Pssst....hey terrorist, don't try to place an IED in broad daylight....

[Number1]

Woooohoooo hooo we killed some guys, high five! Yessssir! Whooo hooo!

Fucking tards with guns and tards who idolize them.

Fucking clueless lefty tard.

Its kill or be killed out there. You would also jump up and down with joy having killed those trying to kill you.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Try walking in their shoes and go to war, then see if you still think that way.

Normalized hatred is never a good thing. Some of you need a serious look at ethics.

I guarantee you I would never laugh about killing a man and no one worthy of ANY respect would either.

The way some of you justify this is as sick as the people doing it.

 

[Number1]

It's some guys in a country they shouldn't be in, acting like 12 year olds playing video games, except that real people are dying.

Sometimes I wish there was a war going on here. It would fix a lot of attitudes quickly. War is fucking horrible, not something to cheer about.

Why don't you STFU.

Darn right we should be in Afghanistan dealing with terrorist out there, not here like you would like it to be.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Why don't you STFU.

Darn right we should be in Afghanistan dealing with terrorist out there, not here like you would like it to be.

Just stick to your jingo and let me do the thinking around here.

Oh and "Lefty", bwhahahahahahahahah. Moron.

 

[irishScott]

Guys (you know who you are) they're cheering because now their friends and fellow soldiers won't be killed by those particular terrorists. They probably just saved multiple people's lives from religious fanatics. If that's not a cause for celebration, I don't know what is.

But nope, I'm wrong of course. All of you know better. Your empathy for those that would gladly kill you without regret or remorse is the measure of your self-worth. If you killed a rabid fox that attacked your 6 month old child you would probably cry yourself to sleep and pray for forgiveness; and for that we should respect you.

 

[zerocool84]

Normalized hatred is never a good thing. Some of you need a serious look at ethics.

I guarantee you I would never laugh about killing a man and no one worthy of ANY respect would either.

The way some of you justify this is as sick as the people doing it.

Like I said, walk in their shoes for once, do what they are doing, then come back to us. You have ZERO idea what you're talking about.

 

[TheVrolok]

Guys (you know who you are) they're cheering because now their friends and fellow soldiers won't be killed by those particular terrorists. They probably just saved multiple people's lives from religious fanatics. If that's not a cause for celebration, I don't know what is.

But nope, I'm wrong of course. All of you know better. Your empathy for those that would gladly kill you without regret or remorse is the measure of your self-worth. If you killed a rabid fox that attacked your 6 month old child you would probably cry yourself to sleep and pray for forgiveness; and for that we should respect you.

Tell us what you're really think. I also think you're putting a lot of words in people's mouths.

 

[0roo0roo]

It's some guys in a country they shouldn't be in, acting like 12 year olds playing video games, except that real people are dying.

Sometimes I wish there was a war going on here. It would fix a lot of attitudes quickly. War is fucking horrible, not something to cheer about.

bullsh*t, whats going on here is more like a targeted assassination or police action. real war? last i checked all out war meant bombing the place into rubble until they cried uncle, i'm sure you'd cheer for that.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Like I said, walk in their shoes for once, do what they are doing, then come back to us. You have ZERO idea what you're talking about.

I should lie and tell you I've been to Iraq, but you're probably too young to realize we've been there twice. At least we did the right thing once...

 

[irishScott]

Tell us what you're really think. I also think you're putting a lot of words in people's mouths.

I did, quite concisely. Can you deal with that? I noticed a lot of people here lambasting the soldiers for celebrating as they did. I pointed out that it not only makes sense, but is morally defensible. And yes I likened terrorists to rabid foxes.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

bullsh*t, whats going on here is more like a targeted assassination or police action. real war? last i checked all out war meant bombing the place into rubble until they cried uncle, i'm sure you'd cheer for that.

Nope. Just like I wouldn't gloat over killing anyone. It would just fix a lot of attitude problems. Honestly, there is still hope we may extricate ourselves from this retardation someday, so I think the cost is still too high. If we keep going down this road, and I do not mean only the war (in fact the war is only a symptom), then I may actually desire a second civil war.

Don't worry though, if you are a stateist at that point, I won't laugh over your dead body. Hell I may even bury you if there's time.

 

[TheVrolok]

I did, quite concisely. Can you deal with that? I noticed a lot of people here lambasting the soldiers for celebrating as they did. I pointed out that it not only makes sense, but is morally defensible. And yes I likened terrorists to rabid foxes.

