PS3 will be "late and full of bugs"

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

 

[BigPoppa]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: CalamitySymphony
This will just like the Dreamcast.

Hype and Publicity of the Upcoming PS2 (3) will kill the Dreamcast (CrapBox360)

Doesn't even matter if its delayed.

Errr no. The Dreamcast died from a combination of PS2 hype, poor developer support (no EA for starters), and Sega lacking money. The 360 is just as hyped up as the PS3, has great developer support, and a company with deeper pockets than the Marinara Trench that is committed to supporting it.

The spaghetti sauce trench?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: CalamitySymphony
This will just like the Dreamcast.

Hype and Publicity of the Upcoming PS2 (3) will kill the Dreamcast (CrapBox360)

Doesn't even matter if its delayed.

Errr no. The Dreamcast died from a combination of PS2 hype, poor developer support (no EA for starters), and Sega lacking money. The 360 is just as hyped up as the PS3, has great developer support, and a company with deeper pockets than the Marinara Trench that is committed to supporting it.

The spaghetti sauce trench?

Hehe...that's what I get when trying to type "Mariana" while hungry.

 

[apinomus]

Nintendo bumped back to November for Revolution, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony do the same.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

Doesn't matter. This piece of FUD will linger around for the next year at least. Then everyone will realize that PS3 games are being released on DVDs too.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Not too surprised considering that Sony essentially slapped Nvidia's GPU on top of the Cell processor. Remember how the Cell was supposed to handle all the graphics processing too?

i remember when sony announced that the cell would draw power from other cell processor objects in the house while they were at idle. the second i read that i called shens. i still stand by my comp though: versatility, customization, and hot deals FTW.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

No it wasn't because I know some people who work for EA's QA division. They admitted that the disk is limited for what they want to do.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

Doesn't matter. This piece of FUD will linger around for the next year at least. Then everyone will realize that PS3 games are being released on DVDs too.

not really because Sony has already stated before that the games can be produced on either format. If a developer wishes to use the BlueRay format they may if they find need for the larger disk.

 

[flashbacck]

No PS3 announcements at CES 2006

Kinda shoots down the Early Spring 2006 launch idea, because they'd probably have all sorts of announcements if they were that close.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

Doesn't matter. This piece of FUD will linger around for the next year at least. Then everyone will realize that PS3 games are being released on DVDs too.

not really because Sony has already stated before that the games can be produced on either format. If a developer wishes to use the BlueRay format they may if they find need for the larger disk.

That was the point I was trying to make. Developers are going to be able to get away with just using DVDs for the near future and Blu-Ray discs are going to be relatively expensive for a while. Unless there is an absolute need, developers will be happy with DVD.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: flashbacck


No PS3 announcements at CES 2006

Kinda shoots down the Early Spring 2006 launch idea, because they'd probably have all sorts of announcements if they were that close.

Probably saving everything for a big E3 announcement.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: flashbacck


No PS3 announcements at CES 2006

Kinda shoots down the Early Spring 2006 launch idea, because they'd probably have all sorts of announcements if they were that close.

Probably saving everything for a big E3 announcement.

probably - but that also means no spring 2006 launch

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: flashbacck


No PS3 announcements at CES 2006

Kinda shoots down the Early Spring 2006 launch idea, because they'd probably have all sorts of announcements if they were that close.

Probably saving everything for a big E3 announcement.

probably - but that also means no spring 2006 launch

True. E3 is the middle of May so they'd be cutting it close. Of course, Sony could take a pile of feces, slap "Playstation 3" on it and it would sell millions in Japan. I'm still predicting a late Spring/early Summer release for Japan and a late fall/early winter release for N. America.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

No it wasn't because I know some people who work for EA's QA division. They admitted that the disk is limited for what they want to do.

The Xbox version had 480p graphics and 5.1DD and managed to fit it just fine on a DVD. So, ask your "friends" why they had to remove so many features just to handle the extra graphics, when no other game has the same problem.

Sorry... But it's simply not true. If space were truly the primary issue, they would've simply released it on multiple discs.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

No it wasn't because I know some people who work for EA's QA division. They admitted that the disk is limited for what they want to do.

