PSA for the moral puritans of OT

[Nomada]

"Whatever Gets You Through The Night,
It's Alright". I can't stand self-righteous non-smokers who can't grasp the fact that the disgusting habit of smoking something grown on the earth can produce a calming, sometimes euphoric feeling in us funny looking creatures.

 

[MrDudeMan]

the only issue i have with smokers is how they end up in the hospital wasting resources. if you get enjoyment out of it, fine, but smoking leads down one path and only one path, illness. several things we do everyday CAN hurt us, but dont always end up that way. smoking hurts the vast majority of the people that do it and it is avoidable, completely and 100%. edit: talking about people that do it a LOT and for a long time.

other than that, if you want to smoke tar into your lungs and sound gross, look old, and smell bad, thats up to you. i support your right to do that if that is indeed your choice, but i still dont think its a good choice.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
the only issue i have with smokers is how they end up in the hospital wasting resources. if you get enjoyment out of it, fine, but smoking leads down one path and only one path, illness. several things we do everyday CAN hurt us, but dont always end up that way. smoking hurts the vast majority of the people that do it and it is avoidable, completely and 100%. edit: talking about people that do it a LOT and for a long time.

other than that, if you want to smoke tar into your lungs and sound gross, look old, and smell bad, thats up to you. i support your right to do that if that is indeed your choice, but i still dont think its a good choice.

:thumbsup:

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: mchammer
Show me the flaw in reasoning.

Do you exercise daily? Do you eat fast food? Do you do anything known to be detrimental to your health? If you're implying that smokers have less of a right to get sick than anyone else, you're full of sh!t.

Insurance companies make smokers pay higher premiums as it is. and some company insurance plans given out to employees often require that they make a policy of not hiring smokers, in order to give lower rates to everyone else. In other words, your point is moot.

 

[DannyBoy]

RULE BRITANNIA!

 

[brigden]

You can smoke as much as you want... provided it isn't in a public place, indoors or out.

 

[gistech1978]

newsflash: too much sunlight is bad for your health and can lead to cancer.

damn that sun making my medicare premiums go up!

outlaw the sun!

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: gistech1978
newsflash: too much sunlight is bad for your health and can lead to cancer.

damn that sun making my medicare premiums go up!

outlaw the sun!

way to take the point, smash it into the ground, and throw retard juice all over everyone. you are officially dumb.

at least thelonelyphoenix is intelligent when he defends smoking.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: mchammer
Show me the flaw in reasoning.

Do you exercise daily? Do you eat fast food? Do you do anything known to be detrimental to your health? If you're implying that smokers have less of a right to get sick than anyone else, you're full of sh!t.

Insurance companies make smokers pay higher premiums as it is. and some company insurance plans given out to employees often require that they make a policy of not hiring smokers, in order to give lower rates to everyone else. In other words, your point is moot.

Perhaps you missed this above "smoking leads down one path and only one path, illness. several things we do everyday CAN hurt us, but dont always end up that way. smoking hurts the vast majority of the people that do it and it is avoidable, completely and 100%. edit: talking about people that do it a LOT and for a long time."

Also you wrote:

"Insurance companies make smokers pay higher premiums as it is. and some company insurance plans given out to employees often require that they make a policy of not hiring smokers, in order to give lower rates to everyone else. In other words, your point is moot."

The higher premiums are for life insurance or for non-group health insurance ony. A policy of hiring non-smokers only I have never heard of, are you sure that would be legal? Also Medicare does not have seperate rates for smokers or non. It is true that one limitation of collective programs is that they can limit individual freedom (smoking) although currently they do not and that is why I'm complaining.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
If you don't smoke cigarettes, good for you. Don't preach to anyone who does. Its their life and their money, and they have the right to do what they please with both. If you don't agree with it, go fvck yourself.

And if you don't want to be judged, don't judge others.

That is all.

