PS3 will be "late and full of bugs"

[BenSkywalker]

Sony and MS are the ones that are fighting each other bloody.

Not really- MS is staggering bleeding from all over while Sony is yawning thinking about maybe getting out of its seat to shatter the little punk

Sony has a larger installed base lead in the US alone with the PS2 then MS has sold systems on a global basis for both the XB and the 360 combined. Then there is Japan- it looks like at this point Nintendo sold more DSs in a week then MS sold XBox's total for the last generation(not quite, but pretty close).

At the close of last generation XB is barely keeping even with GC on a global basis- and everyone is writing Nintendo off as nigh dead in the set top market. The real gamers will own all the platforms as always- and the fanboys will buy there system of choice- bad thing for MS is Sony has them beat there by an order of magnitude.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Sony and MS are the ones that are fighting each other bloody.

Not really- MS is staggering bleeding from all over while Sony is yawning thinking about maybe getting out of its seat to shatter the little punk

Sony has a larger installed base lead in the US alone with the PS2 then MS has sold systems on a global basis for both the XB and the 360 combined. Then there is Japan- it looks like at this point Nintendo sold more DSs in a week then MS sold XBox's total for the last generation(not quite, but pretty close).

At the close of last generation XB is barely keeping even with GC on a global basis- and everyone is writing Nintendo off as nigh dead in the set top market. The real gamers will own all the platforms as always- and the fanboys will buy there system of choice- bad thing for MS is Sony has them beat there by an order of magnitude.

Since you sound so authoritative, what are the numbers?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: bthorny
I just don't see how PS3 is going to have blu-ray by the end of the year....and the system not cost $1000

Because Sony doesn't mind taking a loss on the PS3. It allows them to get a Blu-Ray player in the disguise of a game console in homes. Sony owns part of Blu-Ray so the revenue they'll get from movie sales will more than makeup for the losses on the PS3.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Sony and MS are the ones that are fighting each other bloody.

Not really- MS is staggering bleeding from all over while Sony is yawning thinking about maybe getting out of its seat to shatter the little punk

Sony has a larger installed base lead in the US alone with the PS2 then MS has sold systems on a global basis for both the XB and the 360 combined. Then there is Japan- it looks like at this point Nintendo sold more DSs in a week then MS sold XBox's total for the last generation(not quite, but pretty close).

At the close of last generation XB is barely keeping even with GC on a global basis- and everyone is writing Nintendo off as nigh dead in the set top market. The real gamers will own all the platforms as always- and the fanboys will buy there system of choice- bad thing for MS is Sony has them beat there by an order of magnitude.

Since you sound so authoritative, what are the numbers?

Link

PS2: 68%
Xbox: 17%
Gamecube: 15%

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Sony and MS are the ones that are fighting each other bloody.

Not really- MS is staggering bleeding from all over while Sony is yawning thinking about maybe getting out of its seat to shatter the little punk

Sony has a larger installed base lead in the US alone with the PS2 then MS has sold systems on a global basis for both the XB and the 360 combined. Then there is Japan- it looks like at this point Nintendo sold more DSs in a week then MS sold XBox's total for the last generation(not quite, but pretty close).

At the close of last generation XB is barely keeping even with GC on a global basis- and everyone is writing Nintendo off as nigh dead in the set top market. The real gamers will own all the platforms as always- and the fanboys will buy there system of choice- bad thing for MS is Sony has them beat there by an order of magnitude.

Since you sound so authoritative, what are the numbers?

Console Marketshare Pie Chart, 2000-2005

PS2: 68%
Xbox: 17%
Gamecube: 15%

Part of the reason that PS2 has such a large lead is that it was released more than a year before either the Xbox or the Gamecube. MS still has huge problems in Japan but it will be interesting to see how things turn out this time since all three consoles are going to be released within months of each other.

 

[0roo0roo]

you are still wrong because ms sits on a mountain of cash from healthy profit margins while sonys electronics divisions are bleeding cash from all the cut throat competition from other japanese companies and now the koreans. where they used to be dominant in things such as tv's they are just getting slammed now. sony isn't kicking ass when it just layed off 10,000 workers. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2005-12-05-sony_x.htm

 

[0roo0roo]

just look at how ms cash assets and profits simply dwarf sonys.

