PS3's RSX has been down graded in frequency. Link inside

[santz]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Pabster
Sony's finished. Between the battery recalls and the PS3 troubles, plus rootkits, these guys are done (IMHO).

Thank god. I was hoping that cheap company would get what it deserved. I've had 3 sony TVs fail on me over the last 6 years...

Don't forget 1st time in ten years they were actually low in cash and had to borrow $600million euro for PS3 development and new Blu-ray expansion.

http://www.sonypictures.com/corp/press_releases/2006/08_06/index.html

"Sony recorded consolidated annual sales of over $72 billion for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004, and it employs 162,000 people worldwide. Sony's consolidated sales in the U.S. for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004 were $20.4 billion. For more information see www.sony.com."

Sony may lose money in one or two of its divisions, but it can more than make it up with its other divisions. anyone who thinks that sony is not doing well is just assuming and not thinking realistically. sorry, just look at the facts, $600 million is a drop in the bucket. Even though these are 2004 figures, it should give people an idea.

And being a finance student i can tell you that the best way for a company to grow and expand is not by issuing more shares (internal borrowing, self investment) or by taking loans from banks (external borrowing) but a combination of both. This gives the best possible GE ratio for the company to grow.

If sony is downgrading the GPU, which is a big if, as rumors are flying left and right , this is not because they are low on cash, but because SONY is just plain dumb and stupid!

 

[imported_RedStar]

"anyone remember the stuff about the SPE's not having enough cache to be useful"

That turned about to be completely bogus and a hard knock to the inquirer's rep.

Charlie got it all wrong ...he mistook what local memory they were talking about ..and i fell for it also...but i didn't have the context to get it right

I took him to task on it (since i had egg all over my face because i took the article at face value)...and he replied with all kinds of invective. hehe

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: PianoMan
Don't forget Assassin's Creed. :Q I really hope it comes to the 360 (again, I'm not going to buy a PS3 for the cost of my right leg immediately - so I'm hoping it ain't a launch release).

I think the games on the 360 are fine with a few notable outstanding titles - they really need some good stuff, but it looks like it's coming down the pike (*drool* Halo 3).

Don't forget - XBL is arguably the better online solution. A lot of games are much different played online (as we all know). Too bad Oblivion isn't multiplayer (not MMORPG, but like Diablo II/Baldur's Gate).

PM

yeah the was announced at X05 for XBOX 360 but at e3 2006 it was shown running on PS3 but the game developer still haven't announced exclusive for PS3 yet. The game will come out on XBOX 360.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: santz

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Pabster
Sony's finished. Between the battery recalls and the PS3 troubles, plus rootkits, these guys are done (IMHO).

Thank god. I was hoping that cheap company would get what it deserved. I've had 3 sony TVs fail on me over the last 6 years...

Don't forget 1st time in ten years they were actually low in cash and had to borrow $600million euro for PS3 development and new Blu-ray expansion.

http://www.sonypictures.com/corp/press_releases/2006/08_06/index.html

"Sony recorded consolidated annual sales of over $72 billion for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004, and it employs 162,000 people worldwide. Sony's consolidated sales in the U.S. for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004 were $20.4 billion. For more information see www.sony.com."

Sony may lose money in one or two of its divisions, but it can more than make it up with its other divisions. anyone who thinks that sony is not doing well is just assuming and not thinking realistically. sorry, just look at the facts, $600 million is a drop in the bucket. Even though these are 2004 figures, it should give people an idea.

And being a finance student i can tell you that the best way for a company to grow and expand is not by issuing more shares (internal borrowing, self investment) or by taking loans from banks (external borrowing) but a combination of both. This gives the best possible GE ratio for the company to grow.

If sony is downgrading the GPU, which is a big if, as rumors are flying left and right , this is not because they are low on cash, but because SONY is just plain dumb and stupid!

I think your looking at days when sony was worshiped like god :?
Check the latest report :!
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=SNE

Sony not so worth 72Billion

Also the netprofit is shocking for the company that size ... not so looking good !

 

[jiffylube1024]

Just more encouraging news out of the Sony camp. It's a very tough sell at $599. Heck it's a tough sell at $499!

