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PSA: Nobody cares that you "climbed Everest" anymore

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CharlesKozierok said:
What makes you think that they didn't go through acclimation? They'd have never made it to the top without it.

Again, how do you know?

Are you aware that there is no amount of acclimation that can allow someone to survive at the top of Everest for more than a few hours? They call it the "Death Zone" for a reason.

The point of the story is that the commercialization is causing some people to not take the danger as seriously as they should, but that's no reason to go overboard.
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She was in Nepal for only a few weeks. Not nearly enough time for her body to adjust to the lower pressure. And she was clearly suffering the effects of oxygen deprivation much lower than the top, because she refused the advice of her sherpa to turn back.

If she'd made good decisions at the bottom, there would have been room for good decisions at the point of no return.
 
sixone said:
She was in Nepal for only a few weeks. Not nearly enough time for her body to adjust to the lower pressure.
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Are you an alpine climbing expert? If not, where are you getting your information from?

Is there any evidence that she did not follow the by now well established procedures followed by all Everest summiters?
 
CharlesKozierok said:
Are you an alpine climbing expert? If not, where are you getting your information from?

Is there any evidence that she did not follow the by now well established procedures followed by all Everest summiters?
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There's no evidence that she was prepared before she ever got to Nepal. Was she climbing other mountains in preparation for Everest? Did she do any training at high altitudes, to make sure that her time in Nepal would give her the maximum benefit?

Not according to her blog or her TV interviews. She was in peak condition - for sea level, not for Everest.
 
sixone said:
There's no evidence that she was prepared before she ever got to Nepal. Was she climbing other mountains in preparation for Everest? Did she do any training at high altitudes, to make sure that her time in Nepal would give her the maximum benefit?
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What I'm asking is if this was somehow different than what happens with many other climbers. You seem to be singling her out.

If you're just making the larger point that it's dumb to let inexperienced people treat Everest like a tourist destination, then I agree.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
What I'm asking is if this was somehow different than what happens with many other climbers. You seem to be singling her out.

If you're just making the larger point that it's dumb to let inexperienced people treat Everest like a tourist destination, then I agree.
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I'm quite sure there are plenty of other climbers who go there every bit as unprepared as she did. Some of them survive, some die, but we don't always hear about it.

Yes, that's exactly the point I'm making.
 
NuclearNed said:
It's obvious that nobody in this thread has actually done any alpine climbing. I have. I'll agree that the Sherpa support clearly makes Everest easier than it once was, but that doesn't mean that it's anywhere near easy.
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I don't think it is easy. I am not comparing it to a couch to 5k or anything but back in the day you were a pretty badass climber to do it. That it is even possible for an amateur to do it says all I need to know about it's overall difficulty. It is still more than most will ever do physically, but it is certainly watered down.

This reminds me of marathoners. Average marathon times in the us have gone up wildy in the past few decades. Back in the da if you ran one you were a badass runner. Now everybody and their damn dog has done it and the races have a crapload of 4,5 hour times by people who just want to brag that they have run a marathon.
 
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I respect the Sherpas for basically not giving a rat's ass about the climbers: if you're going to do something stupid and risk your life they sure as hell aren't going to risk their lives or anyone else's to accommodate you.
 
KB said:
If 150 people are doing it at a time, then its no longer an impressive feat, its now just a tourist trip.

Need to install an oxygen bar up there. Charge like 10 grand a bottle.
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They are almost there, they should just go full out now and build steps and oxygen lines. Make it safe and easy for everyone who want to get to the summit.

If Mount Everest was in the USA it would already be a theme park.
 
This reminds me of marathoners. Average marathon times in the us have gone up wildy in the past few decades. Back in the da if you ran one you were a badass runner. Now everybody and their damn dog has done it and the races have a crapload of 4,5 hour times by people who just want to brag that they have run a marathon.
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I'm going to bet you've never run a marathon either. Half? 10k? 1 mile?
 
KB said:
If 150 people are doing it at a time, then its no longer an impressive feat, its now just a tourist trip.

Need to install an oxygen bar up there. Charge like 10 grand a bottle.
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oh fuck yes. oxygen bar @ camp4. 10g's/bottle, amex/visa/MC accepted.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
Are you an alpine climbing expert? If not, where are you getting your information from?

Is there any evidence that she did not follow the by now well established procedures followed by all Everest summiters?
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yes, in the other thread.

she trained for it by running and doing karate. LOL

holy fuck, I had no idea it was THIS bad

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Doppel said:
This reminds me of marathoners. Average marathon times in the us have gone up wildy in the past few decades. Back in the da if you ran one you were a badass runner. Now everybody and their damn dog has done it and the races have a crapload of 4,5 hour times by people who just want to brag that they have run a marathon.
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?? what point are you trying to make? ive never and never will run a full marathon hell running 5 miles in the military nearly killed me. in my book anybody who finishes a full marathon is bad ass.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
What I'm asking is if this was somehow different than what happens with many other climbers. You seem to be singling her out.
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In case you're not paying attention, she singled herself out by croaking. She could have been in better shape, she could have prepared better, she could have done lower peaks to work her way up to Everest, she could have turned back. But nope, her sad little life was all going to be made better just by walking to the top with the other bored housewives and retired dentists. So she went out right up until the point where she died. That was what makes her "somehow different" from the many other climbers. Most of them don't die.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
That's just a conga line that got out of hand. "Jerry, where the fuck are you taking us?"
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Lulz.

Alpine climbing is not something that I'll ever be interested in (it's fucking cold up there) and I respect anyone who can climb one of these tall mothers, but that photo is ridiculous. Oh well, more money than sense.
 
Doppel said:
This reminds me of marathoners. Average marathon times in the us have gone up wildy in the past few decades. Back in the da if you ran one you were a badass runner. Now everybody and their damn dog has done it and the races have a crapload of 4,5 hour times by people who just want to brag that they have run a marathon.
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Think of it this way: no one who is fat can run a marathon.

ATOT should fully support everyone running marathons.
 
Its like your college degree,every single day the value of it goes down as they hand out loans to everyone and their mother...
 
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