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PSA: Don't shoot the police in the face

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I have no problem with the course of action taken by the police officers, and I have no problem with the outcome of the investigation. I mean, it's not like they killed him. He caused a lot people a lot of pain by shooting an officer in the face and murdering him, so he got the beat down of his life. I'm sure he suffered immense pain for a week or two. He's healed quite nicely, and will now spend the rest of his days in prison.

There is an exception to everything in this world, morals and law is amongst them.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Literati
It's really so simple to me.

You don't want to get your ass kicked by the police, you don't shoot a cop in the face while you're in custody, what's the problem?
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It's not nearly that simple.

Regardless of what a worthless POS this guy is, the police have no legal right to beat the guy up. This guy's punishment is up to the court, not the arresting officers.

The fact that you overlook the legal and logical technicalities and make an emotional decision makes me glad that you're in no position to decide someone's fate.
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You're all overlooking the fact that he jumped through a 3rd story window, and we dont know how he landed. After shooting a cop, then jumping out a window, he had nothing to loose, so when they did finally chase him down he probably fought; with whatever strength he may have had left. At that point the cops had to neutralize his ability to harm them.

This guy got exactly what he deserved, within the bounds of the law.
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Restraining people involves getting their arms and legs under control. How do you explain the battered face?
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Come try to restrain me without hurting me. I can save you the trouble (and a LOT of pain), you won't be able to do it. Cops are no different than any other person. It's not easy to do (trust me, I've had to do it many hundreds of times). Also show me medical records which explain the damage first, and prove that it was inflicted by the officers and not jumping out of a third story window of his own choice. Finally, I don't care. He was rotten to the core and deserved to die and I don't give a flying f**k how it happens. The important thing is for bad people to die. Nothing else matters.
 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: crt1530
Looks to me like they utilized the minimum necessary force to subdue a cop killer who was trying to evade authorities.
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i think you're missing the part where his face was swollen, bruised, scarred and bloody.
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I think YOU missed the part where the police officers face was missing...because this worthless, loser, asshole blew it off to escape from being punished for other horrible crimes he had committed against innocent people.

He got what he deserved, it's just too bad they let him live so that we have to support his ass.
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QFFT
 
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
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Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
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Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
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I don't subscribe to the theory that "if we act like them then we are no better than they are."

I wouldn't say that a police delivered beating is justified in all cases, but in this case, under these specific circumstances, it doesn't/wouldn't bother me.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
Click to expand...

Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
Click to expand...

I don't subscribe to the theory that "if we act like them then we are no better than they are."

I wouldn't say that a police delivered beating is justified in all cases, but in this case, under these specific circumstances, it doesn't/wouldn't bother me.
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But then who decides which cases cops can beat the ****** out of someone? Obviosuly, it would have to be them, because it would be done before the defendent gets to trial.

The system isn't perfect. But it is the best we have.

I pray you are not wrongly arrested for killing a cop. However if you are, I think you'd quickly understand why our system works the way it does.

It may suck, but the truth is he was not a cop killer until the judge and jury find him to be just that.
 
The judge and jury in this case is mere formality as he BLEW THE COPS FACE OUT. I don't think anyone here at ATOT
would like the cops to be their own judge and jury but..There are some lines you do not cross, remember cops are
human and cannot always be expected to react like Robo-cop, especially if your friend and co-worker gets his/her
FACE BLOWN OUT by a piece of garbage like that.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
Click to expand...

Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
Click to expand...

I don't subscribe to the theory that "if we act like them then we are no better than they are."

I wouldn't say that a police delivered beating is justified in all cases, but in this case, under these specific circumstances, it doesn't/wouldn't bother me.
Click to expand...

But then who decides which cases cops can beat the ****** out of someone? Obviosuly, it would have to be them, because it would be done before the defendent gets to trial.

The system isn't perfect. But it is the best we have.

I pray you are not wrongly arrested for killing a cop. However if you are, I think you'd quickly understand why our system works the way it does.

It may suck, but the truth is he was not a cop killer until the judge and jury find him to be just that.
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We're just going to have agree to disagree on this. It doesn't bother me.

As for being wrongly arrested for killing a cop... It's a tantalizing argument but really, how many people are wrongly arrested much less for killing a cop? I know HUNDREDS of people and I don't know anyone who has been wrongly accused when they were arrested. Not to say that it doesn't happen but the odds are ridiculous.