The only thing Sony will have going for it at launch (aside from diehards who must have it right away) is a hopefully large and attractive BlueRay library. Much like how the PS2 being a DVD player helped the PS2 tremendously those first couple of years (a crappy one, but things like progressive scan support didn't mean what they do today when the PS2 launched).

michaelpatrick33 - the Wii doesn't support HD resolutions, but every game is supposed to support progressive scan and widescreen right out of the box, which means that titles will look much better than Gamecube games on HDTV's. Although many first party Gamecube games supported progressive scan, few supported widescreen (F-Zero GX was one of the few). So the Zeldas and Metroids will get quite a boost by going widescreen on Wii.

 

[ronnn]

Just the inquirer!
Sony is later than the xbox, so likely will be better.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Just the inquirer!
Sony is later than the xbox, so likely will be better.

Because of the blunder that is Cell. Sony had to cook up such an "awesome" processor to try and sell their system that they lost sight of the goal - create a gaming console to sell games.

A big mistake they're making is banking on sheer system power.

A compounded problem from this mistake is that their system is naturally going to be geared towards pumping out games with a focus on eye candy (and not necessarily fun factor)

The funny part about this, is that the biggest player in the eye candy aspect is the GPU, which sounds (not surprisingly) as if its getting held back most likely because of Cell. With Cell and a top of the line GPU and RAM all packed into a (relatively) tiny chassis you get a noise/thermal disaster.

You can?t have a hulking huge box for your console - sleek is in, and you can?t have an overheating / noisy one either.

On the other hand you have Microsoft, whose console clearly had a focus on the GPU to be paired along with a cheap-to-produce yet fairly functional CPU.

I think the funny thing is that Sony spent so much time on this CPU that will largely go unnoticed by their average user base (of which the vast majority of Sony fanboys generally come across as mindless sheep). Such a ?super? processor is completely unnecessary for any tasks in mind; Sony would have been 10x better off using a cheap CPU solution the likes of what is in the 360 with a larger focus on the GPU - and the kicker, a PPU. Not only do I believe it would have been easier to partition engineering resources to put together such a system, I believe it?d be easier to produce games for such a system vs. trying to get work done from the work horse Cell processor.

Instead, Sony is trying to give us a system that (well they want us to believe) is too powerful/versatile to use just for games - which is a huge mistake. Just like with the PSP, I believe Sony is going to lose not just in hardware sales but in software sales because they?ve lost focus on bringing a product to do what we want - play games. Yes it can play games, but Sony is trying to target more than just gaming; it is hard to hit multiple targets with one bullet.

 

[imported_Seer]

You teh sux0r 2 sae teh PS3 is not going to teh r0x0r! Yew lie, yew 360 luvr. U teh sux! U maek thing up, go die!!!1111one!1!!!1 heheheheh

 

[aheartattack]

I reiterate. How do so many of you know so much of what'sgoin' to happen 2-5 years from now? Somebody know of some time portal I'm not awareof? Both the systems are powerful. The cell is immensely powerful. How that'll effect/affect games oonly TIME will tell. If the RSX will be downgraded is speculation. If it's a 'weak' gpu is also an open question. The PS2's gpu is crap in 2006. It was not so at launch and even two years down the line. And that crap gpu is giving me God of War 2, FF12. When Hitman contracts came out, it had me drooling. And that was far from launch. My x-box also has some good games. But to tell you the truth, my weaker PS2 hardware is way more used than my x-box's strongr gear.

The 360 has way better gear than both. Honestly though, right now, today, at this instance, if you were given a choice among the 360, PS2, x-box to play for one day only, [not looking at the future], would you pick the eye-candy or the gameplay? Even 360 fanboys can only pick out a handful of GREAAAAAAAAAAAT games for the system. The PS3 will probably be plagued with the same issue. It's too hard to say. But if the next gens all suffer in this regard, I can bet you the developers will surely think back at the gameplay. The ooohhhhhh it's so smooth and aaaahhhhhh it looks sooooooo beautiful factor will not take too long to wear off. Gamers play games. Old people watch movies [and don't play games ]. Both the systems have great hardware. A few MHz here and there won't hurt too much. The have different architecures. Now it's up to the devs to deliver.

