PSA: do not talk to your coworkers about Zimmerman case.

[SSSnail]

You'll be even more disappointed in some of them than you are now; also, you'll find a few more idiots than you knew.

 

[Mixolydian]

Don't talk politics/religion/social issues with co-workers, period.

 

[Red Squirrel]

We talked about it a bit at work as we usually have the news on. Everyone agrees it's bullshit they let him off easy, which is interesting as it seems the consensus on the internet is that people actually agree with the ruling.

 

[Slew Foot]

We talked about it a bit at work as we usually have the news on. Everyone agrees it's bullshit they let him off easy, which is interesting as it seems the consensus on the internet is that people actually agree with the ruling.

Next time someones pounding your head into the pavement youll just sit back and take it, right?

 

[KeithTalent]

We talked about it a bit at work as we usually have the news on. Everyone agrees it's bullshit they let him off easy, which is interesting as it seems the consensus on the internet is that people actually agree with the ruling.

My guess is it's a US vs. Canada thing.

KT

 

[Ns1]

Next time someones pounding your head into the pavement youll just sit back and take it, right?

sounds very canadian.

 

[Ichinisan]

We talked about it a bit at work as we usually have the news on. Everyone agrees it's bullshit they let him off easy, which is interesting as it seems the consensus on the internet is that people actually agree with the ruling.

Your coworkers are idiots.

I stopped following this story shortly after it got big because I read some facts and listened to the 911 calls on the Wikipedia page. I concluded that it was clearly justified self-defense. I can't believe the media was allowed to continually misrepresent it for so long.

I was shocked that the story didn't die. Shocked there was even a trial.

 

[SheHateMe]

Nobody is making a peep about it at work....actually, Maury was on the TV in the cafe today at lunchtime. They took away the remotes. Normally, the news it on.

 

[lxskllr]

Next time someones pounding your head into the pavement youll just sit back and take it, right?

Don't forget to apologize for bruising his knuckles :^P

 

[Red Squirrel]

My guess is it's a US vs. Canada thing.

KT

Yeah, since even on Facebook most people (here) don't agree with the way the trial ended either. People also like to make fun of the fact that Kinder Surprises are illegal in the states. :biggrin: Usually somehow gets brought up at the same time.

 

[JackBurton]

Don't forget to apologize for bruising his knuckles :^P

Well I think that's just common courtesy.

 

[Doppel]

Nobody is making a peep about it at work....actually, Maury was on the TV in the cafe today at lunchtime. They took away the remotes. Normally, the news it on.

That is for the best. I spoke to nobody about it.

 

[KentState]

Don't dare talk about it, but the company outing is at the gun range tomorrow.

 

[actuarial]

Next time someones pounding your head into the pavement youll just sit back and take it, right?

It has nothing to do with that. It's a completely different gun culture here, so the idea that someone can follow a potential criminal while armed is too far out there to objectively analyze the situation.

I think the law was applied correctly, and don't think this necessarily proves the law should be changed (though it's bordering on the problems I see with SYG in general), but I also think that Zimmerman deserves some responsibility for what happened (note: not legal responsibility based on current law).

I think others feel the same, and most people can't separate 'I think he deserves some blame' from 'we need a system of laws to follow and they're not always perfect'.

 

[JackBurton]

It has nothing to do with that. It's a completely different gun culture here, so the idea that someone can follow a potential criminal while armed is too far out there to objectively analyze the situation.

I think the law was applied correctly, and don't think this necessarily proves the law should be changed (though it's bordering on the problems I see with SYG in general), but I also think that Zimmerman deserves some responsibility for what happened (note: not legal responsibility based on current law).

I think others feel the same, and most people can't separate 'I think he deserves some blame' from 'we need a system of laws to follow and they're not always perfect'.

The laws work just fine as it is. Ask yourself this, if both followed the law, would either of them have a scratch on them? Zimmerman followed the law, TM did not. And THAT was the problem.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think the law was applied correctly, and don't think this necessarily proves the law should be changed (though it's bordering on the problems I see with SYG in general), but I also think that Zimmerman deserves some responsibility for what happened (note: not legal responsibility based on current law).

This makes no sense. You're saying he could not watch/follow a suspicious person in his neighborhood...a neighborhood that had been plagued with break-ins and theft.

You're saying that people should do nothing about the problem.

Either that, or you're saying he should not have been able to defend himself from a brutal beating that could have killed him.

This case emphasizes the importance of our right to bear arms.

 

[Ichinisan]

The laws work just fine as it is. Ask yourself this, if both followed the law, would either of them have a scratch on them? Zimmerman followed the law, TM did not. And THAT was the problem.

This.

 

[Doppel]

This makes no sense. You're saying he could not watch/follow a suspicious person in his neighborhood...a neighborhood that had been plagued with break-ins and theft.

You're saying that people should do nothing about the problem.

Either that, or you're saying he should not have been able to defend himself from a brutal beating that could have killed him.

This case emphasizes the importance of our right to bear arms.

Agree. I originally equivocated a little and said although GZ was mostly innocent that he acted improperly. I no longer hold this view, I think there is no evidence he did anything wrong whatsoever, including getting out of his car. He bears no responsibility for being assaulted based on evidence presented.

 

[clamum]

I work with probably 90% liberals and I'm centrist and kinda libertarian so I just keep my mouth shut. There's no way I'm gonna argue with a co-worker over politics/religion, ugh.

 

[Ichinisan]

I work with probably 90% liberals and I'm centrist and kinda libertarian so I just keep my mouth shut. There's no way I'm gonna argue with a co-worker over politics/religion, ugh.

Smart one.

 

[actuarial]

This makes no sense. You're saying he could not watch/follow a suspicious person in his neighborhood...a neighborhood that had been plagued with break-ins and theft.

You're saying that people should do nothing about the problem.

Either that, or you're saying he should not have been able to defend himself from a brutal beating that could have killed him.

This case emphasizes the importance of our right to bear arms.

I didn't say either of those things, but the false dichotomy doesn't surprise me.

He called police, they were sending someone out, there was no reason to continue. In addition, we've been given no evidence that Trayvon was doing anything wrong prior to the altercation (so there was no legitimate reason to follow him).

Again, I don't think there should be legal penalty for this, but had Zimmerman left policing to the people we appoint to do so, two people would be alive instead of one. Had he not been armed, I doubt he would have decided to track someone he thought was a criminal.

 

[actuarial]

The laws work just fine as it is. Ask yourself this, if both followed the law, would either of them have a scratch on them? Zimmerman followed the law, TM did not. And THAT was the problem.

Did you miss the part where I said the law was applied correctly, and this case isn't a reason to change the law?

 

[JackBurton]

Did you miss the part where I said the law was applied correctly, and this case isn't a reason to change the law?

If Zimmerman was following the law, how does he deserve some responsibility (legal or otherwise)? That's like saying a woman deserves SOME responsibility for being raped because of what she was wearing. AGAIN, if both followed the law, both leave the situation without a scratch.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I haven't... because I just don't give a shit.

 

[actuarial]

If Zimmerman was following the law, how does he deserve some responsibility (legal or otherwise)? That's like saying a woman deserves SOME responsibility for being raped because of what she was wearing. AGAIN, if both followed the law, both leave the situation without a scratch.

That's a nice false equivalency, and only applies if you believe as long as you follow the law you should bear no responsibility for what your actions lead to.

If guy A walks up to a guy B, tells him his wife's snatch tastes like honey nut cheerios and guy B punches him out, guy A deserves some responsibility for getting punched out. Guy A did not do anything illegal.