Sometimes (maybe all the time?) there is a speed where above it, you have to go to court, below it, you can just mail in your ticket payment. It's good to know where this line is. I got a speeding ticket long ago where I was over that line, and the difference between what the mail-in ticket would have me pay versus the number the judge picked out of her hat was the difference between $125 and $450. Big difference.
Update 4-13-07
Receieved a letter today that the court date is wrong after I alerted the clerk to that.
They gave an extra 30 days now, isn't that special of them?
Lanagan Missouri Speed Trap
Receieved a letter today that the court date is wrong after I alerted the clerk to that.
They gave an extra 30 days now, isn't that special of them?
Lanagan Missouri Speed Trap
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Lifer
Court is later today.
Will update tonight.
Sad to see how many support speed traps on here but not totally surprised given the money hungry nature the country has fallen into.
Will update tonight.
Sad to see how many support speed traps on here but not totally surprised given the money hungry nature the country has fallen into.
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Will be a classic defense strategy of misdirection and Chewbacca.
He'll stand up and tell the judge that it's not really his fault, but rather the fault of rich Republicans, Bush, Cheney, investment bankers, stockbrokers, etc. etc. He'll then proclaim that the court is full of traitors, thieves and "non-Americans", and that being the last "real" American he should be acquitted of all charges.
I wasn't doing nearly 50 mph is their little podunk town.
The red pickup in front of me might have been I surely wasn't.
I'd like to see hard proof of some kind of time continium warp that is able to make my van appear to be going nearly 30% faster as it really is.
The story as I have been told was this school teacher was on her way to work at the school when this Noel cop (they call him Marshal in this area) pulled her over for doing 4 mph over the limit in the school zone as she was pulling into the school parking lot.
She was already in the school door when the Marshal told her she has to come back to the car to sign her ticket. She said she would have to wait for another school personel to arrive because she cannot leave the kids alone in the school building.
The Marshal then got beligerent and demanded she come to car now or be arrested.
She ignored him and he grabbed her and cuffed her in front of the school kids, threw her in the police car and took her away to jail.
4-25-2007 Noel residents mum on ouster of city marshal
NOEL, Mo. ? When the Noel City Council opened its special session at 7:05 p.m. Wednesday to hear why the city marshal should be impeached, not one resident spoke.
Mayor Paul Gardner earlier in the day had said that it was expected that a teacher at Noel Elementary School would be among those speaking about the actions of Marshal Ellsworth ?Ozzie? Amos.
Gardner said the teacher was stopped recently by Noel police officers for a ?minor traffic violation? when things ?went bad.?
?She ended up in handcuffs ? in front of the school, in front of the kids,? Gardner said.
The council then voted 3-2 to table a closed session on legal and personnel issues.
The meeting adjourned at 7:12 p.m.
Residents quickly dispersed, declining to comment on the matter.
One resident did say that people in Noel are afraid of retaliation for speaking against the marshal?s office, but that they are tired of what they call ?Gestapo-style police force.?
Gardner said the city has had issues with the marshal?s office regarding the use of authority.
?This is a cumulative thing,? he said. ?We have had issues with the marshal.?
Because the city marshal is elected rather than appointed, discussion regarding impeachment is held in open session. The council first would vote to form an impeachment board composed of four council members to hear the allegations and determine if charges, including criminal charges, would be filed. The mayor can only preside over the meeting. If it agrees to proceed, the board then would meet to hear the charges. A vote on impeachment would be taken by the entire council at a third meeting.
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Bad policing's one thing (on which, admittedly, our area seems to hold a patent), but tossing around Nazi terms ("Gestapo-style") to describe it is a reach. Perhaps if Noel endures its own Kristallnacht--then it might be appropriate. As for now, let's just say "bad policing." No need to hype something which doesn't include mass arrests of ethnic groups and subsequent forced labor camps and death. Keep your perspective. One lugnut does not equal the Waffen-SS.
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Jerry Hawkins writes:
I will speak up. It is not only in Noel but in most cities in McDonald county to include the sheriffs office. These people make up the law or outright break the law to do so-called law enforcement.
She was already in the school door when the Marshal told her she has to come back to the car to sign her ticket. She said she would have to wait for another school personel to arrive because she cannot leave the kids alone in the school building.
The Marshal then got beligerent and demanded she come to car now or be arrested.
She ignored him and he grabbed her and cuffed her in front of the school kids, threw her in the police car and took her away to jail.
4-25-2007 Noel residents mum on ouster of city marshal
NOEL, Mo. ? When the Noel City Council opened its special session at 7:05 p.m. Wednesday to hear why the city marshal should be impeached, not one resident spoke.
