PSA: Just because you refuse red meat does NOT make you vegetarian

[Schrodinger]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: Howard
Did you, perchance, ask her if she was a lesbian?

EDIT: Pork is red meat.

Pork is the "other white meat". Sure its red after being cured, smoked and glazed with honey but is it normally red/dark? I don't think so. Could be wrong, but I never thought pork was red meat.

This is what pork meat looks like.

http://www.albertapork.com/con...s/cutchart/LoinRib.jpg

I suppose it's whitish after you cook it...

Oh :Q Thanks. Maybe the girls have been tricked by the pork commercials then, too, like me

Don't know much about pork...about the only time I consume it is with bacon double cheese burgers

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: Vic
Natures Fresh Northwest was sooo much better than Wild Oats (who bought them out) it's not even funny.

Other chains with a similar theme:
Trader Joe's (I hear, never been there)
Mustard Seed

I prefer New Seasons, a store that was started a few years ago by former Natures management. There's only 5 stores though, all in the Portland metro.


I don't think that having meals where the main course is chicken allows you say that your diet even "primarily" consists of vegetables.

 

[AmigaMan]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: AmigaMan
man this thread is making me hungry! I'd like a nice med rare ribeye with a side of vegetarians...er I mean vegetables and a nice load baked po-tah-toe.

Buffalo Ribeye with a nice dirty Grey Goose martini

damn dude, did you do that? Recipe? My mouth is watering as I type this, I'm about to drool on the keyboard.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

<------------ Vegetarian.

I dont eat meat, chicken, or fish.

 

[SandInMyShoes]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: pacmanfan
Yeah, this issue pissses me off to no end. Semi-vegetarianism is like semi-virginity. "But a rear delivery doesn't count!"

Seriously. How is fish and chicken NOT meat?

Ahahahahah. Some people see fit to make a dozen categories (like the above). There isn't a halfway point about it as far as I'm concerned (either you like animals and their byproducts or not).

That's like saying "You are either a Jesus-loving Republican or you hate your country". I suppose if you WERE a Jesus-loving Republican or you DID hate the country, then you'd agree with that statement.

For most of the population, though, they'd probably be more than a little offended by the statement.

The point is that there aren't the "black and whites" you seem to see. It's not "you are either vegan, or not vegetarian at all" - that's not true, there ARE varying types of vegetarianism.

Hell, if you lived in Oregon, California, or the New England states, you'd likely have *grown up* knowing what the differences were between them. Not my fault the middle of the country hasn't caught on yet...

Nonono, I didn't mean it's black or white. There most certainly are different stages of vegetarianism, such as ovo-lacto, etc. My point is that to be a "vegetarian", there's no half way. You eat meat, or you're a vegetarian. There are other terms for people that will eat fish but no other meats, but it's not "vegetarian".

 

[Kelvrick]

I stopped reading when I read 36oz. Where did you get that? Largest I've seen is a 2lb'er, 32oz.

<== watering at the mouth

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
<------------ Vegetarian.

I dont eat meat, chicken, or fish.

Can anyone tell me which three words could be eliminated from this post without losing any meaning?

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
<------------ Vegetarian.

I dont eat meat, chicken, or fish.

Can anyone tell me which three words could be eliminated from this post without losing any meaning?

Meat chicken and fish?

 

[SandInMyShoes]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
<------------ Vegetarian.

I dont eat meat, chicken, or fish.

Can anyone tell me which three words could be eliminated from this post without losing any meaning?

Meat chicken and fish?

:roll:

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
I've ran into countless people recently (women mostly) who feel they need to announce they are vegetarian. Okay. So they won't eat anything that has ever walked, hopped, swam, crawled or flew. Their choice.

Then, later on, I'll find out they eat seafood, chicken, turkey and pork!
This still makes them a frickin omnivore. Do they just like the sound of "vegetarian"?

Case in point: The other night we went out to a restaurant and I had the lumberjack porterhouse (36oz). I didn't really listen to what everyone else had ordered. When my steak came my sister's friend called me out and said it was absolutely disgusting what I was eating. She said she was vegetarian and would never eat that etc, etc. I shrugged her off and laughed, saying that I was a vegetarian for a decade.

A minute later the next server came with the rest of the food. Guess what she had? Chicken :roll:
Hint hint b!tch: chicken is not a fvcking plant!

Haha. Dumb bitch.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: pacmanfan

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
<------------ Vegetarian.

I dont eat meat, chicken, or fish.

Can anyone tell me which three words could be eliminated from this post without losing any meaning?