Fine...then take yourself out of the health care system or pay for your health care out of pocket and you can do whatever the hell you want....in the privacy of your own home where the polluted air means absolutely nothing to me.

 

[hippy]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
If you don't smoke cigarettes, good for you. Don't preach to anyone who does. Its their life and their money, and they have the right to do what they please with both. If you don't agree with it, go fvck yourself.

And if you don't want to be judged, don't judge others.

That is all.

Well since I smoke a lotta cigs and drink a bit of bru as well, I have ta ask ya... What is you point here??? ;Q

 

[desk]

i think people should be able to do anything in the privacy of their own homes.

buuuut, i get annoyed that i have to breathe in smoke in bars, restaurants, etc.

 

[Miramonti]

PSA: Please remove pole from butt before posting.

 

[imported_Mike]

Alot of smokers ive come across are selfish...thinking that BECUASE someone doesn't smoke, they should weave their lives around those that do...yet it should be the other way around.

Your fast food analogy is irrelavent....unless your implying cheeseburgers are addictive?

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: CheapArse
Alot of smokers ive come across are selfish...thinking that BECUASE someone doesn't smoke, they should weave their lives around those that do...yet it should be the other way around.

Your fast food analogy is irrelavent....unless your implying cheeseburgers are addictive?

i already countered that, but your point is good too.

 

[sonambulo]

Originally posted by: brigden
You can smoke as much as you want... provided it isn't in a public place, indoors or out.

egg zachary. and if those buttholes are going to do it in the street, they should at least smoke whole leaf or shisha instead of siht prerolled. fcuking hell. so many dirty hippies smoking parliament lights and fcuking marb red's. i hate that smell.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: CheapArse
Alot of smokers ive come across are selfish...thinking that BECUASE someone doesn't smoke, they should weave their lives around those that do...yet it should be the other way around.

Your fast food analogy is irrelavent....unless your implying cheeseburgers are addictive?

I'm not saying that any non-smoker should have to weave their life around anyone else's habit. There are smoking and non-smoking sections in restaurants and other public locations specifically for that reason. If anything, smokers have to weave their habit around others.

If you really want to go to a smoke-free bar, there are plenty of them out there. Take your business to the places with the policies you want to support, don't get on someone else's case for supporting a policy that you don't personally agree with.

I'm bringing up the fast food analogy to say that people do things every day that they know aren't good for them, you shouldn't jump on anyone else's back for doing something that you probably do as well in a different form.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: CheapArse
Alot of smokers ive come across are selfish...thinking that BECUASE someone doesn't smoke, they should weave their lives around those that do...yet it should be the other way around.

Your fast food analogy is irrelavent....unless your implying cheeseburgers are addictive?

I'm not saying that any non-smoker should have to weave their life around anyone else's habit. There are smoking and non-smoking sections in restaurants and other public locations specifically for that reason. If anything, smokers have to weave their habit around others.

If you really want to go to a smoke-free bar, there are plenty of them out there. Take your business to the places with the policies you want to support, don't get on someone else's case for supporting a policy that you don't personally support.

I'm bringing up the fast food analogy to say that people do things every day that they know aren't good for them, you should jump on anyone else's back for doing something that you probably do as well in a different form.

i see where that would seem relevant, but the difference is with fast food there are several options available to avoid health related risks. with smoking, either way it is tar in your lungs and nicotine. sure, there are different brands, but they all have that in common. i understand that people respond to things differently, but its just not the same as food. we have to eat to live, and if you are rushed, fast food is your option. you do not need cigarettes, so that is a completely avoidable risk.

i still am firmly behind your right to smoke if you want to, but it is a bad choice.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: CheapArse
Alot of smokers ive come across are selfish...thinking that BECUASE someone doesn't smoke, they should weave their lives around those that do...yet it should be the other way around.

Your fast food analogy is irrelavent....unless your implying cheeseburgers are addictive?