 

[imported_RedStar]

why do people insist that you can't have great gameplay AND eye candy?

not to mention you need the power for the dawn of the physics era! )

 

[pakigang]

Just checked gamespot & they have a lineup of titles which are most anticipated. The PS3 title line is really impressive although I don't like the PS3 itself.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The only thing Sony will have going for it at launch (aside from diehards who must have it right away) is a hopefully large and attractive BlueRay library.

So Vista is going to fail? What you are saying comes across roughly the same.

Sony had to cook up such an "awesome" processor to try and sell their system that they lost sight of the goal - create a gaming console to sell games.

Same mistake they made with the PS2, look how badly that turned out for them.

With Cell and a top of the line GPU and RAM all packed into a (relatively) tiny chassis you get a noise/thermal disaster.

Xenon+Xenos are larger, hotter, more expensive and more complex then Cell+RSX. That is a point of fact.

Such a ?super? processor is completely unnecessary for any tasks in mind; Sony would have been 10x better off using a cheap CPU solution the likes of what is in the 360 with a larger focus on the GPU - and the kicker, a PPU. Not only do I believe it would have been easier to partition engineering resources to put together such a system, I believe it?d be easier to produce games for such a system vs. trying to get work done from the work horse Cell processor.

Ageia disagrees with you. They say that Cell can run everything their PPU can- with power to spare.

I believe it?d be easier to produce games for such a system vs. trying to get work done from the work horse Cell processor.

PS2 required assembly to get decent performance out of. Again, clearly the very easy to dev for XBox must have dominated the market due to this.

Instead, Sony is trying to give us a system that (well they want us to believe) is too powerful/versatile to use just for games - which is a huge mistake. Just like with the PSP, I believe Sony is going to lose not just in hardware sales but in software sales because they?ve lost focus on bringing a product to do what we want - play games. Yes it can play games, but Sony is trying to target more than just gaming; it is hard to hit multiple targets with one bullet

As opposed to MS who is using the 360 as their trojan to push a media center hub into your livingroom. This isn't from a business perspective- this is slapped in my face whenever I want to do something gaming related on marketplace. MS is doing exactly what you are lamenting Sony for- the only difference is Sony isn't selling a package so incredibly crippled it is unuseable in the capacity they are trying to push(have fun watching those HD trailers MS throws in your face without the $100 optional HD).

If you honestly want to talk about a company focused on games then bring up Nintendo. Sony and MS are trying to do the exact same thing, just one of them has proven they know what they are doing multiple times while the other has only managed to fail in nearly every obiective.

 

[Wreckage]

The PS2 is the most succesful console ever. Sony even knocked Nintendo back to 3rd place. Microsoft released the xBox 1.5 and has aleady given up on the first xBox.

There may be a lot fo xBox fanbois locally, but worldwide it won't even be a close race once the PS3 comes out.

I may not be a big fan of how Sony runs things, but since when did Microsoft stop being the "evil empire".

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

I may not be a big fan of how Sony runs things, but since when did Microsoft stop being the "evil empire".

As soon as their consoles became the PC port-to-machine of choice. Now all the kiddies in the US who can't afford a real PC love MS. Of course the same shallow crowd loved Nvidia and hated ATI when Nvidia did the Xbox1, now that they are in the PS3 they hate Nvidia and love ATI. Short attention spans and not enough meds.

 

[imported_RedStar]

In my early days of computing, that just happened to coincide with the early days of pc computing, IBM was the evil blue empire and MS was the saintly underdog.

IBM is still evil!

down with wordperfect and lotus ..err wait, they were defeated Now stay down!

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Sony's finished. Between the battery recalls and the PS3 troubles, plus rootkits, these guys are done (IMHO).

Naw. They're to big. They deserve to die, but they'll have to continue to fvck up for some time to really kill themselves.

 

[5150Joker]

Xbox 360: Lacks compelling Japanese adventure/fantasy/rpg titles. Positives are that it has XNA and XBL which will be tough for the competition to beat.
PS3: Not much information on it's online service and expensive.
Wii: Glorified Gamecube with controllers very few devs will use exclusively since they like to port games to make $$. This means Nintendo themselves will be one of the few developers giving 100% support to their new gimmick controller.


