PSA - Toyota recalls vehicles over acceleration problem

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: fleabag

YOU CANT KILL THE ENGINE BECAUSE IT'S PUSH BUTTON WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO RETARDED.

That seems like a bigger flaw.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb
How does the car accelerate when the mat is under the pedal?

Or do they mean lack of decceleration due to inability to press the brake firmly.

I have not noticed this issue in my dads ES350. We use the All weather rubber mats and they are tied down

You just answered your own question w/o realizing it.

They are OEM though...

Even the OEM carpet mats beneath it are hooked down..

I still don't follow where the issue is?

The monkeys working at your local full service car wash don't hook them down after they wash them though. They just place them back in the car and owners, for the most part, don't give it a second thought. Every time I get in my wife's car her mats are askew and I place them properly and hook them back in place.

This is partially a result of cars becoming more powerful in recent years. The average driver doesn't need or use that power nor are they capable of dealing with it when suddenly confronted by it. Big plush carpets are also something that buyers look for as a sign of quality, they don't ever consider that it's just something to get stuck up under the accelerator pedal.

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: ja1484
Good excuse to buy a set of weathertechs.

I own two Toyotas and no OEM floor mats, so it looks like I'm safe. In any event, people need to keep a little presence of mind in these situations...folks, if the vehicle appears out of control, pop her in neutral, get on the brake, and coast her to the emergency lane. Then kill the engine, shift to park/in gear, hit the e/parking brake, and find out what the hell is going on and/or call AAA...

YOU CANT KILL THE ENGINE BECAUSE IT'S PUSH BUTTON WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO RETARDED.

Yes, you can kill the engine. You hold the button in.

I am always amazed at a driver's inability to deal with a stuck throttle.

 

[LTC8K6]

Maybe I should yell too:

YES YOU CAN KILL THE ENGINE! YOU HOLD THE BUTTON IN!

Of course, this guy was unfamiliar with the car and it had the wrong mats in it.

Folks, if you have a push button start, please familiarize yourself with how to kill the engine.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: ja1484
Good excuse to buy a set of weathertechs.

I own two Toyotas and no OEM floor mats, so it looks like I'm safe. In any event, people need to keep a little presence of mind in these situations...folks, if the vehicle appears out of control, pop her in neutral, get on the brake, and coast her to the emergency lane. Then kill the engine, shift to park/in gear, hit the e/parking brake, and find out what the hell is going on and/or call AAA...

YOU CANT KILL THE ENGINE BECAUSE IT'S PUSH BUTTON WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO RETARDED.

Yes, you can kill the engine. You hold the button in.

I am always amazed at a driver's inability to deal with a stuck throttle.

Yup, people spend thousands on something but then they can't be bothered to open the owner's manual to figure out how to use it.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: ja1484
Good excuse to buy a set of weathertechs.

I own two Toyotas and no OEM floor mats, so it looks like I'm safe. In any event, people need to keep a little presence of mind in these situations...folks, if the vehicle appears out of control, pop her in neutral, get on the brake, and coast her to the emergency lane. Then kill the engine, shift to park/in gear, hit the e/parking brake, and find out what the hell is going on and/or call AAA...

YOU CANT KILL THE ENGINE BECAUSE IT'S PUSH BUTTON WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO RETARDED.

Yes, you can kill the engine. You hold the button in.

I am always amazed at a driver's inability to deal with a stuck throttle.

Yup, people spend thousands on something but then they can't be bothered to open the owner's manual to figure out how to use it.

That would lock the steering wheel.

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: ja1484
Good excuse to buy a set of weathertechs.

I own two Toyotas and no OEM floor mats, so it looks like I'm safe. In any event, people need to keep a little presence of mind in these situations...folks, if the vehicle appears out of control, pop her in neutral, get on the brake, and coast her to the emergency lane. Then kill the engine, shift to park/in gear, hit the e/parking brake, and find out what the hell is going on and/or call AAA...

YOU CANT KILL THE ENGINE BECAUSE IT'S PUSH BUTTON WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO RETARDED.

Yes, you can kill the engine. You hold the button in.

I am always amazed at a driver's inability to deal with a stuck throttle.

Yup, people spend thousands on something but then they can't be bothered to open the owner's manual to figure out how to use it.

That would lock the steering wheel.

When you hold the button in, the wheel does not lock, iirc.

 

[LTC8K6]

Also, in some DBW cars, continued pressing of the brake and the throttle will cause the computer to shut the engine off.

 

[LTC8K6]

Of course we should not assume the car isn't at fault. There have been complaints that the cars would not shift into neutral and that the brakes didn't work with a flashing brake malfunction light.

Someone said with the brake and the throttle pressed at the same time, the shifter would not go into N.

It's too easy to second guess at this point and a whole family is dead.

 

[LTC8K6]

With electric power steering, as we have in many vehicles, you'd still have power steering...

Does the steering wheel lock at all with push button start?

Anyone own one that can tell us?

 

[StageLeft]

In several cases, drivers said their vehicle accelerated to more than 100 m.p.h., despite stomping on the brake.

bullsh*t

Brakes > throttle.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yes, we would have to have a brake system failure as well.

IIRC, stopping distance for a modern car in good shape is not much different with the throttle held wide open.

It could be that the driver is not stepping on the brakes hard enough in the initial stages of the stuck accelerator. This could cause the brakes to overheat.

Also, I would think that a Lexus has brake assist, which gives you max braking automatically.

 

[LTC8K6]

witnesses said the car?s tires were on fire when it crashed ? possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes.