Being arrested because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time... It's just never happened to anyone I know. And it's not anything that I worry about.
 
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
You can hear the family members screaming in the background "police brutality!!." this is a guy
who was being questioned about beating up and robbing an elderly woman than grabs the cops
gun and shoots him in the head, killing him. They could throw this a$$hole in a shark tank for
all I care, he's got it coming....
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There should be a rule you can't say police brutality after you just shot a cop point blank in the face. He's still alive, I'm going to guess that the officer is not, he got some bruises and cuts boohoo. This guy also jumped out a 3rd story window, how do we know that did not do some of the damage?

There are many cases of police brutality that exist, this is not one of them. Calling this a case of police brutality is pathetic.

Think about it, the guy was probably still armed with that gun when they had to capture him. He should be lucky he didn't get himself shot.

Life in prison is a proper punishment, he shouldn't get to leave this world, he should have to live up to what he's done.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
Click to expand...

Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
Click to expand...

I don't subscribe to the theory that "if we act like them then we are no better than they are."

I wouldn't say that a police delivered beating is justified in all cases, but in this case, under these specific circumstances, it doesn't/wouldn't bother me.
Click to expand...

But then who decides which cases cops can beat the ****** out of someone? Obviosuly, it would have to be them, because it would be done before the defendent gets to trial.

The system isn't perfect. But it is the best we have.

I pray you are not wrongly arrested for killing a cop. However if you are, I think you'd quickly understand why our system works the way it does.

It may suck, but the truth is he was not a cop killer until the judge and jury find him to be just that.
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We're just going to have agree to disagree on this. It doesn't bother me.

As for being wrongly arrested for killing a cop... It's a tantalizing argument but really, how many people are wrongly arrested much less for killing a cop? I know HUNDREDS of people and I don't know anyone who has been wrongly accused when they were arrested. Not to say that it doesn't happen but the odds are ridiculous.

Being arrested because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time... It's just never happened to anyone I know. And it's not anything that I worry about.
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There are definitely instances where we have not only arrested innocent people, and not only convicted innocent people, but we have also put innocent people to death.

Here is one example,....

http://www.dna.gov/case_studies/convicted_exonerated/bloodsworth

Now, what if the cops had beat the ****** out of him because they "knew" he killed 9yo girl, when in fact, he didn't have anything at all to do with her death? That guy spent 9 years in jail, 2 years on death row, and he was an innocent man.

More...

http://www.aclu.org/capital/innocence/10361pub20031209.html

"On April 8, 2002, Ray Krone was released from prison in Arizona after DNA evidence proved that he was not responsible for the 1991 murder of a Phoenix bartender. Krone became the 100th person exonerated and released from death row since 1973. Convicted twice for a brutal murder, Krone spent ten years in prison, two of them on death row. The DNA evidence that ultimately proved his innocence also implicated the real murderer."


If judges and juries can be wrong, and they certainly have been as proven above, certainly you must see that police officers are capable of a much larger margin of error.
 
Originally posted by: wetcat007
There should be a rule you can't say police brutality after you just shot a cop point blank in the face.
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But what if later evidence finds that said person is not guilty? Police officers are not judges, and are not juries. They cannot convict someone, only arrest them and apprehend them, using force if/when necessary.

This guy also jumped out a 3rd story window, how do we know that did not do some of the damage?
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According to the link I posted, it did most if not all of the damage. His face and head hit concrete when he fell. He also broke a leg.

There are many cases of police brutality that exist, this is not one of them. Calling this a case of police brutality is pathetic.
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Correct, but calling it so is not pethetic, it is just ignorant of the facts of the case.

Think about it, the guy was probably still armed with that gun when they had to capture him. He should be lucky he didn't get himself shot.
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Actually no. They found the gun not far from where he landed. And they found it before they found him.

Life in prison is a proper punishment, he shouldn't get to leave this world, he should have to live up to what he's done.
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That is what the court proclaimed.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
Click to expand...

Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
Click to expand...

I don't subscribe to the theory that "if we act like them then we are no better than they are."

I wouldn't say that a police delivered beating is justified in all cases, but in this case, under these specific circumstances, it doesn't/wouldn't bother me.
Click to expand...

But then who decides which cases cops can beat the ****** out of someone? Obviosuly, it would have to be them, because it would be done before the defendent gets to trial.

The system isn't perfect. But it is the best we have.

