PSA: Taxes on ALL ONLINE purchases are imminent

[DrPizza]

Disagree totally. Government keeps asking for more of my money and this is not okay.
I don't know why everyone is okay with paying taxes to begin with.

What is the justification for this tax increase? There should be an opt out to this. Any idiot that wants to pay this tax can go ahead, I'm tired of my money going to someone else.

If that means cuts to programs because the government didn't get to steal from me then so be it. This is legal theft out of my pocket and I don't agree with it.

Earth to Oakenfold, Earth to Oakenfold, come in Oakenfold. It's not a tax increase. YOU have been dodging the taxes that you have been legally obligated to pay. Sales tax has been around longer than you have. They are just closing a hole that enabled so many people to evade paying the taxes which they are legally obligated to pay.

 

[Craig234]

You pay it then.
p.s. your qualifications are flawed. Social security is a scam and you know it.

I do, and you should as well. No, they're not. No, it isn't.

Does that cover it?

 

[Jeff7]

As mentioned in the P&N thread, I'd lmao if somehow the states were able to use something like CISPA to get the records of a lot of online companies, then go after people who didn't pay the use taxes as well as tack on a bunch of penalties.

Something else to look forward to: Intelligent computers that can read and interpret our legal code.

With the utterly ridiculous sheer quantity of laws we've got, there's got to be an absolutely incredible amount of money to be made in fines and restitution from violations of old, obscure, and contradictory laws which have been forgotten, or are simply not possible to properly enforce - at least until the invention of machines that can spy on everyone, everywhere, at any time. And hey, we're certainly making progress working toward that.
I'd challenge any person to be able to prove that they truly understand and remember every law on the books. I don't think the human brain is wired to do that. Maybe someone like Kim Peek could remember them all, but would lack the ability to interpret them.
People have difficulty writing simple little computer programs without "undocumented features" showing up. Our legal code consists of documents that are sometimes written to deliberately obfuscate their true intent - and it lacks anything like a compiler which could at least tell us that we've done something stupid, or a virtual environment where it could be tested first.




But, yes....that sort of CISPA/use tax thing would kind of suck. I don't think my mind even contained the concept of a "use tax" until sometime in the past few years. I thought it was that if you bought something from some entity in your state, sales tax was collected. Otherwise, there was no tax, and that's just how it was, whether it be online, or from a printed catalog.
I think you'd have many tens of millions of people getting knocked back to the Stone Age though, with the resulting fines and penalties.

 

[SP33Demon]

How will this affect the five states (DE, NH, AK, OR, MT) without sales tax?

Time to move again once my 5 day telecommute goal is complete, fuck this bill.

 

[ViRGE]

How will this affect the five states (DE, NH, AK, OR, MT) without sales tax?

Time to move again once my 5 day telecommute goal is complete, fuck this bill.

It doesn't. Sales tax is charged based on the location of the recipient, so if your state doesn't have a sales tax then you aren't charged as there's no one to pay.

 

[LTC8K6]

Earth to Oakenfold, Earth to Oakenfold, come in Oakenfold. It's not a tax increase. YOU have been dodging the taxes that you have been legally obligated to pay. Sales tax has been around longer than you have. They are just closing a hole that enabled so many people to evade paying the taxes which they are legally obligated to pay.

I don't think anyone has been dodging anything. The SC said the company had to have a presence in the state for the state to require sales tax collection.

Congress is now attempting to remove that restriction.

In Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, the Supreme Court ruled that a business must have a physical presence in a state for that state to require it to collect sales taxes. However, the court explicitly stated that Congress can overrule the decision through legislation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill_Corp._v._North_Dakota

 

[lxskllr]

I don't think anyone has been dodging anything. The SC said the company had to have a presence in the state for the state to require sales tax collection.

Congress is now attempting to remove that restriction.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill_Corp._v._North_Dakota

You're still supposed to pay though. All your purchases online should be reported to your state when you do taxes. This just mandates the collection by companies.

I would propose a flat tax by non resident online sellers that works for every state. Let's say 5%. Some states will win, some will lose, but all will do better than they do now.

 

[LTC8K6]

You're still supposed to pay though. All your purchases online should be reported to your state when you do taxes. This just mandates the collection by companies.

I would propose a flat tax by non resident online sellers that works for every state. Let's say 5%. Some states will win, some will lose, but all will do better than they do now.

So let each state collect from it's residents that fail to pay the tax. It's their problem if the retailer has no state presence.

You've got state/city/locality use taxes. You've got states that don't charge a tax, but cities or localities in that state that do charge a tax.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/24/the-real-problem-with-the-internet-sales-tax.html

 

[KK]

I don't think anyone has been dodging anything. The SC said the company had to have a presence in the state for the state to require sales tax collection.

Congress is now attempting to remove that restriction.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill_Corp._v._North_Dakota

So will the SC rule the new legislation illegal.

 

[Oakenfold]

Earth to Oakenfold, Earth to Oakenfold, come in Oakenfold. It's not a tax increase. YOU have been dodging the taxes that you have been legally obligated to pay. Sales tax has been around longer than you have. They are just closing a hole that enabled so many people to evade paying the taxes which they are legally obligated to pay.

I'm familiar with the use tax, do you pay it? Assuming Craig's statistics are valid 6% of people pay the tax. Where is the money going to go when the other 94% pay? Why aren't the 94% of Americans in jail for tax evasion?

How have we operated as a country without this income? Why collect it now? Why should the government have more of our income? If you ask your boss for a raise you would have to justify it. This is no different.

The government has not done so and should not have the authority to continue to rob this country because people are slackers and not willing to stand up to the idiots in office. I find it to be disgusting that people think they should tell me what to do with my paycheck.

I do, and you should as well. No, they're not. No, it isn't.