Sounds like he may have cooked the brakes by not using them properly when the car first began to accelerate.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

witnesses said the car?s tires were on fire when it crashed ? possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes.

Sounds like he may have cooked the brakes by not using them properly when the car first began to accelerate.

Damn, Still taking it out of gear = win

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb
How does the car accelerate when the mat is under the pedal?

Or do they mean lack of decceleration due to inability to press the brake firmly.

I have not noticed this issue in my dads ES350. We use the All weather rubber mats and they are tied down

You just answered your own question w/o realizing it.

They are OEM though...

Even the OEM carpet mats beneath it are hooked down..

I still don't follow where the issue is?

Go read the OP news article again. Why do you fail comprehension so badly?

So the recall is about non-oem floor mats causing problems?

 

[LTC8K6]

No, it's OEM floor mats as far as I know. Complaints have been with OEM floor mats even though the vehicle in question may have had the wrong mats in it.

It may be that any floor mat of sufficient thickness can cause the problem.

 

[zoiks]

Toyota knew about the mats from long ago. I heard about this problem like a year back.
Pretty shitty IMO. So much for all the fanboys who defended Toyota for being proactive.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb
How does the car accelerate when the mat is under the pedal?

Or do they mean lack of decceleration due to inability to press the brake firmly.

I have not noticed this issue in my dads ES350. We use the All weather rubber mats and they are tied down

You just answered your own question w/o realizing it.

They are OEM though...

Even the OEM carpet mats beneath it are hooked down..

I still don't follow where the issue is?

Go read the OP news article again. Why do you fail comprehension so badly?

So the recall is about non-oem floor mats causing problems?

Damn dude just read the article. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: ja1484
Good excuse to buy a set of weathertechs.

I own two Toyotas and no OEM floor mats, so it looks like I'm safe. In any event, people need to keep a little presence of mind in these situations...folks, if the vehicle appears out of control, pop her in neutral, get on the brake, and coast her to the emergency lane. Then kill the engine, shift to park/in gear, hit the e/parking brake, and find out what the hell is going on and/or call AAA...

YOU CANT KILL THE ENGINE BECAUSE IT'S PUSH BUTTON WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT SO RETARDED.

Do you guys read articles when they are posted or just like to spew random things?

For models with engine start/stop buttons, Toyota said the engine can be shut off by holding the button down for three seconds.

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: mb

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb
How does the car accelerate when the mat is under the pedal?

Or do they mean lack of decceleration due to inability to press the brake firmly.

I have not noticed this issue in my dads ES350. We use the All weather rubber mats and they are tied down

You just answered your own question w/o realizing it.

They are OEM though...

Even the OEM carpet mats beneath it are hooked down..

I still don't follow where the issue is?

Go read the OP news article again. Why do you fail comprehension so badly?

So the recall is about non-oem floor mats causing problems?

Damn dude just read the article. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I read it douchebag, article does not distinguish OEM floor mats or aftermarket.. simply states "floor mats".

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

In several cases, drivers said their vehicle accelerated to more than 100 m.p.h., despite stomping on the brake.

bullsh*t

Brakes > throttle.

In a 911 call, one of the passengers said the Lexus was speeding at 120 m.p.h., and witnesses said the car?s tires were on fire when it crashed ? possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes.

Obviously we don't know at what point he slammed the brakes or when the tires caught on fire, but it sounds like the brakes failed in his case. On the call he did say something along the lines of "there's no brakes."

Still a shame he didn't put it in neutral or rip the mat out before things got so bad.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: mb

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: BassBomb
How does the car accelerate when the mat is under the pedal?

Or do they mean lack of decceleration due to inability to press the brake firmly.

I have not noticed this issue in my dads ES350. We use the All weather rubber mats and they are tied down

You just answered your own question w/o realizing it.

They are OEM though...

Even the OEM carpet mats beneath it are hooked down..

I still don't follow where the issue is?

Go read the OP news article again. Why do you fail comprehension so badly?

So the recall is about non-oem floor mats causing problems?

Damn dude just read the article. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I read it douchebag, article does not distinguish OEM floor mats or aftermarket.. simply states "floor mats".

So what do you think that means then? Damn, it is not that difficult to understand.
Would you like me to hold your hand while I read you a book?

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: mb
So what do you think that means then? Damn, it is not that difficult to understand.
Would you like me to hold your hand while I read you a book?

Sure that would be great. You didn't have to respond to my question anyways.

So I will make a statement now since its apparently so obvious..

Even OEM mats tied down properly are affected by the recall.



EDIT: I guess you win.. There is a page 2 to that article that I never noticed

 

[JJ650]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

In several cases, drivers said their vehicle accelerated to more than 100 m.p.h., despite stomping on the brake.

bullsh*t

Brakes > throttle.

???????

I promise you that the engine stuck at WOT is way more than what those brakes can compensate for, especially at the speed they were travelling at.

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: Skoorb

In several cases, drivers said their vehicle accelerated to more than 100 m.p.h., despite stomping on the brake.

bullsh*t

Brakes > throttle.

???????

I promise you that the engine stuck at WOT is way more than what those brakes can compensate for, especially at the speed they were travelling at.

Nope. Brakes are way more powerful than the engine and will easily bring a car in good condition to a stop even with the throttle held wide open.

The problem comes from the loss of power assist when people do not do the right thing when the throttle sticks. They use up the power assist by trying out the brakes a few times.

You have to get on the brakes hard and stay on them while you try to find neutral and turn off the engine.