Well, I for one was not lambasting the soldiers and also disagree with those who are/were. I think the moral ground that you're defending is more variable than you'd admit - that's fine, though, because morality is relative. I also don't disagree that terrorists aren't incredibly unlike rabid foxes, but I still think you're claiming certain people are saying more than they are.

 

[halik]

There goes $65K

 

[Cheeseplug]

I didn't see a drop of oil while I was over there.
...
I can relate any number of stories similar to the ones above. I won't say that everything we have done has made a positive impact. But I will say that when I was over there we did any number of things that improved the lives of the people who lived there.

That's great, it is always good to know that some good is coming out of such a terrible situation. But what about all the wars and genocide and corrupt gov'ts in sub-Saharan Africa? What about dictatorships in S.E. Asia? N. Korea? Why do we intervene in Iraq to stop these terrible things from happening, but then completely ignore the wholesale slaughter in a place like DRC, for instance?

We have no business being in Iraq, and never had. The whole "making their lives better" angle is a good media story, no doubt, but why make an exception for Iraq, spending ~1 trillion dollars over there and ignore other comparable, and much worse situations/governments etc.?

 

[PieIsAwesome]

There goes $65K

Yeah. Couldn't they have just shot them, or do we have no more sharpshooters?

 

[0roo0roo]

Nope. Just like I wouldn't gloat over killing anyone. It would just fix a lot of attitude problems. Honestly, there is still hope we may extricate ourselves from this retardation someday, so I think the cost is still too high. If we keep going down this road, and I do not mean only the war (in fact the war is only a symptom), then I may actually desire a second civil war.

Don't worry though, if you are a stateist at that point, I won't laugh over your dead body. Hell I may even bury you if there's time.

Its not gloating, its realism, the world is better off with some of these people who hold beliefs from the dark ages gone. I don't feel bad at all that someone out to kill us troops for the goal of building an oppressive society that oppresses women and pushes religious extremism is eliminated from the world.
They have every chance to live a peaceful productive life and build a thriving future for their children, but instead they fight to preserve backwards ways. We are only there because of the toxic mess they are willing to nurture and spread. If they stopped we'd just go away. You've lost the plot on this.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Its not gloating, its realism, the world is better off with some of these people who hold beliefs from the dark ages gone. I don't feel bad at all that someone out to kill us troops for the goal of building an oppressive society that oppresses women and pushes religious extremism is eliminated from the world.
They have every chance to live a peaceful productive life and build a thriving future for their children, but instead they fight to preserve backwards ways. We are only there because of the toxic mess they are willing to nurture and spread. If they stopped we'd just go away. You've lost the plot on this.

I have never seen one case in history where violence has changed someone's mind.

You want Iraq to change, show them why freedom is so great, not why their idea is so wrong.

Please also keep in mind that the people fighting us over there are mindless dupes driven by poverty. It is easy to control large groups of the disenfranchised. Fuck, just dumping the cash we have spent on the war there in piles would do more to change their minds.

You catch more with honey.

We're on the same page as far as wishing for change in that region. We're on the same page as far as religion goes. We only disagree on the method.

BTW, most of the people fighting on our side are disenfranchised mindless dupes as well. See the video for evidence.

 

[ixelion]

That was quite satisfying to watch. These people are criminals, therefore, they surrender their rights to be treated as persons. In which case they are lucky to receive a painless death.

 

[nick1985]

Tell us what you're really think. I also think you're putting a lot of words in people's mouths.

I think he's spot on

 

[jersiq]

I have never seen one case in history where violence has changed someone's mind.

You want Iraq to change, show them why freedom is so great, not why their idea is so wrong.

Please also keep in mind that the people fighting us over there are mindless dupes driven by poverty. It is easy to control large groups of the disenfranchised. Fuck, just dumping the cash we have spent on the war there in piles would do more to change their minds.

You catch more with honey.

We're on the same page as far as wishing for change in that region. We're on the same page as far as religion goes. We only disagree on the method.

BTW, most of the people fighting on our side are disenfranchised mindless dupes as well. See the video for evidence.

Did you fall asleep during Somalia or something? What happens when we send aid to an impoverished nation?

 

[datalink7]

I have never seen one case in history where violence has changed someone's mind.