I pray you are not wrongly arrested for killing a cop. However if you are, I think you'd quickly understand why our system works the way it does.

It may suck, but the truth is he was not a cop killer until the judge and jury find him to be just that.
Click to expand...

We're just going to have agree to disagree on this. It doesn't bother me.

As for being wrongly arrested for killing a cop... It's a tantalizing argument but really, how many people are wrongly arrested much less for killing a cop? I know HUNDREDS of people and I don't know anyone who has been wrongly accused when they were arrested. Not to say that it doesn't happen but the odds are ridiculous.

Being arrested because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time... It's just never happened to anyone I know. And it's not anything that I worry about.
Click to expand...

There are definitely instances where we have not only arrested innocent people, and not only convicted innocent people, but we have also put innocent people to death.

Here is one example,....

http://www.dna.gov/case_studies/convicted_exonerated/bloodsworth

Now, what if the cops had beat the ****** out of him because they "knew" he killed 9yo girl, when in fact, he didn't have anything at all to do with her death? That guy spent 9 years in jail, 2 years on death row, and he was an innocent man.

More...

http://www.aclu.org/capital/innocence/10361pub20031209.html

"On April 8, 2002, Ray Krone was released from prison in Arizona after DNA evidence proved that he was not responsible for the 1991 murder of a Phoenix bartender. Krone became the 100th person exonerated and released from death row since 1973. Convicted twice for a brutal murder, Krone spent ten years in prison, two of them on death row. The DNA evidence that ultimately proved his innocence also implicated the real murderer."


If judges and juries can be wrong, and they certainly have been as proven above, certainly you must see that police officers are capable of a much larger margin of error.
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen... just that the odds of it happening are ridiculous.

Is it possible that the cops might invade my house tonight and haul me off for killing a cop? Well... there haven't been any cops killed on this island for a while... but for the sake of argment, yeah... it is statistically possible.

Is it also possible that a meteor will crash through my roof and blow a hole through my chest tonight while I sleep? Sure.

But I worry about that as much as I worry about being arested for something I didn't do.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
Click to expand...

Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
Click to expand...

I don't subscribe to the theory that "if we act like them then we are no better than they are."

I wouldn't say that a police delivered beating is justified in all cases, but in this case, under these specific circumstances, it doesn't/wouldn't bother me.
Click to expand...

But then who decides which cases cops can beat the ****** out of someone? Obviosuly, it would have to be them, because it would be done before the defendent gets to trial.

The system isn't perfect. But it is the best we have.

I pray you are not wrongly arrested for killing a cop. However if you are, I think you'd quickly understand why our system works the way it does.

It may suck, but the truth is he was not a cop killer until the judge and jury find him to be just that.
Click to expand...

We're just going to have agree to disagree on this. It doesn't bother me.

As for being wrongly arrested for killing a cop... It's a tantalizing argument but really, how many people are wrongly arrested much less for killing a cop? I know HUNDREDS of people and I don't know anyone who has been wrongly accused when they were arrested. Not to say that it doesn't happen but the odds are ridiculous.

Being arrested because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time... It's just never happened to anyone I know. And it's not anything that I worry about.
Click to expand...

There are definitely instances where we have not only arrested innocent people, and not only convicted innocent people, but we have also put innocent people to death.

Here is one example,....

http://www.dna.gov/case_studies/convicted_exonerated/bloodsworth

Now, what if the cops had beat the ****** out of him because they "knew" he killed 9yo girl, when in fact, he didn't have anything at all to do with her death? That guy spent 9 years in jail, 2 years on death row, and he was an innocent man.

More...

http://www.aclu.org/capital/innocence/10361pub20031209.html

"On April 8, 2002, Ray Krone was released from prison in Arizona after DNA evidence proved that he was not responsible for the 1991 murder of a Phoenix bartender. Krone became the 100th person exonerated and released from death row since 1973. Convicted twice for a brutal murder, Krone spent ten years in prison, two of them on death row. The DNA evidence that ultimately proved his innocence also implicated the real murderer."


If judges and juries can be wrong, and they certainly have been as proven above, certainly you must see that police officers are capable of a much larger margin of error.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying it doesn't happen... just that the odds of it happening are ridiculous.

Is it possible that the cops might invade my house tonight and haul me off for killing a cop? Well... there haven't been any cops killed on this island for a while... but for the sake of argment, yeah... it is statistically possible.

Is it also possible that a meteor will crash through my roof and blow a hole through my chest tonight while I sleep? Sure.

