PSA: Life on other planets doesn't disprove religion

[Homerboy]

Nothing "disproves" religion. However, unicorns have not been disproved either.

On the contrary. They have been PROVEN:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/

 

[AreaCode707]

Rightio. I think most religions will react to this the same way they reacted to the statement, " Life on other continents doesn't disprove religion." It poses nearly the exact same set of challenges and philosophical questions that circumstance once did.

 

[AstroManLuca]

If you believe that God created the universe, it would be arrogant to believe that you know everything about that creation. Learning about new life, or the evolution of life, or other planets, or even other universes... it's just learning more about the universe that God created.

I don't believe in God but if I did there would be no conflict between science and religion.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Well, religions core cannot be disproven, the claims can be and have been, religion has changed because of it over time and what was once the most science hating all knowing religion on earth has become the most accepting of observable reality (yes, catholicism)...

That doesn't mean that it doesn't just ignore what it teaches and teaches the opposite pracitice though, you can't really expect religious people to be logical though so i guess they are forgiven on account of their delusions that still need to come before reality.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Rightio. I think most religions will react to this the same way they reacted to the statement, " Life on other continents doesn't disprove religion." It poses nearly the exact same set of challenges and philosophical questions that circumstance once did.

Or evolution for that matter, most sane religions acknowledge it today.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

If you believe that God created the universe, it would be arrogant to believe that you know everything about that creation. Learning about new life, or the evolution of life, or other planets, or even other universes... it's just learning more about the universe that God created.

I don't believe in God but if I did there would be no conflict between science and religion.

There are plenty of literalists, for them such a claim would be as silly as the earth not being the center of the universe or that the world wasn't created in six days 6000 years ago.

 

[HAL9000]

God doesn't exist. kthxbai 🙂

This.

 

[palswim]

Rightio. I think most religions will react to this the same way they reacted to the statement, " Life on other continents doesn't disprove religion." It poses nearly the exact same set of challenges and philosophical questions that circumstance once did.

Unless the extraterrestrial life is not human. Then, you have to wonder "Did Christ die for their sin, too?" and "Do they have a sin nature as well?" since Adam and Eve couldn't have begat them.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Unless the extraterrestrial life is not human. Then, you have to wonder "Did Christ die for their sin, too?" and "Do they have a sin nature as well?" since Adam and Eve couldn't have begat them.

Where in the Bible does it even say that Adam and Eve were human?

 

[palswim]

Where in the Bible does it even say that Adam and Eve were human?

It calls Adam a "man" at least (Rom. 5:12):

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.

And, it traces human lineage all the way to Adam, including the line from Adam to Abraham, which only took something like 14 generations.

 

[AreaCode707]

Unless the extraterrestrial life is not human. Then, you have to wonder "Did Christ die for their sin, too?" and "Do they have a sin nature as well?" since Adam and Eve couldn't have begat them.

Unfortunately those WERE the same questions that came up when the western European world hit the Americas. You can go back and find some animated debate written on the topic. The discussion seems both shameful and silly now, and I imagine we'd go through the same cycle and arrive at the same conclusions in the case of alien life.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It calls Adam a "man" at least (Rom. 5:12):


And, it traces human lineage all the way to Adam, including the line from Adam to Abraham, which only took something like 14 generations.

I'm going to argue that neither Adam nor Abraham were human nor real, do you know any humans that live for hundreds of years? Clearly these were aliens on a visit.

 

[Ninjahedge]

We're special. It even says he created us in his image. Aliens got nothing on chosen ones.

One must always remember that MAN wrote the bible.

He may say "Nuh-uh! I was only writing what God told me".... but we all know how honest Mankind can be, especially when it comes to Religion and their Dieties....

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Unfortunately those WERE the same questions that came up when the western European world hit the Americas. You can go back and find some animated debate written on the topic. The discussion seems both shameful and silly now, and I imagine we'd go through the same cycle and arrive at the same conclusions in the case of alien life.

