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PSA: Do you know what to do when the Star Spangled Banner is played?

Bateluer

Lifer
After witnessing several disgraceful displays by idiots at the PF Changs Rock and Roll Marathon this morning, I need to get this off my chest.

When the Star Spangled Banner is played, do you know what you should be doing? I'll give you a hint, if you have a hat on, are doing a thigh stretch, and are discussing the impending run with your buddy, you are WRONG!

I wish I had been able to snap a picture of this girl so I could label it with 'EPIC FAIL' and distribute it around the Internet, but I was actually rendering proper courtesy.

At the RNR AZ Marathon start this morning, I saw dozens of people in various positions when the anthem was played. Absolutely fricking disgraceful. Had anyone been stupid enough to do this during any US Military event, that individual would find themselves in world of hurt.

For those of you who don't know, TITLE 36 > Subtitle I > Part A > CHAPTER 3 > § 301 of the United States Code spells out very clearly what both civilians and uniformed service members are supposed to be doing during the playback or rendition of the Star Spangled Banner. Now, I already knew what needed to be done from 6 years of military service, I am merely posting this as a reference for those who do not know or uncertain.

(a) Designation.? The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b) Conduct During Playing.? During a rendition of the national anthem?

(1) when the flag is displayed?
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;

(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

When you fail to render the proper respect, you not only make yourself look like an idiot, you disrespect the United States and the millions of service people in the military, law enforcement, firefighters, etc, who put their lives on the line every day to make sure you get to sleep soundly at night.
 
With all due respect, that law is unconstitutional and can't be enforced. Like it or not, everyone is entitled to free speech and freedom of expression.
 
While I agree with the OP that failing to render honor to the American Flag is disrespectful, I also know that there are individuals in this country who have no honor to this country based upon their individual beliefs. And because of the men and women serving in uniform today and in the past have given themselves to protect that honor, I cannot in good sense force my beliefs upon those who will not listen.

In short, I will render appropriate honor to the American Flag and try not to look down my nose at those who fail to.
 
I still remember the first Yankees baseball game after 9/11, during the national anthem they showed some guy in the stands chugging a beer.

 
Originally posted by: looker001
With all due respect, that law is unconstitutional and can't be enforced. Like it or not, everyone is entitled to free speech and freedom of expression.

With all due respect, please leave this thread.


You have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression but if you do not respect the history of this country you do not deserve to have those freedoms.

Thank you, come again.
 
Hah wow there's actually a law enforcing proper behavior during the Star Spangled Banner? I learned what you were supposed to do during it but I never actually knew you were bound by law to do it. Seems kind of wrong.
 
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
With all due respect, that law is unconstitutional and can't be enforced. Like it or not, everyone is entitled to free speech and freedom of expression.

With all due respect, please leave this thread.


You have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression but if you do not respect the history of this country you do not deserve to have those freedoms.

Thank you, come again.

Uh...what? Do you not understand what those freedoms are? Your post makes no sense at all. You contradict yourself within one sentence.
 
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
With all due respect, that law is unconstitutional and can't be enforced. Like it or not, everyone is entitled to free speech and freedom of expression.

With all due respect, please leave this thread.


You have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression but if you do not respect the history of this country you do not deserve to have those freedoms.

Thank you, come again.

Uh...what? Do you not understand what those freedoms are? Your post makes no sense at all. You contradict yourself within one sentence.


You have the rights but you do not deserve to have them. How exactly is that contradictory?


EDIT:
Defined:

Have - To possess, own, hold
Deserve - worthy of being treated in a particular way
 
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
With all due respect, that law is unconstitutional and can't be enforced. Like it or not, everyone is entitled to free speech and freedom of expression.

With all due respect, please leave this thread.


You have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression but if you do not respect the history of this country you do not deserve to have those freedoms.

Thank you, come again.

Uh...what? Do you not understand what those freedoms are? Your post makes no sense at all. You contradict yourself within one sentence.


You have the rights but you do not deserve to have them. How exactly is that contradictory?

It's a complete contradiction.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
With all due respect, that law is unconstitutional and can't be enforced. Like it or not, everyone is entitled to free speech and freedom of expression.

With all due respect, please leave this thread.


You have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression but if you do not respect the history of this country you do not deserve to have those freedoms.

Thank you, come again.

Uh...what? Do you not understand what those freedoms are? Your post makes no sense at all. You contradict yourself within one sentence.


You have the rights but you do not deserve to have them. How exactly is that contradictory?

It's a complete contradiction.

Above post was edited:

EDIT:
Defined:

Have - To possess, own, hold
Deserve - worthy of being treated in a particular way

Ninja edit:
you can HAVE something but not DESERVE it.
 
I agree 100% with the OP.

I also agree that Americans have the right to be completely disrespectful toward the flag however disgusting I find their actions to be.
 
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Above post was edited:

EDIT:
Defined:

Have - To possess, own, hold
Deserve - worthy of being treated in a particular way

Ninja edit:
you can HAVE something but not DESERVE it.

I think the contradiction is that the reason a person has those rights is because they, as a US citizen, deserve those rights. Now it could be just your personal opinion that someone should not have the same rights granted to everyone else etc...
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
It's a complete contradiction.

It's just like those who insist on burning the flag. It may really piss me off, but I'll defend your right to do so.

If people don't want to sing the national anthem with a hand (or hat) over their heart (or saluting if in uniform) while standing out of respect, it may really piss someone (like me) off --but it's still your right not to do so.

Don't like it? Tough shit. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Above post was edited:

EDIT:
Defined:

Have - To possess, own, hold
Deserve - worthy of being treated in a particular way

Ninja edit:
you can HAVE something but not DESERVE it.

I think the contradiction is that the reason a person has those rights is because they, as a US citizen, deserve those rights. Now it could be just your personal opinion that someone should not have the same rights granted to everyone else etc...

Exactly.

It would be a particularly fascist and un-American opinion, but he deserves the right to express it. And this concept doesn't stop at American citizens, though legal protection does. No less than the Declaration of Independence states that these rights apply to all men. It's unbelievable that someone can call themselves a patriot while simultaneously endorsing a reversal of the very ideas that make up the core of our nation.

As for showing respect for the people who keep us safe, I'm all for that. But they don't do it for a flag. People sacrifice for all kinds of political and ideological reasons. But mostly, they make sacrifices for each other. I respect the people defending this nation, but the constitution is what makes it worth defending. And the flag code has already been shown to be unenforceable on constitutional grounds.
 
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