Meat chicken and fish?

:roll:

I was just showing that I wasnt one of those who think that since they dont eat red meat, they think they are a vegetarian.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

I was just showing that I wasnt one of those who think that since they dont eat red meat, they think they are a vegetarian.

I know, just the phrasing of it...chicken and fish are both meat.

 

[SandInMyShoes]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: pacmanfan

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
<------------ Vegetarian.

I dont eat meat, chicken, or fish.

Can anyone tell me which three words could be eliminated from this post without losing any meaning?

Meat chicken and fish?

:roll:

I was just showing that I wasnt one of those who think that since they dont eat red meat, they think they are a vegetarian.

In that case, chicken, or, and fish would be the correct answer...

Sorry, I'm being a little anal tonight

 

[Wanescotting]

Make sure your sister's friend pays a visit to The Best Page in The Universe!

 

[imported_Lucifer]

I'm not one of those people who think they are awesome because they dont eat meat, or think they are better than everyone. I just grew up eating vegetables, rice, etc. pretty much my whole life.

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: pacmanfan

Hell, if you lived in Oregon, California, or the New England states, you'd likely have *grown up* knowing what the differences were between them. Not my fault the middle of the country hasn't caught on yet...

Or... Maybe it is because the "middle" of the country doesn't give a sh!t about fringe hippies and what they eat?

 

[tami]

i am a woman who is not a vegetarian.

and that's a mighty big dinner you had. :Q

 

[Schrodinger]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I stopped reading when I read 36oz. Where did you get that? Largest I've seen is a 2lb'er, 32oz.

<== watering at the mouth

Wideman's Charcoal Steakhouse in Kitchener Ontario

linky

 

[imported_Phil]

looking for some restuarant that serves "friendly" burgers, which ironically look and taste exactly like hamburgers--which vegetarians object to eating because it's either A) gross or B) murder. If it's so gross, then why go out of your way to eat something exactly like it

From Maddox's site, quoted for truth

 

[SandInMyShoes]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

looking for some restuarant that serves "friendly" burgers, which ironically look and taste exactly like hamburgers--which vegetarians object to eating because it's either A) gross or B) murder. If it's so gross, then why go out of your way to eat something exactly like it

From Maddox's site, quoted for truth

It depends on your reasons for not eating meat. I am not sickened by meat. I'll admit that there are times that meat has looked and smelled good to me, although it doesn't happen often. It's not the consistancy, color, flavor, etc, that would turn me off (depending on the meat, of course ), but mainly the fact that what I am eating is the blood and tissue of a mammal. Blood that has flowed through the veins of a living creature, blood that carries the life or death of it, the good or the bad, including the disease. No thanks.

It's a personal preference, based on health. So no, as long as the look, smell, and taste don't turn me off, I have no issue with eating mock meat that is made from a vegetative-based substance.

 

[thomsbrain]

i'm not big on steak either, but i'm no vegetatian.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: pacmanfan
Yeah, this issue pissses me off to no end. Semi-vegetarianism is like semi-virginity. "But a rear delivery doesn't count!"

Seriously. How is fish and chicken NOT meat?

Ahahahahah. Some people see fit to make a dozen categories (like the above). There isn't a halfway point about it as far as I'm concerned (either you like animals and their byproducts or not).

That's like saying "You are either a Jesus-loving Republican or you hate your country". I suppose if you WERE a Jesus-loving Republican or you DID hate the country, then you'd agree with that statement.

For most of the population, though, they'd probably be more than a little offended by the statement.

The point is that there aren't the "black and whites" you seem to see. It's not "you are either vegan, or not vegetarian at all" - that's not true, there ARE varying types of vegetarianism.

Hell, if you lived in Oregon, California, or the New England states, you'd likely have *grown up* knowing what the differences were between them. Not my fault the middle of the country hasn't caught on yet...

Hey, I grew up in Kansas, and I knew that there were varying degrees of vegetarianism. Here is the thing though... If you consume "flesh" (I'm not talking dairy or eggs here), then you aren't a vegetarian by any means. If you eat flesh that isn't red meat, you are not a vegetarian by any stretch of the imagination. It isn't a shades of grey issue... you either consume members of the animal kingdom or you don't. If you don't, then you are a vegetarian. If you do, then you can observe a reduced-meat, vegetarian-like diet, but I don't think you should call yourself a vegetarian.

I make an exception for the people that eat fish and seafood. Hey, if the Catholic Church does not consider fish and seafood to be meat, then who am I to argue?