And before that and well after that too.

Religion is always used to keep believers at the top and heathens at the bottom, there is nothing holier than the holier than though believer.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

One must always remember that MAN wrote the bible.

He may say "Nuh-uh! I was only writing what God told me".... but we all know how honest Mankind can be, especially when it comes to Religion and their Dieties....

Yeah i know "i don't get it, i'm following this 1200cal diet and still gaining weight" while they stuff their faces all day long...

It's all about the dietists.

 

[JTsyo]

Nothing can disprove a religion based on the alleged existence of an omnipotent being with inscrutible motives and undetectable methods. That's precisely why religion is a useless means of knowing the world.

kthxbai

There's a story in the Old Testament in which the believers in Baal face off against the a Jewish prophet to see which God was real. The test was to see which God could light the sacrifice. Why can't we have something like that now? At least with the 3 religions that are based on the Old Testament.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Yeah i know "i don't get it, i'm following this 1200cal diet and still gaining weight" while they stuff their faces all day long...

It's all about the dietists.

Dieties/Deities Bif diff. 😉

 

[Ninjahedge]

I don't believe in God but if I did there would be no conflict between science and religion.

MANY scientists are religious.

The big difference being, they believe there is a God, but they do not believe that everything in the universe works simply because he says so.

Most believe that God made the laws and rules of the universe and they seek to find those truths, rather than to blindly accept the fact that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West and that's that.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

There's a story in the Old Testament in which the believers in Baal face off against the a Jewish prophet to see which God was real. The test was to see which God could light the sacrifice. Why can't we have something like that now? At least with the 3 religions that are based on the Old Testament.

Because God only lights the sacrifice if he wants to, not because we tell him to. It wouldn't prove or disprove anything.

Also Deut. 6:16 or Luke 4:12

 

[soulcougher73]

Especially if this other planet with life had the same bible. That would be weird 😛

 

[BurnItDwn]

On the contrary. They have been PROVEN:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/

Mmmm unicorn!

In that case, I change my statement to Pegasus!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

MANY scientists are religious.

While true, the majority of religious scientists are not really scientists at all, the overwhelming majority of them are from paper mill universities and don't have basic understanding in the field of their PHD.

Now, if you would have said that some (not many) are deists, then i might be inclined to agree with you.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Nothing "disproves" religion. However, unicorns have not been disproved either.

On the contrary. They have been PROVEN:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/

I've seen them.

 

[AstroManLuca]

While true, the majority of religious scientists are not really scientists at all, the overwhelming majority of them are from paper mill universities and don't have basic understanding in the field of their PHD.

Now, if you would have said that some (not many) are deists, then i might be inclined to agree with you.

How do you know all this? How did you arrive at the conclusion that the "overwhelming majority" don't understand the subject for which they hold a degree?

No one has mentioned scientists who are also fundamentalists or literalists. But there is no reason why a religious person can't separate their religious beliefs from scientific research. An intelligent religious scientist would know to set their beliefs aside when doing scientific research. You won't see a scientist write a research paper in which unexpected findings are attributed to God. Even if that scientist believes that is possible, he must work on the assumption that it's not happening to get scientific results.

Again, there's no reason why a learned scientist can't also be religious. I'm sure there are plenty of religious "scientists" who get degrees from nowhere schools in order to make themselves sound like a trusted authority, but how can you say with any certainty that those people make up the majority of religious scientists? It sounds as if you're just making assumptions based on personal beliefs rather than available evidence.

 

[qtnguyen87]

I just wanted to know, has your religion ever done anything for you? like in real life time? by that i dont mean if the religion plays a big roll in your life, i just want to know has your religion ever done anything for you?

I live my life day by day, i'm a christian btw but i dont go to church. It's nice to believe in something but why believe in something when it serves no purpose for you?

^^ and wth do scientists have to do with religion?