You want Iraq to change, show them why freedom is so great, not why their idea is so wrong.

Please also keep in mind that the people fighting us over there are mindless dupes driven by poverty. It is easy to control large groups of the disenfranchised. Fuck, just dumping the cash we have spent on the war there in piles would do more to change their minds.

You catch more with honey.

We're on the same page as far as wishing for change in that region. We're on the same page as far as religion goes. We only disagree on the method.

BTW, most of the people fighting on our side are disenfranchised mindless dupes as well. See the video for evidence.

I'm sorry, but your lack of experience is telling.

One of the greatest accomplishments of my Company was starting the reconciliation of the Baghdad Shia and Sunni factions. We used the first three or four months for heavy intelligence gathering on key players in our area of operations. We then figured out who was reconcilable, and who was not.

We utilized combat operations to neutralize the thugs in our area. By making them powerless, we gave power to the local populous. We held localized elections (nothing "official" in the government system but each community went to voting areas and cast votes for local representatives). We then brought those representatives to a building we called the "reconciliation building".

At first, each side wouldn't talk to each other. In fact, we had to do a very thorough weapons check at the door otherwise violence would have erupted. But we sat them down at the table and forced them to talk. To discuss their issues. We pointed out the harm they were doing when they attacked each other, and highlighted the good that could be accomplished by working together.

Like I said, in the beginning they were at each other throats and we had to have Soldiers in the meetings to pull them apart.

By the time we left, they were holding and conducting their own meetings without our presence. Violence between the two sides had dropped by 92 percent.

However, there was still a minority faction of hardcore thugs. They would attack the meetings, or try to assassinate the elected representatives (even of their own "Shia" or "Sunni" faction). These people could not be won over with "honey". So we went after them and captured or killed them. By the end of my deployment, there was only one holdout group in the very south of our area of operations (whereas before groups of insurgents and thugs had controlled everything, including the police).

And as for your statement "BTW, most of the people fighting on our side are disenfranchised mindless dupes as well. See the video for evidence." The video is hardly evidence of that. The video reaction is a normal reaction to war. It is simply your opinion that they are "disenfranchised mindless dupes" so don't try to present it as anything but.

 

[TheVrolok]

I think he's spot on

For some people, perhaps.

 

[0roo0roo]

I have never seen one case in history where violence has changed someone's mind.

You want Iraq to change, show them why freedom is so great, not why their idea is so wrong.

Please also keep in mind that the people fighting us over there are mindless dupes driven by poverty. It is easy to control large groups of the disenfranchised. Fuck, just dumping the cash we have spent on the war there in piles would do more to change their minds.

You catch more with honey.

We're on the same page as far as wishing for change in that region. We're on the same page as far as religion goes. We only disagree on the method.

BTW, most of the people fighting on our side are disenfranchised mindless dupes as well. See the video for evidence.

ww2 for start. like it or not, there are fewer nazi's in germany these days.
you catch nothing with honey, people take charity easily, and it changes nothing, they might be grateful for 5 minutes, but it turns to envy, entitlement, and hate rather readily.
poverty..please. some of the worst terrorists are college educated folk, just look at the 9/11 bombers, no one was bombing their families or razing their homes. Its ideology like it or not.

 

[dwell]

You want Iraq to change, show them why freedom is so great, not why their idea is so wrong.

You forget our enemies have been brainwashed since birth by a violent ideology. What are we supposed to do? Open a Starbucks @ Mecca or something?

 

[Number1]

I have never seen one case in history where violence has changed someone's mind.

You want Iraq to change, show them why freedom is so great, not why their idea is so wrong.

Please also keep in mind that the people fighting us over there are mindless dupes driven by poverty. It is easy to control large groups of the disenfranchised. Fuck, just dumping the cash we have spent on the war there in piles would do more to change their minds.

You catch more with honey.

We're on the same page as far as wishing for change in that region. We're on the same page as far as religion goes. We only disagree on the method.

BTW, most of the people fighting on our side are disenfranchised mindless dupes as well. See the video for evidence.

We changed the mind of the Japanese people with nuclear weapons. Was that not violent? They are now a prosperous democratic society.


Shower our enemy with money you say and they will change their minds. Ya right, they will only ask for more.

And labeling all our soldiers as mindless dupe only show how fucking retarded you are.

Only leftists like you come up with "do gooder" ideas like this.