Cash assets
Microsoft: $56 billion
Nintendo: $7 billion (est.)
Sony: $8 billion

http://www.hoovers.com

forbes
Sales
Microsoft: $38.47 billion
Nintendo: $4.93 billion
Sony: $71.82 billion
Electronic Arts: $3.17 billion

Profits
Microsoft: $10.00 billion
Nintendo: $0.32 billion
Sony: $0.85 billion
Electronic Arts: $0.59 billion

Assets
Microsoft: $64.94 billion
Nintendo: $9.59 billion
Sony: $85.14 billion
Electronic Arts: $4.44 billion

Market Value
Microsoft: $273.75 billion
Nintendo: $14.47 billion
Sony: $35.40 billion
Electronic Arts: $19.86 billion

All numbers are in millions of dollars (US). and this is a kinder quarter, q4 they lost $929 million in their electronics div. alone

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/2004-7-28/pdf/sony20040728.pdf

Tokyo, July 28, 2004 -- Sony Corporation today announced its consolidated results for the first quarter ended June 30, 2004 (April 1, 2004 to June 30, 2004).

Sony (First Quarter Ended June 30, 2004)
Sales: $14,927
Profit: $215

Sales per Segment (First Quarter Ended June 30, 2004)
Electronics: $10,167
Games: $976
Music: $1,100
Pictures: $1,372
Financial Services: $1,237
Other: $550

Operating Income/Loss per Segment (First Quarter Ended June 30, 2004)
Electronics: $64
Games: ($27) loss
Music: ($10) loss
Pictures: $38
Financial Services: $96
Other: ($7) loss

Microsoft posted its Q1 Fiscal 2005 results. All numbers are in millions of dollars (US).

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY05/earn_rel_q1_05.mspx

Microsoft (Q1 Ended September 30, 2004)
Sales: $9,189
Profit: $2,901

Sales per Segment (Q1 Ended September 30, 2004)
Client: $2,993
Server and Tools: $2,235
Information Worker: $2,560
Microsoft Business Solutions: $160
MSN: $540
Mobile and Embedded Devices: $69
Home and Entertainment: $632

Operating Income/Loss per Segment (Q1 Ended September 30, 2004)
Client: $2,392 profit
Server and Tools: $701 profit
Information Worker: $1,891 profit
Microsoft Business Solutions: ($41) loss
MSN: $77 profit
Mobile and Embedded Devices: ($20) loss
Home and Entertainment: ($142) loss
Other: ($807) loss

Nintendo
Q1 Fiscal 2005 (Ended June 30, 2004)
Sales: ¥82,153 ($758)
Profit: ¥22,635 ($209)
Assets: ¥1,037,956 ($9,573)

Q2 Fiscal 2005 (Ended September 30, 2004)
Sales: ¥105,856 ($953)
Profit: ¥23,810 ($214)
Assets: ¥1,089,221 ($9,808)

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/050126e.pdf
Nintendo Q3 Fiscal 2005 (Ended December 31, 2004)
Sales: ¥231,364 ($2,220)
Profit: ¥21,312 ($204)
Assets: ¥1,130,286 ($10,846)

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/040728e.pdf (Q1)
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/041125e.pdf (H1)

 

[0roo0roo]

hehe
EA Q3 Fiscal 2005 (Ended December 31, 2004)
Sales: $1,428
Profit: $375
Assets: $4,436

All numbers are in millions of dollars (US).
http://investor.ea.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=88189&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=666470

 

[LanceM]

Wow... just wow.

 

[CKent]

PS3 will be "late and full of bugs"

It's a Sony product, of course it will be. Have any other revelations or eye-opening insights for us? Do you think perhaps the Pope might be Catholic? Have a nagging feeling that bears might sh!t in the woods? Thanks for the heads-up, Captain...

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'm just glad Nintendo realized there is not room for three. You two shoot it out up there and we'll gladly monopolize the market a step below you. Nintendo has seen the differentiation light with the mass amount of handheld sales and is now trying to capitalize on a similar differentiation in the normal console market. I think they will do better than both of the big dogs when all is said and done. And no, "better" does not necessarily mean they will have the highest unit sales.

Kinda reminds me of Target/Wal-Mart/K-Mart.

 

[xboxist]

My two cents:

I can't even begin to tell you how many times I'd read about someone in an interview saying that the PS3 is a complete bitch to program for. I'm not sure if Sony is expecting too much or if there are a lot of developers that are too poor to invest in what is needed for program for the machine.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: xboxist
My two cents:

I can't even begin to tell you how many times I'd read about someone in an interview saying that the PS3 is a complete bitch to program for. I'm not sure if Sony is expecting too much or if there are a lot of developers that are too poor to invest in what is needed for program for the machine.

