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PSA: don't do business favors for friends

brainhulk

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I have a friend who worked on the side (just once a week) for her friend's office as a favor. The office was not doing so well and was constantly behind on paying her. The mall where the office is raises the rent so the office was forced to close down. Office then declares bankruptcy and the friends haven't talked since.

Is my friend SOL on her unpaid checks?
 
I have a friend who worked on the side (just once a week) for her friend's office as a favor. The office was not doing so well and was constantly behind on paying her. The mall where the office is raises the rent so the office was forced to close down. Office then declares bankruptcy and the friends haven't talked since.

Is my friend SOL on her unpaid checks?
Probably SOL. And shame on her for doing work with an employer constantly behind on checks. That is a disgusting, fvcking egregious way to treat somebody and in not so many words says: "You are a little bitch to us and we don't care about your pay." And if the place truly honestly cannot find the money, why bother working to them? They may shut down and you lose all your paychecks...
 
the lesson here is to never trust anyone and don't do work on the side.

I'd amend that to say "don't do work you can't afford to lose". Working outside the system has benefits and drawbacks, and it's up to the individual to weigh the potential risks.
 
Never do "favors" for friends that involve money. first its not a favor and 2nd shit like this can happen.
 
I'd amend that to say "don't do work you can't afford to lose". Working outside the system has benefits and drawbacks, and it's up to the individual to weigh the potential risks.

If you're doing work 'off the record' you have 0.0 expectation of protection whatsoever. Lesson learned for her, hopefully.

PS textbook definition of insanity right there... why would you keep coming in to work while you're not getting paid for it? The stove is still hot.. stop touching it dumbass.
 
PS textbook definition of insanity right there... why would you keep coming in to work while you're not getting paid for it? The stove is still hot.. stop touching it dumbass.

This.

If the work is "under the table," I'd expect to be paid before I leave. As soon as you stop paying, I stop showing up. Simple as that.

Granted, I mowed several lawns as a kid to make money. One customer was my neighbor who had rental properties. It was easy enough to bill him for multiple services performed (IE multiple mowings) rather than seeing him after every time I mowed. He always paid, I never had a reason to worry about it.

But yeah, she's probably not getting a dime. Lesson learned and move on.
 
I didn't see anything in the OP that said the friend was working "under the table," merely "on the side."

I've done lots of "side jobs" over the years that had full taxes taken from my pay, I just wasn't a regular, full-time employee.

We need clarification...however, employee wages/salaries are supposed to be treated as "Priority claims."

http://employmentlaw101.blogspot.com/2011/03/payment-of-employee-wages-in-bankruptcy.html

Collecting however, especially for side work, may be difficult.
 
I do side work (contract) and get paid by cheque, but have to file my own taxes, which I do (to the best of my knowledge meaning I throw it in as "additional income").

As for "insanity"... My side job is like that too. I "render services", then get paid months later. Luckily, it's a side job where the money goes straight into the bank. If I needed it to live, screw that.
 
I never talk about money with my friends. If they wanna pay me or pay me back, fine. If they don't, no biggie. People who keep a black book for the favors and money their friends owe them shouldn't have those friends in the 1st place. They're not your friends, they're your business associates.
 
She was employed as an independent contractor on a 1099, the business had records they owed her $xxxxx amount of money

Ah well that's certainly a different story then. She could probably still get her $ out of the funds provided by the bankruptcy. There is a valid paper trail.
 
I'd amend that to say "don't do work you can't afford to lose". Working outside the system has benefits and drawbacks, and it's up to the individual to weigh the potential risks.

So much this, if you're doing a second job and relying on the money to survive and are not living near impoverished than you need to reorder your priorities. My aunt does this, she gets ~80k a year from her full time job and works a part time on the side making ~15-20k a year from it. She lives as if she had a 100k paycheck and if she loses the part time she'll end up bankrupt, it has happened to her before. Same exact situation.

If it truely was a "favor" then the money shouldn't be enough of a rut to ruin a friendship over. If it was a job she was relying on than it wasn't a favor.

Now assuming she is not under the table I would personally take the appropriate steps to obtain the money, if they're under the table they're probably SOL. Either way I don't think I would personally blame the friend. Could just be me being a pushover though.
 
