PS3 to have Mouse + KB for FPS games!
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I'd rather get a 7800GT for my PC for that price ($400 right?). I fail to see what's so amazing about the consoles. Even my midrange 17" LCD can do a resolution higher than 1280x720 (720p), and I get smooth frame rates in BF2 even with a vanilla GF6800.
Yea but can your 17" handle two different 1080p signals? Does your 17" support DVD audio, Super Audio, DVD movie playback, PS1 games, PS2 games, PS3 games and Blue-ray movies?
console haters! lol
consoles are the perfect compliment to a good PC set up. for the best experience you have both
but me and alot of others are in the position now, where buying a 7800GT/GTX means, a new motherboard, and new cpu
the cheaper route would be the console, i probably wont be able to upgrade my computer as much as i want, so being able to play my favourite type of game on a console as i would on a PC, and not have to worry about required spec's is good news to me
kylebisme
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This isn't really news, the PS2 can support keyboard and mouse in any game,l but developers tend focus their games towards gamepads as every console has at least one of those. Yeah we might see a few FPS games for the PS3 with KB+mouse options, but then we might see some for the PS2 yet as well; but I doubt we will see more than a few if any at all.
Also, this definitely isn't news:
Sony has been saying 7 SPUs since they anounced the PS3.
Also, this definitely isn't news:
Sony has been saying 7 SPUs since they anounced the PS3.
yeah i know, i meant the other news was £16,000 dev kits lol! 7 SPE's has been floating round for ages, and so too is the fact that RSX will be slighty faster than 7800GTX
You must mean my PC, not my 17".
Yes, I should be able to play PS3 games just fine on my 17" LCD.
Does my 17" support audio? No, but I do have an Audigy2 and headphones.Two different 1080p signals? From where? But yes I can handle a 1080p file (SIL) just fine with both of my PCs, so two total. DVD Audio? With a DVD-ROM. SACD? I'm sure there's a codec for it. DVD movies? Of course. PS1/PS2/PS3? Emulators... Blu-Ray? I'm sure there will be drives for it. What do you mean by a console 'handling' two different 1080p signals? Again, this is just hype on PS3. I can't remember what it was, but they tossed out something in the PS2.
You could say the same for a PS3. Does a PS3 support word processors? No (or at least not without hardware mods). If anything I'd get an Xbox 360 because of its online support. Sony has not shown any online multiplayer support yet, which is a big minus for me. Or, at least I've never heard of it if they did.
I see where you guys are coming from but the thing is I've already got a PCIE machine so it's a better choice for me, wouldn't you agree? Putting $850 toward a 7800GT and 2005FPW LCD would make more sense. Obviously if you have an AGP machine that hasn't been upgraded in years, a console may look appealing, and I perfectly understand that.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to run a PS3 side-by-side, but throwing out your PC for a PS3 instead if just stupid, IMO.
As for the exclusive/niche games, I don't care for Metal Gear Solid or some other console exclusives. IMO, all of the good games have been ported to PC. HL2, STALKER, Quake 4, RTCW2, etc. Those are the games I'd personally enjoy.
So, can anyone confirm the resolution that the PS3 runs at? 1080i60/1080p60/720p60/etc?
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heh ill reserve my judgement untill i see it. its one thing to say it can output two 1080p signals...but im not sure its got the horsepower to render 2 1080p images and display them at a high res.
dual screen UT2007 would be cool....at 1080...but im not sure it could do it
Avalon
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Originally posted by: xtknight
You must mean my PC, not my 17".
Yes, I should be able to play PS3 games just fine on my 17" LCD.
Two different 1080p signals? From where? But yes I can handle a 1080p file (SIL) just fine with both of my PCs, so two total. DVD Audio? With a DVD-ROM. SACD? I'm sure there's a codec for it. DVD movies? Of course. PS1/PS2/PS3? Emulators... Blu-Ray? I'm sure there will be drives for it. What do you mean by a console 'handling' two different 1080p signals? Again, this is just hype on PS3. I can't remember what it was, but they tossed out something in the PS2.
PS2/PS3 emulators? No, I think not. Even now, there is no fully functional PS2 emulator for the PC. As for the PS3? Not a chance in the next three years, minimum.
That would indicate your monitor can handle 1920x1080- a widescreen resolution beyond that of any 17" LCD I've heard of.
The cheapest one I have been able to find so far is a couple grand.
More then likely yes. Sony is likely to have Linux available shortly after the launch for the PS3.