Mayor Paul Gardner earlier in the day had said that it was expected that a teacher at Noel Elementary School would be among those speaking about the actions of Marshal Ellsworth ?Ozzie? Amos.
Gardner said the teacher was stopped recently by Noel police officers for a ?minor traffic violation? when things ?went bad.?
?She ended up in handcuffs ? in front of the school, in front of the kids,? Gardner said.
The council then voted 3-2 to table a closed session on legal and personnel issues.
The meeting adjourned at 7:12 p.m.
Residents quickly dispersed, declining to comment on the matter.
One resident did say that people in Noel are afraid of retaliation for speaking against the marshal?s office, but that they are tired of what they call ?Gestapo-style police force.?
Gardner said the city has had issues with the marshal?s office regarding the use of authority.
?This is a cumulative thing,? he said. ?We have had issues with the marshal.?
Because the city marshal is elected rather than appointed, discussion regarding impeachment is held in open session. The council first would vote to form an impeachment board composed of four council members to hear the allegations and determine if charges, including criminal charges, would be filed. The mayor can only preside over the meeting. If it agrees to proceed, the board then would meet to hear the charges. A vote on impeachment would be taken by the entire council at a third meeting.
==================================================
Bad policing's one thing (on which, admittedly, our area seems to hold a patent), but tossing around Nazi terms ("Gestapo-style") to describe it is a reach. Perhaps if Noel endures its own Kristallnacht--then it might be appropriate. As for now, let's just say "bad policing." No need to hype something which doesn't include mass arrests of ethnic groups and subsequent forced labor camps and death. Keep your perspective. One lugnut does not equal the Waffen-SS.
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Jerry Hawkins writes:
I will speak up. It is not only in Noel but in most cities in McDonald county to include the sheriffs office. These people make up the law or outright break the law to do so-called law enforcement.
Originally posted by: yllus
I'm in favour of anything that takes money out of dmcowen674's pocket. Bring on the speed traps!
Apparently they don't have speed traps in Canada???
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
Just because I've seen the word pop up a few times in this thread: Some of you need to learn the meaning of the word entrapment.
Entrapment: A defense to criminal charges alleging that agents of the government induced a person to commit a crime he or she otherwise would not have committed.
Speed traps are NOT, I repeat, NOT something you can use the entrapment defense on. The cops aren't making you speed above the speed limit when you normally wouldn't.
Entrapment: A defense to criminal charges alleging that agents of the government induced a person to commit a crime he or she otherwise would not have committed.
Speed traps are NOT, I repeat, NOT something you can use the entrapment defense on. The cops aren't making you speed above the speed limit when you normally wouldn't.
Wrong - The signage makes it entrapment. Unless you've discovered some quantum physics method of speed reduction in the thickness of a sign you have entrapment.
Tonight is the "Trial" in this little town.
No, next thursday. Thought today was the 17th already.
No, next thursday. Thought today was the 17th already.
Today is the trial.
Also here in Oklahoma they just re-instated Speed Traps as many towns complained they are hurting since gas prices are eating into their budgets.
They were restricted to 50% of revenue for speeding tickets and now they are allowed to generate more than 50% of their revenue from speeding tickets.
I laughed and was angered at same time when the Big Cabin Sheriff was interviewed and he said they do it for safety purposes and not for generating revenue.
I will add Big Cabin Oklahoma and the other towns setting up speed traps in Oklahoma to my Speed Trap page.
Edit: Here is history of Big Cabin Oklahoma Speed Traps:
7-26-2005 Oklahoma Shuts Down Speed Trap
Police in Big Cabin, Oklahoma will have their ticket-writing privileges suspended for six months beginning next Monday.
This action follows a state Department of Public Safety investigation that found nearly three-fourths of the town's revenue -- $492,826 of its $681,028 budget -- came from traffic citations in the last fiscal year.
Under Oklahoma law, a city may not receive more than half its income from such fines.
The majority of the revenue came from enforcing the speed limit on US highway 69, which is 55 MPH through the town -- except for one quarter-mile stretch where it drops to 45 MPH. A local truck stop owner who believed the excessive speed enforcement was hurting business erected a large "speed trap ahead" sign to warn motorists. After the problem continued, the owner filed the successful speed trap complaint against the town.
State troopers will enforce the laws on US 69 until February 1, 2006.
Article Excerpt:
How to report a speed trap
Legislation approved in 2004 allows the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety to investigate communities that gain 50 percent or more of their operating revenue from writing tickets on state or federal highways within or on the outskirts of that town.
