PSA: Second-hand smoke does NOT cause cancer

[Accipiter22]

I had actually forgotten all about this till I saw an episode of Pen& Teller's Bullshit. The big study in the early 90s that really blew the lid of smoking said it found a non-statistically significant risk associated with inhalation of 2nd hand smoke. For people that never took stats that means the study could not determine if the risk actually came from 2nd hand smoke or something else. This did not stop the media from throwing more blame on cigarette companies. They also continue to cite the risks, even doctors do it, despite the fact that study after study after study has found no elevated risk from inhaling 2nd hand smoke. There has never been a study which has found a statistically significant link between 2nd hand smoke and any form of disease.


edit: The point of the Penn & Teller bullshit episode was even the surgeon general is quoting piss-poor faulted statistics. It's like a game to see who can condemn smokers the most, and if you cut them ANY slack, you're satan.

 

[IronWing]

The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: ironwing
The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

Owned much?

 

[bignateyk]

meh.. im sure with continued exposure over a long period of time it does, but either way, I think the people that bitch about second hand smoke and use that as an excuse need to get a life.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
meh.. im sure with continued exposure over a long period of time it does, but either way, I think the people that bitch about second hand smoke and use that as an excuse need to get a life.

I think smokers who subject others to their smoke need to DIAF.

 

[DainBramaged]

According to irishScott's links, Second hand smoke has twice the nicotine and tar as first hand smoke

 

[Mrfrog840]

OP just got told by the surgeon general.... I agree I quit going to a couple of my friends houses who smoke indoors...



I get a runny nose and headaches if I stay over there too long and just roast in second hand smoke

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: ironwing
The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

that was the point of the Penn & Teller bullshit episode, even the surgeon general is quoting piss-poor faulted statistics. It's like a game to see who can condemn smokers the most, and if you cut them ANY slack, you're satan.

 

[erub]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: bignateyk
meh.. im sure with continued exposure over a long period of time it does, but either way, I think the people that bitch about second hand smoke and use that as an excuse need to get a life.

I think smokers who subject others to their smoke need to DIAF.

QFT. Or TPAD!!!

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: ironwing
The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

that was the point of the Penn & Teller bullshit episode, even the surgeon general is quoting piss-poor faulted statistics. It's like a game to see who can condemn smokers the most, and if you cut them ANY slack, you're satan.

Sounds reasonable. Smokers who subject others to their smoke deserve no slack.

 

[Mackie2k]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
I had actually forgotten all about this till I saw an episode of Pen& Teller's Bullshit. The big study in the early 90s that really blew the lid of smoking said it found a non-statistically significant risk associated with inhalation of 2nd hand smoke. For people that never took stats that means the study could not determine if the risk actually came from 2nd hand smoke or something else. This did not stop the media from throwing more blame on cigarette companies. They also continue to cite the risks, even doctors do it, despite the fact that study after study after study has found no elevated risk from inhaling 2nd hand smoke. There has never been a study which has found a statistically significant link between 2nd hand smoke and any form of disease.

No Stank you.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: ironwing
The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

that was the point of the Penn & Teller bullshit episode, even the surgeon general is quoting piss-poor faulted statistics. It's like a game to see who can condemn smokers the most, and if you cut them ANY slack, you're satan.

Sounds reasonable. Smokers who subject others to their smoke deserve no slack.

why? it smells nice and has no ill effects

 

[erub]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: ironwing
The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

that was the point of the Penn & Teller bullshit episode, even the surgeon general is quoting piss-poor faulted statistics. It's like a game to see who can condemn smokers the most, and if you cut them ANY slack, you're satan.

hurry up and take another puff, maybe if you smokers would puff a little more, you could not make it to 65 and help safe social security! how much does lung cancer cost medicare these days?

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: erub

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: ironwing
The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

that was the point of the Penn & Teller bullshit episode, even the surgeon general is quoting piss-poor faulted statistics. It's like a game to see who can condemn smokers the most, and if you cut them ANY slack, you're satan.

hurry up and take another puff, maybe if you smokers would puff a little more, you could not make it to 65 and help safe social security! how much does lung cancer cost medicare these days?

I don't smoke. I think it's disgusting

 

[flamingelephant]

i don't need some statistical analysis for me to know that when I am in a room with smokers I feel terrible afterwards and my clothes stink. Smoke isn't good for you.... I don't care what the statistics say

 

[1sikbITCH]

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[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: bignateyk
meh.. im sure with continued exposure over a long period of time it does, but either way, I think the people that bitch about second hand smoke and use that as an excuse need to get a life.

I think smokers who subject others to their smoke need to DIAF.

QFT

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: ironwing
The Surgeon General says you're full of shiit.

that was the point of the Penn & Teller bullshit episode, even the surgeon general is quoting piss-poor faulted statistics. It's like a game to see who can condemn smokers the most, and if you cut them ANY slack, you're satan.

Sounds reasonable. Smokers who subject others to their smoke deserve no slack.

why? it smells nice and has no ill effects

Quote some sources non-"piss-poor faulted statistics" because every study I've read that's conducted by an independent group has confirmed that first-hand smoke and second-hand smoke are terrible for you.

 

[Atheus]

It really annoys me when people hate on my smoking - if you don't like it, then fvck off somewhere else, it's that simple.

Walking down a city street you inhale more smoke and harmful chemicals than sitting next to a smoker anyway, but no one complains about that, no - those are socially acceptable carcinogens.

 

[mfs378]

Originally posted by: Atheus
It really annoys me when people hate on my smoking - if you don't like it, then fvck off somewhere else, it's that simple.

Walking down a city street you inhale more smoke and harmful chemicals than sitting next to a smoker anyway, but no one complains about that, no - those are socially acceptable carcinogens.

What socially acceptable carcinogens?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: flamingelephant
i don't need some statistical analysis for me to know that when I am in a room with smokers I feel terrible afterwards and my clothes stink.

I had to room with a smoker for one quarter in college. Because of the smoke, I stunk, my clothes stunk, my books stunk...even my computer stunk (and I could never get that smell out of my computer - I even had to sell it to a smoker more than two years later!).

Being around smokers is like being around people with terrible BO, it's rude and they are imposing their disgusting lifestyle on the unwilling people around them, only the smell of smoke follows you afterwards (i.e. smoking is worse than having bad BO - at least you get get away from the BO and leave it behind).

I am not "sensitive" to smoke, nor do I base my opinion on whether or not smoking causes cancer: It stinks.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Atheus
It really annoys me when people hate on my smoking - if you don't like it, then fvck off somewhere else, it's that simple.

If you were smoking already and they sat down next to you, then I agree with you.

If they were there first or you were not smoking when they got there, then it is you who should probably fvck off somewhere else.

MotionMan

 

[mugs]

I don't care if it causes cancer. I just think it's very rude to smoke indoors around non-smokers. Do you think we all want our clothes to smell like cigarette smoke?

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: mfs378


What socially acceptable carcinogens?

How about many of the things banned in CA. but acceptable in the other 49?

 

[NiteWulf]

Why would anyone think that inhaling somke from five feet away is any different than inhaling smoke from the end of a cig?