R

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

looking for some restuarant that serves "friendly" burgers, which ironically look and taste exactly like hamburgers--which vegetarians object to eating because it's either A) gross or B) murder. If it's so gross, then why go out of your way to eat something exactly like it

From Maddox's site, quoted for truth

See, what's weird is - and my wife is a vegetarian - the 'friendly' burgers?

TASTE LIKE CRAP!

No, really. The veggie burgers that try to taste like real burgers are pure sh!t, end of story. They don't taste like anything. Some kind of rubber, maybe. I dunno, but it's nasty.

HOWEVER...I actually find myself prefering vegetarian 'alternatives' in a couple cases:
[*] Seitan fajita mix. Doesn't taste like any meat, but very, VERY good. Better than chicken or steak for fajitas
[*] Portobello...well, anyway. "Burgers", fajitas, etc. It's just a mushroom, but very, VERY tasty when grilled.
[*] Quorn products. Their 'Quorn dogs' are quite nice. Again, doesn't try to taste like anything but its own thing. Very tasty.

In point of fact, although I certainly have no moral objection to eating meat (I certainly dig burgers, and have steak at least once a month), I find myself generally eating vegetarian...just because. It's healthier for you - better for your heart, etc - and that's always nice. Plus, it's more consistent. A portobello is a portobello is a portobello - there aren't different cuts, you don't have to worry about gristle, or cooking times, or whatever.

And, really, I've found a LOT of vegetarian items (particularly those that aren't trying to taste like 'real' meat) to have a taste I prefer over many meats. As I mentioned above, I'll take a seitan fajita over a chicken or steak fajita anyday - it just *tastes* better - and I'll take a 'Quorn dog' over almost any brand hot dog for taste, as well. (Only downside is that Quorn-brand products use mycoprotein as the protein element - a type of fungi. Tastes great, but if you eat more than 2 of them....you will REGRET IT.)

 

[Philippine Mango]

What a b!tch, stupid sister is a vegeterian and bitches me out because I like beef. So to get revenge, I molded the ground beef so I had blood on my hands and as I was cooking, I described the juicyness of the hamburger "blood dripping down,tasting the veins is so good". (5 minutes later I splatter blood on the ground and then she leaves) LOL. Screw dem hippies!

 

[SandInMyShoes]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

looking for some restuarant that serves "friendly" burgers, which ironically look and taste exactly like hamburgers--which vegetarians object to eating because it's either A) gross or B) murder. If it's so gross, then why go out of your way to eat something exactly like it

From Maddox's site, quoted for truth

See, what's weird is - and my wife is a vegetarian - the 'friendly' burgers?

TASTE LIKE CRAP!

No, really. The veggie burgers that try to taste like real burgers are pure sh!t, end of story. They don't taste like anything. Some kind of rubber, maybe. I dunno, but it's nasty.

HOWEVER...I actually find myself prefering vegetarian 'alternatives' in a couple cases:
[*] Seitan fajita mix. Doesn't taste like any meat, but very, VERY good. Better than chicken or steak for fajitas
[*] Portobello...well, anyway. "Burgers", fajitas, etc. It's just a mushroom, but very, VERY tasty when grilled.
[*] Quorn products. Their 'Quorn dogs' are quite nice. Again, doesn't try to taste like anything but its own thing. Very tasty.

In point of fact, although I certainly have no moral objection to eating meat (I certainly dig burgers, and have steak at least once a month), I find myself generally eating vegetarian...just because. It's healthier for you - better for your heart, etc - and that's always nice. Plus, it's more consistent. A portobello is a portobello is a portobello - there aren't different cuts, you don't have to worry about gristle, or cooking times, or whatever.

And, really, I've found a LOT of vegetarian items (particularly those that aren't trying to taste like 'real' meat) to have a taste I prefer over many meats. As I mentioned above, I'll take a seitan fajita over a chicken or steak fajita anyday - it just *tastes* better - and I'll take a 'Quorn dog' over almost any brand hot dog for taste, as well. (Only downside is that Quorn-brand products use mycoprotein as the protein element - a type of fungi. Tastes great, but if you eat more than 2 of them....you will REGRET IT.)

Haven't tried Quorn stuff, but I've heard it's great. Certainly gotta agree with you on the portabellas, though. Those things rock

The best readily available friendly burger I've had would be Flame Grilled Gardenburgers.

When I was in Thailand, they had mock sausages, jerky, duck, and other such stuff that was FAR superior to anything I've ever had in the States. Too bad they only seem to import the canned stuff over here.