I take it you've never played games like Street Fighter 2 Turbo or Mortal Kombat 2? Those games were notorious for cheating.
In SF2T, Guile could be walking and all of a sudden do a flash kick if you jumped towards him (if you don't know, human players have to charge for something like 2 seconds before they can do this special move).
The computer opponents in MK2 were also notorious for knowing how to counter every time you jumped towards them.
mugs
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Nah, that's not cheating, that's just an inherent advantage of being a computer. It counters the inherent disadvantage of being a computer - not having a brain.
The fog of war thing is cheating. Certainly it's impossible for a computer to NOT know where every unit on the board is and what the entire map looks like, but to make use of that information is clearly cheating.
That didn't bother me as much about the C&C series as the "1 harvester load completely fills all the computer's silos" AI "cheat".
If you've ever played a 1vs1 2vs1 ..7vs1 on Starcraft, you'll notice the computer calculates your troop strength before it attacks. They build up a predetermined attack army, based on what you are building. Once the finish building the force it will attack your base without scouting. Frankly, that smacks of "fog of war" hacks to me. Something Blizzard banned people for doing...
Of course combat units would never attack buildings with melee, and you could put bunkers behind barracks and depots. A cheap tatic that more or less worked with a player, but the player could at least attack the buildings while the computer just dies from the ranged fire.
Of course combat units would never attack buildings with melee, and you could put bunkers behind barracks and depots. A cheap tatic that more or less worked with a player, but the player could at least attack the buildings while the computer just dies from the ranged fire.
Yeah it had no Fog of War. In most rts, the hard level also gather 2x the minerals per worker, so they can tech faster, etc. IIRC that is how the wc3 and sc hard levels work.
Fenixgoon
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N64 - perfect dark bots... i had weapons set to RL's (the one where you can fly the missile) and the bots would fly the missile across the entire fvcking level to where i spawned and kill me. fvck you rare for perfect dark, that overrated POS game with worthless bots and crappy weapons!!!:|
Lasthitlarry
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Not that anyone else plays it, but Starcraft computer always knows where the person with the worst defense is, and know where all the human players bases are...
numerous other games have cheating computers...
numerous other games have cheating computers...
uh, they DO cheat. bad racing games, cars behind always catch up. fps games, the damn ai enemy always knows where you are even if you pop your head out 1/2 an inch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HamburgerBoy
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MartyMcFly3
Lifer
Kinda related only not AI based. Crazy floormate of my freshman year in college got pissed off so much at Halo whenever we played. Overall he just sucked compared to us, but he always blamed the game for his lack of kills. During the game he'd often yell "The Game is FLAWED!!!" or "There is NO way I should have died there!" and he also threatened to write to Bungie to complain. He also thought the game was against his created player, making his health go down faster than ours causing him to die quicker.
Basically he just sucked.
Basically he just sucked.
in need for speed most wanted, the ai cars cheat in the drag racing modes. they can drive on the sidewalks and stuff while your car cant drive on sidewalks. Just stuck to two plain ol lanes or so.
The best cheating was disabling fog of war in Empire Earth 1 and watching the cpu building things he couldn't even afford especially since he wasn't harvesting any resources at the time (start of game). IIRC, the AI in EE didn't need resources, it just harvested them for looks. Well known cheating but not a big deal, it was supposed to be make the AI more difficult although I'd rather just have an AI that was a better player than you.
As if the 5 million units attacking in the first 3 minutes wasn't a big enough clue that the AI cheated.
apoppin
Lifer
Yes . . .
. . .
absolutely
[the consensus is that the games don't cheat , , , the developers (and players) do]
The new mario kart cheats as well
Drive full blast in a straight line and they will pass you like youre not even moving if youre in 1st.
PingSpike
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Yeah, thats what I hate most about the starcraft AI. Its like the computer has tons of spies in your base. They do no scouting. You'll notice that the computer always attacks the weakest player as well...something thats frustrating for newbie players that are trying to play in a team against multiple computers.
But yes...the computer pretty much refuses to attack supply depots until units that are capable of defending themselves are destroyed. If the only way to attack the defensive units is to destroy supply depots first, the computer will choose to have its units mill around the supply depots while getting shot. Since the computer cheats all the time, I consider exploiting this AI disadvantage simply evening the scales.
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