I'm looking forward to Fantavision for the PS3 myself.

 

[KeepItRed]

I don't see a point in the PS3. The Xbox 360 has it's bugs...And I believe most of them were fixed after launch. The PS3 on the other hand seems powerful, but I have a feeling at launch date, the graphics and games won't be like what we saw on this supposed "PS3 Tech Demo". Who knows? They were probably running a Xbox 360 behind the curtains.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: potato28
Man seems like this is the CRASH generation for all the systems. PC has no new games that are inovative, X360 dosent have very many good games, Nintendo is making a very out of style system, and now PS3 might be delayed with problems. Just great...:disgust:

Personally, I'm very excited for Nintentdo's Revolution...but I like nintendo's first party games better all the others.

 

[bamacre]

The new GTA on a new engine for the PS3 will be a strong factor when it comes out.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: bamacre
The new GTA on a new engine for the PS3 will be a strong factor when it comes out.

Which will likely be a year to two year's after the PS3 comes out.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: bamacre
The new GTA on a new engine for the PS3 will be a strong factor when it comes out.

Which will likely be a year to two year's after the PS3 comes out.

Maybe so. At least the bugs/kinks should be worked out but then.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
just look at how ms cash assets and profits simply dwarf sonys.

What does all that have to do with the PS3? I'm sure when the original Xbox was released, MS was dominating Sony in profits and cash assets, yet their console wasn't any better or their market share only ended being 17%.

 

[flashbacck]

So now the PS3 is NOT hard to code for?

First of all, as with Killzone developer Guerrilla in a recent online Q&A sesh, they were happy to point out that PS3 is not as complicated to write for as we've all been led to believe. Apparently, the machine's use of Open GL as its graphics API means that anyone who's ever written games for the PC will be intimately familiar with the set-up.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: flashbacck
So now the PS3 is NOT hard to code for?

First of all, as with Killzone developer Guerrilla in a recent online Q&A sesh, they were happy to point out that PS3 is not as complicated to write for as we've all been led to believe. Apparently, the machine's use of Open GL as its graphics API means that anyone who's ever written games for the PC will be intimately familiar with the set-up.

if they want to take advantage of 7 SPEs, im sure it'll be more of a hassle than coding for a P4/A64

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: flashbacck
So now the PS3 is NOT hard to code for?

First of all, as with Killzone developer Guerrilla in a recent online Q&A sesh, they were happy to point out that PS3 is not as complicated to write for as we've all been led to believe. Apparently, the machine's use of Open GL as its graphics API means that anyone who's ever written games for the PC will be intimately familiar with the set-up.

if they want to take advantage of 7 SPEs, im sure it'll be more of a hassle than coding for a P4/A64

Just look at Guerrilla development record all the horribly flopped titles.

"ShellShock: Nam '67" (game to show what really happen in vietnam ) >> crappy graphic , crappy controls , crappy physic , dumb ai , stupid game and stupid events
"Killzone (hyped as halo killer)" >> crappy graphic , dumb ai , stupid game , crappy controls but had a decent overall theme.

Take it from a dude who played them both
Shellshock Nam 67 >> played on xbox
Killzone >> PS2

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: flashbacck
So now the PS3 is NOT hard to code for?

First of all, as with Killzone developer Guerrilla in a recent online Q&A sesh, they were happy to point out that PS3 is not as complicated to write for as we've all been led to believe. Apparently, the machine's use of Open GL as its graphics API means that anyone who's ever written games for the PC will be intimately familiar with the set-up.

if they want to take advantage of 7 SPEs, im sure it'll be more of a hassle than coding for a P4/A64

Just look at Guerrilla development record all the horribly flopped titles.

"ShellShock: Nam '67" (game to show what really happen in vietnam ) >> crappy graphic , crappy controls , crappy physic , dumb ai , stupid game and stupid events
"Killzone (hyped as halo killer)" >> crappy graphic , dumb ai , stupid game , crappy controls but had a decent overall theme.

Take it from a dude who played them both
Shellshock Nam 67 >> played on xbox
Killzone >> PS2

but that was actual gameplay footage of killzone2 we saw!!!111oneoneone

my rule of thumb: never trust an FPS preview if it doesnt have a crosshair, haha