Who will win? Definitely not Nintendo despite the pricetag because ultimately it lacks all the features of a next gen console apart from it's gimmick controllers--which Sony has to a small extent in their PS3 controller anyway. Sony will win just because of the hype that surrounds it's console and the inevitable and overwhelming Japanese dev support. MS will never overtake Sony as long as they're the Gaijin. The best possible outcome would be all 3 companies failing in the console business and giving up and then all the devs shifting to the true platform of choice: the pc.

 

[imported_RedStar]

yay..the PC platform of choice )

but nintendo might just win because of its price. it is so low .. Wii doesn't have to be cutting edge tech as all those tiny devices with itty bitty display screens prove

all you need is a cyber pet to sell well

On the downside for nintendo --the whole world is obese (cept for the ones starving). I can't see obese people flailing their arms for very long

The again, it may be just what the doctor ordered.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: pakigang
Just checked gamespot & they have a lineup of titles which are most anticipated. The PS3 title line is really impressive although I don't like the PS3 itself.

That lineup isn't exclusive really :!

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
The PS2 is the most succesful console ever. Sony even knocked Nintendo back to 3rd place. Microsoft released the xBox 1.5 and has aleady given up on the first xBox.

There may be a lot fo xBox fanbois locally, but worldwide it won't even be a close race once the PS3 comes out.

I may not be a big fan of how Sony runs things, but since when did Microsoft stop being the "evil empire".

Yeah and DS is the most succesful portable console and say really put a shocking defeat to PSP. If you check the latest poll in japan , then you will know that 70% are wanting a Wii at launch and will wait for PS3 to drop below 35000 yen and that is going to take a very long long time. I bet you Wii will sell 15million in japan in less than a year.

 

[gi0rgi0]

I hope to god that the PS3 will be the true next gen console. I have a 360 and its basically a $400 crappy dvd player. Ive downloaded demo after demo and rented a couple of games which i
only played maybe the longest was i think 10 minutes before I became utterly bored. But thank the heavens that I kept my PS2. The graphics arent as good but its about the games right.
Having fun playing some shadow of the colosus , devil may cry, re:4 , mark of kri, mgs. Also black and burnout revenge wich can be played on 360 but I prefer the sony controller.

Most of th 360 lineup can be played on my pc and look and play much better. Ill take the 20" widescreen over the 42incher anyday. But im thinking of getting a 37" 1080p lcd like joker.
The pc is gonna be getting some good games in the next few months so not sure if ill be getting the PS3 right off the bat. But I do know one thing for sure. The 360 will definitely be
seeing the fs/ft forum real soon.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: gi0rgi0
I hope to god that the PS3 will be the true next gen console. I have a 360 and its basically a $400 crappy dvd player. Ive downloaded demo after demo and rented a couple of games which i
only played maybe the longest was i think 10 minutes before I became utterly bored. But thank the heavens that I kept my PS2. The graphics arent as good but its about the games right.
Having fun playing some shadow of the colosus , devil may cry, re:4 , mark of kri, mgs. Also black and burnout revenge wich can be played on 360 but I prefer the sony controller.

Most of th 360 lineup can be played on my pc and look and play much better. Ill take the 20" widescreen over the 42incher anyday. But im thinking of getting a 37" 1080p lcd like joker.
The pc is gonna be getting some good games in the next few months so not sure if ill be getting the PS3 right off the bat. But I do know one thing for sure. The 360 will definitely be
seeing the fs/ft forum real soon.

Just because you haven't place decent game doesn't mean the whole console is crap :! also your just sound like a noob by saying true next gen :?

Every person i have talked and asked if they would play burnout revenge on XBOX or PS2 and everyone told me XBOX because of trigger because its feel more realistic and has better response. You just sound like Sony Die IDIOTIC fanboy.