The state can legally prevent cities from enforcing traffic laws on the highways if they are viewed as abusing that right.
The DPS must have approval from the state attorney general before designating an area as "special traffic-related enforcement."
All complaints against alleged speed traps must be filed with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety in writing.
Complaints should be mailed to the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety, P.O. Box 11415, Oklahoma City, Okla., 73136-0415.
Online complaints also can be filed at: www.dps.state.ok.us
Source: Speed trap snaps on town (Tulsa World, 7/22/2005)
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8/8/2006 Oklahoma Fights Speed Trap Towns
Speed trap towns are under fire in the state of Oklahoma where a 2003 law forbids municipalities from generating more than half its revenue from traffic citations. Already, Shamrock and Big Cabin have been stripped of their authority to issue tickets. Now, Stringtown and Kiowa are in the crosshairs.
Department of Public Safety inspectors spent two weeks going over records in those towns. A Tulsa World audit of 73 eastern and southeastern small towns found that one out of five -- fifteen towns -- relied upon tickets as the primary source of revenue in 2005.
Kiowa has adopted changes in light of the state police investigation. The town previously used only unmarked police vehicles. Now patrol cars will be painted. Kiowa has released five miles of territory it had annexed in order to ticket drivers on US 69. The police chief also pledged to start issuing warnings to motorists.
The towns that earn more money from traffic tickets than the sales tax are as follows, listed by the percentage of cash earned from tickets: Caney, Moffett, Kiowa, Stringtown, Sportsman Acres, Marble City, Talala, Tupelo, Big Cabin, McCurtain, West Siloam Spring, Boynton, Gans, South Coffeyville and Shady Point.
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5-16-2007 New Law ends towns' speed trap designation ...
Police in towns once deemed speed traps will again be allowed to patrol state and U.S. highways in their city limits.
The Legislature passed a bill this session that does away with speed trap designation. An amendment to House Bill 1616 allows city police officers to patrol and issue tickets on portions of state and U.S. highways that run through their city limits. The bill does not pertain to interstate highways.
The bill, written by Rep. Paul Roan, D-Tishomingo, includes numerous pages of updates to statutes and clarifications requested by the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety.
Bill was changed late in the process
But Rep. Glen "Bud? Smithson, D-Sallisaw, said Roan made a shrewd move to change the law to benefit cities in his district.
Smithson, also a retired state trooper, called Roan's amendment a "woolly-booger,? a colloquial term for last-minute language inserted in a bill that has far-reaching impact.
"He's a very sharp House member, and he saw an opportunity to get a woolly-booger right in the middle of this bill,? said Smithson. "Nobody bothered to read it because it was a clean-up bill.?
Smithson, whose district includes Moffett, opposed the change in the law and said he's making plans to file legislation next session to limit a community's ability to issue tickets.
Smithson authored the bill that set restrictions on how much money a city can get from issuing traffic tickets. After Moffett was declared a speed trap and barred from issuing tickets along U.S. 64, the city asked for bankruptcy protection.
"I don't think public safety should solely be used to build revenue for a community,? Smithson said. "It should be to protect the public. That should be its sole purpose.?
Preventing crime?
Traffic stops are integral to stopping other crimes, Roan said.
During a year's time in Caney, routine traffic stops resulted in 102 felony arrests, Roan said.
"Must of those were drug-related,? Roan said. "U.S. 69 is the new pipeline for dope that's coming out of Texas.?
People who are following the law shouldn't have to worry about the change, Roan said.
"I look at it as a user fee,? he said. "If they're not speeding, they don't have to pay. I think what I did was speak up for law enforcement. People need to learn to obey those speeding signs and not pay the fines.?
Also here in Oklahoma they just re-instated Speed Traps as many towns complained they are hurting since gas prices are eating into their budgets.
They were restricted to 50% of revenue for speeding tickets and now they are allowed to generate more than 50% of their revenue from speeding tickets.
I laughed and was angered at same time when the Big Cabin Sheriff was interviewed and he said they do it for safety purposes and not for generating revenue.
I will add Big Cabin Oklahoma and the other towns setting up speed traps in Oklahoma to my Speed Trap page.
Edit: Here is history of Big Cabin Oklahoma Speed Traps:
7-26-2005 Oklahoma Shuts Down Speed Trap
Police in Big Cabin, Oklahoma will have their ticket-writing privileges suspended for six months beginning next Monday.
This action follows a state Department of Public Safety investigation that found nearly three-fourths of the town's revenue -- $492,826 of its $681,028 budget -- came from traffic citations in the last fiscal year.
Under Oklahoma law, a city may not receive more than half its income from such fines.
