LOTS of failures, though great customer service. Avoid Antec and Enermax. Same thing.
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Please post links to reputable sites that are making these claims. Antec and Enermax both have solid reputations among the enthusiast community. I'd have to see some pretty extaordinary evidence before buying into this.

 
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Korporativ

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The antec rails are low on these models? The link to the article you posted seems to have all of those PSUs out of stock. Also, those are 400-480watt PSUs, wouldn't the 550 from Antec still be better? even with the lower rails?

BTW really not looking to spend over 100 dollars on a PSU. Too bad that zippy thread is dead, or that would have been the way to go.
 
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zakee00

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if you want a futureproof PSU, i would get one that has a 24pin ATX connector, as well as a PCIe power connector. the truepowers have neither, but i think the OCZ's do. dont listen to that guy above, Antec, Enermax, and OCZ all make quality components.
 
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Korporativ

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For those exact reasons, I decided to go with the Tagan 480W... good PSU, good rails, PCIe connector and 24-pin connector. Good stuff. :)
 
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Quino

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The Zippy/emac gulizy linked is out of stock now. Here is a good one on stock :


400 Watt Zippy


500watt zippy

I ordered the HP2-6460P for the $59 (which has the same specs as the 500 watt being sold at newegg). It is replacing an Enermax 550 (I wanted a little bit more future proof by going to 24 pin atx). I should receive it next week :)
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: render
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...showthread.php?t=49657

"OCZ Powerstream 600w Vs. PC Power&cooling 510w"

Check out 2nd page for OCZ PS failure.

Those OCZ PS may have some compatibilty issues with MSI K8N Neo2 MB. Coincidently, my tagan PS(same as OCZ one built by topower) died and killed my 2 day old neo2 mb.
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I didn't see anything on the 2nd page and with 66 fvcking pages I am not about to look...

Pretty much what I thought though...The complaints are going to be back in Oct/NOv when there were a few reports ( I say few when you consider the number versus happy users) of 600 watters taking out whole systems...i dont remember it being specific to any boards though.

Also the mSI board in early bioses had voltage reporting issues so I hope we didn't base our opinions on that....



Fact is I have a 600watt OCZ with Neo 2 with no issues... Rails are tight...I see like .01-.02 from idle to load!!!! BUt ofcourse I read up on things before I buy them and understand all the issues whether they have merit or not...

What I have learned from being here, ocing ,and seeing people try to OC is....

1) people do not research before they buy

2) ppl do not read up on known issues and fixes

3) ppl rarely remember to flash their boards

4) ppl discount the need for quality power and ram in systems

Basically ppl are responsible for a majority of all issues you read about in the forums eventhough mostly the hardware gets the blame...It is the idiot running it in most cases that is the problem....

From a source I was told most things that are RMA'd at stores like BB, Fryes, etc as well as online retailers like newegg actually work fine when tested in the stores. IE notice the large number of "refurbished items" and open boxes at stores listed above....PPL dont know what they are doing most of the time...
 
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LifeStealer

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: render
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...showthread.php?t=49657

"OCZ Powerstream 600w Vs. PC Power&cooling 510w"

Check out 2nd page for OCZ PS failure.

Those OCZ PS may have some compatibilty issues with MSI K8N Neo2 MB. Coincidently, my tagan PS(same as OCZ one built by topower) died and killed my 2 day old neo2 mb.
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I didn't see anything on the 2nd page and with 66 fvcking pages I am not about to look...

Pretty much what I thought though...The complaints are going to be back in Oct/NOv when there were a few reports ( I say few when you consider the number versus happy users) of 600 watters taking out whole systems...i dont remember it being specific to any boards though.

Also the mSI board in early bioses had voltage reporting issues so I hope we didn't base our opinions on that....



Fact is I have a 600watt OCZ with Neo 2 with no issues... Rails are tight...I see like .01-.02 from idle to load!!!! BUt ofcourse I read up on things before I buy them and understand all the issues whether they have merit or not...

What I have learned from being here, ocing ,and seeing people try to OC is....

1) people do not research before they buy

2) ppl do not read up on known issues and fixes

3) ppl rarely remember to flash their boards

4) ppl discount the need for quality power and ram in systems

Basically ppl are responsible for a majority of all issues you read about in the forums eventhough mostly the hardware gets the blame...It is the idiot running it in most cases that is the problem....

From a source I was told most things that are RMA'd at stores like BB, Fryes, etc as well as online retailers like newegg actually work fine when tested in the stores. IE notice the large number of "refurbished items" and open boxes at stores listed above....PPL dont know what they are doing most of the time...
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Lies! OCZ is the devil! :evil:
 
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Zebo

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Originally posted by: Quino
The Zippy/emac gulizy linked is out of stock now. Here is a good one on stock :


400 Watt Zippy


500watt zippy

I ordered the HP2-6460P for the $59 (which has the same specs as the 500 watt being sold at newegg). It is replacing an Enermax 550 (I wanted a little bit more future proof by going to 24 pin atx). I should receive it next week :)
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Yup PCP&C and emacs/zippy are in a league of thier own. Both long time trusted server PSU's jam packed with fat caps, invertors and xformers...Not this cheap china junk with fancy lights/chrome/and beauty cables.
 
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Zebo

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Avoid Antec and Enermax. Same thing.
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The specs and my testing say you're wrong. Enermax's specs are totally different. No true power, not one antec, has a 33A 12V rail like enermax's "cheap" $70 465. And certainly has none like the fat 36A found on 651/and 550. I'll admit enermax is'nt great but nothing can touch them price/performance but maybe TTGI/link depot/superflower (same as enermax) or Tagan (same as OCZ) for high cheap power . Even Enermax's 350W $55 PSU has 26A, more than "true 480's" whic I burnt in 5 minutes.
 
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maluckey

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Another link

Another

It took less than 1 minutes to find issues with OCZ PSU's on the Xtremesystem forum. I found nothing on high-end PC Power and Cooling failures There were a few other links on the same website, as well as a few that I found on the net.

Do some searches, read the links, make a decision. For most people, they recommend what they own themselves. I guess that's O.K., but I don't always do so. For instance: I do not recommend the Aurora PSU's by FSP, or the Antec True Power 430. I have owned both of them, and still run the Aurora unit on my kid?s computer. They are not bad units, just not up to par for serious use or under high ambient temps. I have seen various Aurora units die from bad caps, and the Antec unit was all over the page as far as voltage stability was concerned. I ditched the Antec and use the Aurora on a low-end setup.

 
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