I'm not saying that any non-smoker should have to weave their life around anyone else's habit. There are smoking and non-smoking sections in restaurants and other public locations specifically for that reason. If anything, non-smokers have to weave their habit around others.

I'm bringing up the fast food analogy to say that people do things every day that they know aren't good for them, you should jump on anyone else's back for doing something that you probably do as well in a different form.

Fast food is not a problem in moderation. Any amount of cigarette smoke is harmful, also it is more likely to be a repetitve activity. Also, fast food does have some nutritional value.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: CheapArse
Alot of smokers ive come across are selfish...thinking that BECUASE someone doesn't smoke, they should weave their lives around those that do...yet it should be the other way around.

Your fast food analogy is irrelavent....unless your implying cheeseburgers are addictive?

I'm not saying that any non-smoker should have to weave their life around anyone else's habit. There are smoking and non-smoking sections in restaurants and other public locations specifically for that reason. If anything, non-smokers have to weave their habit around others.

I'm bringing up the fast food analogy to say that people do things every day that they know aren't good for them, you should jump on anyone else's back for doing something that you probably do as well in a different form.

A couple things, my statement about alot of smokers being shelfish was something that Ive observed, but not was directed at you.

*cough* If someone doesn't like smoking, they should go to McD.. *cough* :roll:

I didn't think i was jumping on anyones back?

Again, you really should drop the fast food analogy...I know what your trying to say, but that analogy doesn't get the job done. Keep searching...

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
i still am firmly behind your right to smoke if you want to, but it is a bad choice.

I never said it was a good choice. Only that its a decision that everyone has the right to make for themselves, and no one should judge someone else for not making the same decision as them.

 

[imported_Mike]

They only hypocrisy I could see is if someone jumped on someones back for smoking but thought doing crack was OK. Fast food in moderation has no where near the affect that even smoking in moderation does on the body. If you keep your body relatively healthy...you can reverse the negative effects of fast food. I dunno what the fvck you can do to get that sh!t out of your lungs....

Also, fast food isn't addictive and not ALL aspects of fast food are negative to the body.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
i still am firmly behind your right to smoke if you want to, but it is a bad choice.

I never said it was a good choice. Only that its a decision that everyone has the right to make for themselves, and no one should judge someone else for not making the same decision as them.

...but you're equated eating fast food to smoking which you cannot do.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
i still am firmly behind your right to smoke if you want to, but it is a bad choice.

I never said it was a good choice. Only that its a decision that everyone has the right to make for themselves, and no one should judge someone else for not making the same decision as them.

i want to agree with you on this, but i just cant. things that are a bad decision when you see it from any angle are hard not to judge. if you kill an innocent child, there is no redeeming value to that. no, im not so stupid to compare that to smoking, but it was a valid example of what i meant. smoking has no redeeming value that even comes close to outweighing the negatives.

i know that sounds somewhat hyprocritical, but if something is a bad decision from all angles, i feel like it should be avoided under all circumstances. along with that comes inherent judgement since it is known the behavior is bad. dont get me wrong, i am not judging you as a person, just the activity. you are going to be an EE, and for that you get props. i respect you as a person, just not the smoking.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
i still am firmly behind your right to smoke if you want to, but it is a bad choice.

I never said it was a good choice. Only that its a decision that everyone has the right to make for themselves, and no one should judge someone else for not making the same decision as them.

i want to agree with you on this, but i just cant. things that are a bad decision when you see it from any angle are hard not to judge. if you kill an innocent child, there is no redeeming value to that. no, im not so stupid to compare that to smoking, but it was a valid example of what i meant. smoking has no redeeming value that even comes close to outweighing the negatives.

exactly, though that example is harsh...

i know that sounds somewhat hyprocritical, but if something is a bad decision from all angles, i feel like it should be avoided under all circumstances. along with that comes inherent judgement since it is known the behavior is bad. dont get me wrong, i am not judging you as a person, just the activity.

Correct me if im wrong, but if your judging the activity...how can you not judge those who participate in said activity?