But I worry about that as much as I worry about being arested for something I didn't do.
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Don't you care that it does happen to others? Certainly you are not so self-minded. What if it happened to one of your family members? Or a friend?

It doesn't have to be a cop. It could be a child. It could be something as simple as a cop's car being damaged.

Would you really want to live in a society where the police are also the judge and the jury and the executioner?
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Meh... just my opinion... If you shoot a cop, you're going to get your ass (and everything else) beat. Hard.

It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in.
Click to expand...

Read the link I posted. Presumably, the guy hit his face/head on some concrete, as well as broke a leg, during the fall. It also states that he was taken to the hospital immediately after apprehension due to his injuries.

However, your statement that "It doesn't bother me a bit that this guy got his head caved in," is something I find concerning. We separate the powers of the executive and judicial branches for a reason. Cops are cops. They are not the judges, nor the juries. To think otherwise is, IMHO, un-American. We can only prove our civility by acting differently than criminals, not like them.
Click to expand...

I don't subscribe to the theory that "if we act like them then we are no better than they are."

I wouldn't say that a police delivered beating is justified in all cases, but in this case, under these specific circumstances, it doesn't/wouldn't bother me.
Click to expand...

But then who decides which cases cops can beat the ****** out of someone? Obviosuly, it would have to be them, because it would be done before the defendent gets to trial.

The system isn't perfect. But it is the best we have.

I pray you are not wrongly arrested for killing a cop. However if you are, I think you'd quickly understand why our system works the way it does.

It may suck, but the truth is he was not a cop killer until the judge and jury find him to be just that.
Click to expand...

We're just going to have agree to disagree on this. It doesn't bother me.

As for being wrongly arrested for killing a cop... It's a tantalizing argument but really, how many people are wrongly arrested much less for killing a cop? I know HUNDREDS of people and I don't know anyone who has been wrongly accused when they were arrested. Not to say that it doesn't happen but the odds are ridiculous.

Being arrested because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time... It's just never happened to anyone I know. And it's not anything that I worry about.
Click to expand...

There are definitely instances where we have not only arrested innocent people, and not only convicted innocent people, but we have also put innocent people to death.

Here is one example,....

http://www.dna.gov/case_studies/convicted_exonerated/bloodsworth

Now, what if the cops had beat the ****** out of him because they "knew" he killed 9yo girl, when in fact, he didn't have anything at all to do with her death? That guy spent 9 years in jail, 2 years on death row, and he was an innocent man.

More...

http://www.aclu.org/capital/innocence/10361pub20031209.html

"On April 8, 2002, Ray Krone was released from prison in Arizona after DNA evidence proved that he was not responsible for the 1991 murder of a Phoenix bartender. Krone became the 100th person exonerated and released from death row since 1973. Convicted twice for a brutal murder, Krone spent ten years in prison, two of them on death row. The DNA evidence that ultimately proved his innocence also implicated the real murderer."


If judges and juries can be wrong, and they certainly have been as proven above, certainly you must see that police officers are capable of a much larger margin of error.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying it doesn't happen... just that the odds of it happening are ridiculous.

Is it possible that the cops might invade my house tonight and haul me off for killing a cop? Well... there haven't been any cops killed on this island for a while... but for the sake of argment, yeah... it is statistically possible.

Is it also possible that a meteor will crash through my roof and blow a hole through my chest tonight while I sleep? Sure.

But I worry about that as much as I worry about being arested for something I didn't do.
Click to expand...

Don't you care that it does happen to others? Certainly you are not so self-minded. What if it happened to one of your family members? Or a friend?

It doesn't have to be a cop. It could be a child. It could be something as simple as a cop's car being damaged.
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Of course it bothers me when innocent people get caught up in things like that. Nobody wants to see an innocent person treated like a criminal. But how often does it really happen? What are the odds of being arrested for something you didn't do much less get convicted of it? You'd have a better chance of winning the lotto.

What's more, how does it apply in this case? The guy killed a cop. There isn't any debate about it. He's not innocent. This isn't a case of mistaken identity. He killed a cop and he got his ass kicked before he went to trial. Right now he's in prison and he's probably hailed as a hero by the inmates. He killed a cop... free ciggs and no worries in the shower.


 
Obviously this guy was a bad dude but you people who get happy over this kind of government sanctioned brutality scare the HELL out of me more then this guy does.
 
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