She was employed as an independent contractor on a 1099, the business had records they owed her $xxxxx amount of money

If the business was incorporated and is now bankrupt, there's not much she can do. She's just another in (probably) a long line of unsecured creditors on the business' remaining assets. If it's incorporated, there's not much she could do in the way of going after the owners personally either. Unless she could find some way to prove that they intended never to pay her and were using the company as a shield, but that seems unlikely.

She will want to check her 1099 forms though. If the 1099s are filed the IRS will see that as income even if she never received a check, and the IRS will assess taxes on that money (and, since it's 1099, she'll have to pay the higher self-employment rates and file a Schedule C along with her 1040). If the 1099 shows income that was never actually paid to her, she'll need to have the company issue a corrected 1099 showing only the amount she actually received. Otherwise have fun litigating the issue with the IRS.

ZV
 
If the business was incorporated and is now bankrupt, there's not much she can do. She's just another in (probably) a long line of unsecured creditors on the business' remaining assets. If it's incorporated, there's not much she could do in the way of going after the owners personally either. Unless she could find some way to prove that they intended never to pay her and were using the company as a shield, but that seems unlikely.

She will want to check her 1099 forms though. If the 1099s are filed the IRS will see that as income even if she never received a check, and the IRS will assess taxes on that money (and, since it's 1099, she'll have to pay the higher self-employment rates and file a Schedule C along with her 1040). If the 1099 shows income that was never actually paid to her, she'll need to have the company issue a corrected 1099 showing only the amount she actually received. Otherwise have fun litigating the issue with the IRS.

ZV

I asked her to if they were incorporated, she didn't know off hand. Any way she may be able to recover something from the liquidated assets?
 
She probably just needs to chalk it up to a life lesson and move on.

Sucks that she's out of the money she thought was coming, but she can focus on that or focus on getting actual paying work with the same time and effort.
 
I have a friends and family rule.

I won't do work for them or hire them to do work for me. I'll do stuff for free for them and sometimes the favor will be returned. But money is to never change hands.
 
Ah well that's certainly a different story then. She could probably still get her $ out of the funds provided by the bankruptcy. There is a valid paper trail.

The priority order
As per the Federal Bankruptcy Code, the “priority claims” are divided into the following 10 categories with decreasing order of priority:
1. Domestic support obligations: These are claims for support that is to be given to the spouse, former spouse, child, or child’s representative. Any claims by a governmental unit that has extended support for the debtor’s family obligations, come within this category but with a lower priority.
2. Administrative expenses: These are expenses required to administer the bankruptcy case itself. Originally, administrative expenses had the highest priority. But with the passage of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (BAPCPA), the Domestic Support Obligations was lifted to the highest priority level. Nevertheless, this category has a de facto priority over Domestic Support Obligations, because such expenses are deducted from the bankruptcy estate, before they are paid to DSO recipients. The courts allow the top priority for administrative expenses as no trustee will oversee a bankruptcy case for nothing.
3. Claims in an involuntary bankruptcy petition under Chapter 7 or Chapter 11: Such claims arise between the filing of the involuntary petition by the debtor’s creditors and issuance of the relief order by the court. These claims need to be prioritized, or else creditors would not deal with the debtor in a situation where the debtor has not declared bankruptcy and the court has not yet ruled in the creditors’ favor.
4. Employee wages: Employee wages up to $10,950 per worker, for the 180 day period prior to either the bankruptcy filing or when the business ceased to operate (whichever is earlier).
5. Unpaid contributions to employee benefit plans during the 180-day period prior to bankruptcy filing.
6. Claims by a grain producers by a fisherman for grain/fish, for up to $5400 per grain-producer/fisherman.
7. Consumer layaway plan deposits up to $2,425 each.
8. Taxes outside of bankruptcy: Normally taxes have a higher priority, when they are outside the purview of bankruptcy. Therefore, creditors prefer to file an involuntary bankruptcy petition against the debtor, so that they can receive more priority in bankruptcy than they would outside it.
9. Debtor’s obligation to a Federal depository institution in order to preserve the capital of the institution.
10. Claims for death or personal injury from a motor vehicle that occurred while the debtor was driving it and was intoxicated.
Every category of priority creditors must be paid in full before the next category of creditors can receive their payment. Normally, unsecured creditors receive lowest priority. If there is not enough money left to pay a priority category in full, then all the members of that category receive a pro rata share of the leftover.

OP's friend falls under (4), so if there is anything left after (3) seems like she has a shot.
 
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