Sony's online support is akin to PCs- it is free and developers are free to use it whenever they like. It is already available on several PS2 games, you just aren't forced to pay for a Live! like service to get it.
Don't forget- in order to run the games coming to the PS3 you are going to have to buy a PhysX board to be able to see the same kind of Physics that Cell can push with no problem(this according to Ageia). Unreal3 engined games as an example will need a PhysX based card(for $249-$299) on to of SM3 level hardware in order to run at the same settings the PS3 will be using out of the box.
Yes, I can process the 1080 videos (~70-90% CPU decode), but can't display them. Likewise if I had this capability on my PS3, it wouldn't do me any good either. I still need a bigger screen. Actually some laptops have insane resolutions with their 17" LCDs.
There are any Blu-Ray drives out!? ATAPI?
Hmm...never heard that. Interesting nonetheless.
Ahh, never knew. I only own an N64.
Got a SM3-supported GF6800, all set there. Well, IMO HL2 and BF2's physics are pretty damn good using the good old CPU. I think it'll be so hard to take advantage of the PPU (break even) that the adoption will come much later than expected. Right now I can see the development costs going through the roof. It's not that implementing it is extremely hard, but you're going to need to feed it. That said, I'll be glad to buy the PhysX board, but I did indeed forget about that part. Will it also accelerate normal arithmetic (perhaps encoding) providing the software exposes it? Am I just dreaming?
About the consoles: What about custom maps? Game mods? Do current services support any of that? Do future services strive to? I hope Sony stays away from the online service fees like Microsoft is doing with Live.
One minus: I heard that next-gen console games (from Activision) will cost $70+.
That's because they forward that extra cost to Microsoft and Sony. They aren't making much more profit.Oh what AWESOME technology. Let's see. Sega's DreamCast had a KB, Mouse, and Modem HOW MANY years ago?
Not necessarily a bigger screen, one with superior technology would also do it.
Yes, there are several models of Blu-Ray drives out, Pioneer is releasing a bare bones OEM PC specific drive soon although they failed to announce pricing as of yet(hoping that it seriously undercuts the free standing Blu-Ray drives available now).
Sony's PS2 Linux site. Them having a Linux PS3 port is a given, it is something they have been actively supporting for years now, nothing new to them.
That should be good for about one quarter the power of the PS3's GPU, but you can compensate there with lower resolution at least. You have the feature set.
I don't know about where you live, but where I'm from hand grenades tend to make short work of plywood
HL2's physics I found to be extremely poor at best given the hype. Check out some of the demonstrations Ageia is doing with their PPU- they have ported their SDK over to the PS3 already(XB360 too, but it has to be scaled down considerably) which is a smart move for them as PC processors are so weak they need the PPU to handle the workload and by having the PS3 running titles that require an add in card ports can force users hands to upgrade. The level of physics we are talking about are generations beyond anything we have seen in game to date.
Except that you have consoles forcing developers hands. PC developers are not going to want to look antiquated when compared to ports from a console- this is what they will be dealing with if they don't implement the technology.
True, but that is coming together significantly faster then anyone could have dared imagine. We already now have one of the most demanding elements of processing spun off on to the SPEs and doing so with power levels far beyond that of the most potent PC processors. And this is an entire SDK- not a one off assembly level tech demo. As of right now it is appearing that the PS3 has superior development tools to the PS2 right now- six years after the release of the PS2 and with some time yet to come for the PS3's release.
Maybe if they used Cell for their PPUs(not going to happen- way too expensive). The PPU is too dedicated to be used effectively, although it may be possible it can handle some offloading. It won't be able to approach what Cell can do(real time decode of nearly twenty 1080p video streams in real time).
Yes, with hard drives. The PS2, XB, XB360 and PS3 all are capable of expansions and custom maps with hard drives, Game Mod support hasn't been exploited yet in the PC centric way, although they offer games that you can buy that take saves from titles and use that as a launching point. Hmmmm- if you are familiar with Morrowind you can pop in the GoTY edition of the game and use your character from the original Morrowind to go complete the BloodMoon missions that are only available in the GoTY version. It isn't quite like PC games as you don't install titles on the hard drives, although there are ways of doing comparable things. With MMORPGs things work a bit differently, pretty much it works just as the PC versions do(not exactly, but effectively it is the same).