The majority of the revenue came from enforcing the speed limit on US highway 69, which is 55 MPH through the town -- except for one quarter-mile stretch where it drops to 45 MPH. A local truck stop owner who believed the excessive speed enforcement was hurting business erected a large "speed trap ahead" sign to warn motorists. After the problem continued, the owner filed the successful speed trap complaint against the town.
State troopers will enforce the laws on US 69 until February 1, 2006.
Article Excerpt:
How to report a speed trap
Legislation approved in 2004 allows the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety to investigate communities that gain 50 percent or more of their operating revenue from writing tickets on state or federal highways within or on the outskirts of that town.
The state can legally prevent cities from enforcing traffic laws on the highways if they are viewed as abusing that right.
The DPS must have approval from the state attorney general before designating an area as "special traffic-related enforcement."
All complaints against alleged speed traps must be filed with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety in writing.
Complaints should be mailed to the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety, P.O. Box 11415, Oklahoma City, Okla., 73136-0415.
Online complaints also can be filed at: www.dps.state.ok.us
Source: Speed trap snaps on town (Tulsa World, 7/22/2005)
============================================
8/8/2006 Oklahoma Fights Speed Trap Towns
Speed trap towns are under fire in the state of Oklahoma where a 2003 law forbids municipalities from generating more than half its revenue from traffic citations. Already, Shamrock and Big Cabin have been stripped of their authority to issue tickets. Now, Stringtown and Kiowa are in the crosshairs.
Department of Public Safety inspectors spent two weeks going over records in those towns. A Tulsa World audit of 73 eastern and southeastern small towns found that one out of five -- fifteen towns -- relied upon tickets as the primary source of revenue in 2005.
Kiowa has adopted changes in light of the state police investigation. The town previously used only unmarked police vehicles. Now patrol cars will be painted. Kiowa has released five miles of territory it had annexed in order to ticket drivers on US 69. The police chief also pledged to start issuing warnings to motorists.
The towns that earn more money from traffic tickets than the sales tax are as follows, listed by the percentage of cash earned from tickets: Caney, Moffett, Kiowa, Stringtown, Sportsman Acres, Marble City, Talala, Tupelo, Big Cabin, McCurtain, West Siloam Spring, Boynton, Gans, South Coffeyville and Shady Point.
===============================================
5-16-2007 New Law ends towns' speed trap designation ...
Police in towns once deemed speed traps will again be allowed to patrol state and U.S. highways in their city limits.
The Legislature passed a bill this session that does away with speed trap designation. An amendment to House Bill 1616 allows city police officers to patrol and issue tickets on portions of state and U.S. highways that run through their city limits. The bill does not pertain to interstate highways.
The bill, written by Rep. Paul Roan, D-Tishomingo, includes numerous pages of updates to statutes and clarifications requested by the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety.
Bill was changed late in the process
But Rep. Glen "Bud? Smithson, D-Sallisaw, said Roan made a shrewd move to change the law to benefit cities in his district.
Smithson, also a retired state trooper, called Roan's amendment a "woolly-booger,? a colloquial term for last-minute language inserted in a bill that has far-reaching impact.
"He's a very sharp House member, and he saw an opportunity to get a woolly-booger right in the middle of this bill,? said Smithson. "Nobody bothered to read it because it was a clean-up bill.?
Smithson, whose district includes Moffett, opposed the change in the law and said he's making plans to file legislation next session to limit a community's ability to issue tickets.
Smithson authored the bill that set restrictions on how much money a city can get from issuing traffic tickets. After Moffett was declared a speed trap and barred from issuing tickets along U.S. 64, the city asked for bankruptcy protection.
"I don't think public safety should solely be used to build revenue for a community,? Smithson said. "It should be to protect the public. That should be its sole purpose.?
Preventing crime?
Traffic stops are integral to stopping other crimes, Roan said.
During a year's time in Caney, routine traffic stops resulted in 102 felony arrests, Roan said.
"Must of those were drug-related,? Roan said. "U.S. 69 is the new pipeline for dope that's coming out of Texas.?
People who are following the law shouldn't have to worry about the change, Roan said.
"I look at it as a user fee,? he said. "If they're not speeding, they don't have to pay. I think what I did was speak up for law enforcement. People need to learn to obey those speeding signs and not pay the fines.?
That's OK, PSA's usually do not get responses.
There job is done through Google and other search engines.
When people look for info on these small towns this is what they will get and many times will change plans and stay clear.
If it saves one person from fraudalent bogus charges then the effort is successfull very much like the Job Networking thread at the top.
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