Does that cover it?

Good for you! I'm glad you are okay with giving your money away. Now stop telling me I have to do the same. You go along and be happy to continue to give your paycheck to people that did not earn it and are nothing but parasites including those in office.

 

[Mixolydian]

Disagree totally. Government keeps asking for more of my money and this is not okay.
I don't know why everyone is okay with paying taxes to begin with.

ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

do you drive on roads? it costs money to maintain them.
the police and fire departments that protect you, cost money to maintain them.

we must all pay taxes. deal with it.

 

[Oakenfold]

ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

do you drive on roads? it costs money to maintain them.
the police and fire departments that protect you, cost money to maintain them.

we must all pay taxes. deal with it.

Yeah but we pay enough already...

 

[destrekor]

Yeah but we pay enough already...

If you buy online, you likely pay less than you used too.

Just sayin'

 

[destrekor]

I don't think anyone has been dodging anything. The SC said the company had to have a presence in the state for the state to require sales tax collection.

Congress is now attempting to remove that restriction.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill_Corp._v._North_Dakota

For the state to require the corporation to collect the sales tax from the buyers.

It's the same in Ohio. Amazon doesn't collect tax in Ohio - but technically speaking, Ohio citizens are supposed to report it come tax time and pay up.

 

[LTC8K6]

For the state to require the corporation to collect the sales tax from the buyers.

It's the same in Ohio. Amazon doesn't collect tax in Ohio - but technically speaking, Ohio citizens are supposed to report it come tax time and pay up.

Yes. I reported my purchases to NC and paid the tax.

 

[destrekor]

Yeah but we pay enough already...

Do you like well-kept roads? Modern food safety? Work safety programs? Safety inspections to the umph degree? Technological and scientific advancements? Educational programs? Obamacare? Support any of the past and/or future wars? Securing our borders? Other efforts to secure and protect what is ours from both enemies and nature (surveillance satellites, radar systems, USGS, FDA, NOAA, etc)?

It costs money. And the more the population wants out of government, either we have to pay more, or we have to sacrifice certain things in order to get the new things.
That's the beauty and pain of living in a democratic republic - what regional majorities say, is what we have to follow. If they say we want this and this, and thus, we all have to pay more, if you voted in the minority, you still have to pay. Better luck next voting season.

Is there a ton of waste, bad planning, and vile scum in the government? Oh hell yes.
But with the value of the dollar constantly on the decline since just about the beginning of time (for the dollar), and the increasingly large role of government, there is no escaping the fact that we will have to pay more. They have to get more creative with what we give them, and we need to demand that, but we'll still have to pay more.
And modern life simply costs more for all of us, period. That includes the government. Modern infrastructure is far more expensive than it has ever been. Due to previous ignorance and lack of foresight, even the planning stage costs a heck of a lot more than it ever did, and the inspection and maintenance side of things has also increased drastically.

And frankly, with wars having been fought for over a decade, I'm shocked and in awe that taxes are still being kept at previous tax-cut levels.
Generally, with war, taxes must increase to fund it. I think most of past decade has seen taxes continue to decline, not rise.
Most of us absolutely love that, of course, but we also shake our heads realizing all these backwards decisions are simply leading the shovel to dig this hole deeper. We can't have it all and do it all, and expect to pay less.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I can't believe people are whining that their ability to cheat and not pay sales tax is being taken away.

"OMG, I have to abide by the law and pay sales taxes like I should have been, no fair!"

 

[destrekor]

I can't believe people are whining that their ability to cheat and not pay sales tax is being taken away.

"OMG, I have to abide by the law and pay sales taxes like I should have been, no fair!"

I don't always want to follow the law to the letter, but I agree with your post.

Some laws shouldn't be, but this one always was, and -- unless something "holy shit aliens!" changes -- always will be.

 

[WilliamM2]

I see a market for a database company tracking sales tax rates and linking them to zip codes.

That market has existed for years. We use these guys:

http://www.taxdatasystems.com/database_products_index.asp

 

[Jeff7]

Yeah but we pay enough already...

Go to a store and try walking out after paying for half the items in your cart.

"I paid enough already."

...

And frankly, with wars having been fought for over a decade, I'm shocked and in awe that taxes are still being kept at previous tax-cut levels.
Generally, with war, taxes must increase to fund it. I think most of past decade has seen taxes continue to decline, not rise.
Most of us absolutely love that, of course, but we also shake our heads realizing all these backwards decisions are simply leading the shovel to dig this hole deeper. We can't have it all and do it all, and expect to pay less.

Particularly for those who already have more money. Give them more money, so that they can stimulate the economy by laying off more lower- and middle-class workers, thus reducing payroll and insurance expenses, and also ensuring that those former workers have less money to spend on consumables.
Or at least I assume that's how it's supposed to work, because they've done an effective job of creating that kind of environment.

 

[IronWing]

Yeah but we pay enough already...

16 trillion in debt suggests we don't.

 

[CZroe]

16 trillion in debt suggests we don't.

Cue "we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem."

That's P&N territory.

 

[Flash1969]

16 trillion in debt suggests we don't.

All that shows is our governments incompetence with the money they already collect

Cue "we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem."

That's P&N territory.

Lol

 

[SparkyJJO]

Cue "we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem."

That's P&N territory.

We have more taxes than you can shake a stick at, yet we keep getting told "it isn't enough!" So YES, we have a horrific spending problem. Spending money we don't have and then expecting others to pay for it instead of living within our means.

Some of it could be solved if they at least just watched the books a little closer as the government seems to love just throwing money around (OUR money, by the way) without paying that much attention to what is really happening with it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

It really kind of surprises me so many people who want more taxing. Just shows how split the country really is. Maybe you can have my portion.