It will depend on where you shop but don't be surprised to see $59.99 prices as the normal MSRP. This is akin to WoW, HL2 or Doom3 on the PC this generation. Dev costs are going up sharply, although if their is too much consumer backlash(read lack of sales) then they will return the games to their $49.99 price point.
I call baloney.
Real-time decoding of TWENTY 1080p video streams? Yeah, sure.
I'd like to see some evidence of this, oh wait, PS3 is not even on the market yet!
My aplogies, it was twelve HD streams, 48 SDTV MPEG2 streams.
We aren't talking about the PS3, this is just Cell running pure software. With decode assist from the RSX that number would of course improve.
Good luck finding two 1080p TVs for the price of a 17" LCD. In that sense the "cheaper" console route is far more expensive.
However mouse and keyboard is too lazy. There are already PS2 games that support it; I remember playing Half-Life on PS2 with a KB+Mouse so this news isn't that great of a shocker. However I don't agree that KB+Mouse is the best possible solution for a shooter. The mouse part is great for its precision, and it can support a lot of buttons for extra functions - however you still need a surface or table top to use it on, not as convenient as a controller. Then the keyboard; digital keys aren't as precise as analog ones and while the large amount of keys are nice for performing a vast array of functions, the keyboard is still much too large for practicality, not to mention a lazy hack for games, it isn?t meant to control them so finding the precise key you need in the middle of intense action can be cumbersome.
Some new innovation would be ideal, perhaps the likes of Revolution?s controller, if it is indeed ?revolutionary?, maybe Nintendo will bring the controller a step forward in the speed and precision of the keyboard/mouse without the drawbacks.
However once we get something better than your standard dual stick design, I agree that KB+Mouse is still king when it comes to FPS.
12 HD streams? Is that it? :Q That's strictly the Cell, not the SPEs? But, seriously, what would anyone use this for? I haven't been following the Cell. It's more a general CPU than a dedicated DSP(?), so that's quite impressive actually. If that's true why can't any of the latest x86 CPUs come close to it? Because they're x86?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20050901231620.html
^ some promising news.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20050901231620.html
^ some promising news.
what i find most amusing is that by the time consoles are actually released, the mid-high end PC's are already being sold with the same level of technology, within 5 months of release mid range PC's have it....and thats at the longest......
also as someone else pointed out, be honest, how many people will have an actual 1080p display? very few people, because quite simply there are very few of them....there are a lot of 720p displays, but 1080p is not common and wont be for a few years, just some computer monitors and some high end projectors.....normal TV's that u buy in a conventional chain shop wont be higher than 720p.....so anything higher will be scaled down....therefore making the 1080 argument worthless....
the only console worth buying for a serious gamer is Nintendo as theirs have always been the hardest to emulate on to a PC, they are also the only console that has games that are never converted to PC (ie Mario and Zelda).....most other console games that are worth noting end up on PC....rather sadly really as they are weak conversions and dont use the PC to its fullest......but oh well, money makes the world go round....
also as someone else pointed out, be honest, how many people will have an actual 1080p display? very few people, because quite simply there are very few of them....there are a lot of 720p displays, but 1080p is not common and wont be for a few years, just some computer monitors and some high end projectors.....normal TV's that u buy in a conventional chain shop wont be higher than 720p.....so anything higher will be scaled down....therefore making the 1080 argument worthless....
the only console worth buying for a serious gamer is Nintendo as theirs have always been the hardest to emulate on to a PC, they are also the only console that has games that are never converted to PC (ie Mario and Zelda).....most other console games that are worth noting end up on PC....rather sadly really as they are weak conversions and dont use the PC to its fullest......but oh well, money makes the world go round....
BTW, Ben-there are readily available 15.4" LCDs that support 1920x1080 (very close at least).
This one is 1920x1200: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/NotePC/LTN154U1/LTN154U1.htm
P.S. Unless I'm sorely mistaken all they'd have to do is truncate the extra pixel rows and they'd have a 1920x1080 LCD. WHY DON'T THEY PUT THESE IN DESKTOP LCDS?!
This one is 1920x1200: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/NotePC/LTN154U1/LTN154U1.htm
P.S. Unless I'm sorely mistaken all they'd have to do is truncate the extra pixel rows and they'd have a 1920x1080 LCD. WHY DON'T THEY PUT THESE IN DESKTOP LCDS?!
Yup, just as bad as a 15" CRT. Just pointing out that there is no inherent inability in LCDs. Anyway...what were we talking about again? Oh yeah, the PS3.
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