The Xbox version had 480p graphics and 5.1DD and managed to fit it just fine on a DVD. So, ask your "friends" why they had to remove so many features just to handle the extra graphics, when no other game has the same problem.

Sorry... But it's simply not true. If space were truly the primary issue, they would've simply released it on multiple discs.

If all the xbox 360s came with an HD, this would all be moot.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's all about the games. As it stands almost none of the big Japanese developers are releasing EXCLUSIVE BRAND NEW TITLES (not rehash or ports) for the 360. The PS3 has Capcom, SquareEnix, Namco etc all in it's corner like always.

The problem with the 360 is one thing the disk size limitation. Notice how madden looks pretty but has almost no extras? That's because the DVD9 is filled with HD quality graphics and 5.1 Dolby sound. There wasn't much room for extras. I've read about some games having to be made on multiple DVDs because the media cannot handle all the HD content as they want to put in. The PS3 will at least have a large media storage solution that is a bit more hack-proof as well.

I thought we already debunked this in another thread... The lack of extras was due to development time, and has nothing to do with disc space.

No it wasn't because I know some people who work for EA's QA division. They admitted that the disk is limited for what they want to do.

The Xbox version had 480p graphics and 5.1DD and managed to fit it just fine on a DVD. So, ask your "friends" why they had to remove so many features just to handle the extra graphics, when no other game has the same problem.

Sorry... But it's simply not true. If space were truly the primary issue, they would've simply released it on multiple discs.

If all the xbox 360s came with an HD, this would all be moot.

Not really... The Xbox's HDD never was (and never will be) for loading games on to. Maybe for some caching during load times, but not to store the application.

 

[PseudoKnight]

I believe caching was his point. You would decompress the media from the DVD to the HD and access it from there at a faster rate. This compensates somewhat for both the size and speed loss when compared to Blu-Ray. But I think developers might just end up doing this anyway considering the percentage of XBOX360 owners with HDs. (I'm going to estimate somewhere around 85%) If space is important to them, they could just require a HD for their game.

 

[swtethan]

I WANT THIS GAME!!!

http://www.ps3portal.com/downloads/MotorStorm/Motorstorm.wmv

 

[PseudoKnight]

Has anybody seen the "What's Up Next for the Xbox 360" article at GameSpy? Makes me have confidence in the system.
http://xbox.gamespy.com/articles/673/673643p1.html

It doesn't even include Lost Planet, which looks hella interesting.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/adventure/lostplanet/index.html

 

[PseudoKnight]

Oh, and swtethan, do we really need to go into the pre-render discussion again? Don't believe anything until you see actual gameplay.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
No it wasn't because I know some people who work for EA's QA division. They admitted that the disk is limited for what they want to do.

Well I know some people who work for their R&D department and *they* said that they were going to license a super duper compression algorithm from the NSA so they could put every game they ever made on a single floppy disk but they just didn't want to.

:roll:

Since when has the "I know a guy" argument ever held any water?

 

[videogames101]

I really hate companys that hype anything, Sony has got to be the heavy weight champion of console hype, and microsoft is the runner-up. Now nintendo does not have a huge reord for hype, look at the GC. Sony was going on about how the ps2 couyld do like 1000 million polygons and turned otu to be able to trip on over 6 million or some crap like that. Nintendo at least gave us real specs. Now if the revolution is priced at $250 or below i believe it could make a killing in this round if the ps3 really costs the 500-600 rumored...

 

[SickBeast]

Traditionally, Japanese-owned companies have ruled the videogame roost. I have a feeling that if the PS3 fails, the new Nintendo console will fill the void. I just don't see Microsoft taking this one just yet. Maybe the third time's the charm.

 

[PseudoKnight]

Nintendo's not a contender. They'll do fine with or without major sales and offer a different type of gameplay experience. Sony and MS are the ones that are fighting each other bloody. I'm leaning towards favoring MS's approach to console design and Sony certainly is asking to be hated right now. The PS3 will make up for it, though, with a few must-have games. It'll be interesting to see if MS can turn the tables still.

 

[Kerouactivist]

I just don't see how PS3 is going to have blu-ray by the end of the year....and the system not cost $1000