 

[hans030390]

To be quite honest, I am not against any of the next-gen systems. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I'll just put out a few thoughts about each console:

1. Xbox 360 - It's nice looking, and the games are nice looking too. But I have yet to see many good games...you know, the types that sell the system...on it. Gears Of War may or may not work, but I think to the general public it is unknown. They will not be saved by GoW, I promise you that. Halo 3, however, may turn out to be great. Halo 2 was, in my opinion, a big letdown. Other then that, Xbox 360 only has HD and good graphics that make it a "next-gen" console. It's lacking support for the new disk formats (HDDVD/BR). Ok, great...you can get a usb HDDVD drive for $200. Last time I checked...that boosts the cost right up to the PS3. Hmmm...I know they won't force you to buy it, but they really want you to.

2. PS3 - It's expensive. I'll say that again. It's expensive. Now, I don't know why people are complaining about "it's not a good deal at all." Apparently the world has been overrun by blind people. How much will a blu-ray drive cost for the PC? More than the PS3. Not to mention the cell has the capability to be better than the 360 CPUs...I'd have to say we're getting a very good deal, looking at the hardware. Ok, so you don't get a choice on whether or not you get BR. Tough. You can't deny that having a system that can play BR games (which could be a HUGE advantage, considering the space) and play movies would be pretty nice. Oh, wait. They lowered the clocks. Big deal, companies do that. I'm pretty sure a 10% decrease in GPU clocks won't do a whole lot. When I overclock my 6600gt by 10%, I promise you...it doesn't do a whole lot...Not to mention, companies work around this. Also, considering the library that Sony has/will have with games (with the Playstation systems), I'll be playing some very nice games on it. $600 seems expensive...but it's really not outrageous. I do have to admit the motion sensing controller is odd though...

3. Wii. I like how it works. The DS didn't win in graphics, yet I love the touch screen. I believe the Wii will have the same effect. It's cheap too. Can't beat that.

I think this "war" going on is pretty silly. Someone says a rumor, and people go "OMG SONY IS TEH SUXORZ!" To be quite honest, Sony will likely win just based on their grip they have on the console market.

Halo AND Halo 2 combined did not make the Xbox the winner. I doubt Halo 3 or GoW will really make the Xbox 360 become the winner...in the long run.

The only thing really keeping the PS3 from being as successful as the PS2 would be the cost.

Sony isn't going anywhere...The new systems will all be nice, depending on the games you want.

I like cake.

 

[MechaSheeba]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Such a ?super? processor is completely unnecessary for any tasks in mind; Sony would have been 10x better off using a cheap CPU solution the likes of what is in the 360 with a larger focus on the GPU - and the kicker, a PPU. Not only do I believe it would have been easier to partition engineering resources to put together such a system, I believe it?d be easier to produce games for such a system vs. trying to get work done from the work horse Cell processor.

Ageia disagrees with you. They say that Cell can run everything their PPU can- with power to spare.

Do you have a link supporting the above statement? I can't believe that Ageia would ever say such a thing considering their PPU costs half as much as the PS3 will.

 

[gi0rgi0]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: gi0rgi0
I hope to god that the PS3 will be the true next gen console. I have a 360 and its basically a $400 crappy dvd player. Ive downloaded demo after demo and rented a couple of games which i
only played maybe the longest was i think 10 minutes before I became utterly bored. But thank the heavens that I kept my PS2. The graphics arent as good but its about the games right.
Having fun playing some shadow of the colosus , devil may cry, re:4 , mark of kri, mgs. Also black and burnout revenge wich can be played on 360 but I prefer the sony controller.

Most of th 360 lineup can be played on my pc and look and play much better. Ill take the 20" widescreen over the 42incher anyday. But im thinking of getting a 37" 1080p lcd like joker.
The pc is gonna be getting some good games in the next few months so not sure if ill be getting the PS3 right off the bat. But I do know one thing for sure. The 360 will definitely be
seeing the fs/ft forum real soon.

Just because you haven't place decent game doesn't mean the whole console is crap :! also your just sound like a noob by saying true next gen :?

Every person i have talked and asked if they would play burnout revenge on XBOX or PS2 and everyone told me XBOX because of trigger because its feel more realistic and has better response. You just sound like Sony Die IDIOTIC fanboy.

Well i may be an idiot, but not a sony fanboy, hehe. Hans mentioned how the ds doesnt have the best graphics but its funner to play then the psp and I totally agree. All 360 has is hi def.

And im probably more of a pc gaming fanboy :laugh: