PS3 Owners Can Collectively Weep: MGS4 Delayed Till 2008

[Dumac]

Wait. Who actually expected Metal Gear Solid 4 to come out this year?

Was I the only one who thgouth it wouldn't come till 2008?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: deepred98
not hostile per se
but still you felt the need to defend one side

i'm not trying to be a jerk or anything i'm just pointing out that very simply people get defensive and sometimes hostile about things and opinions that relate to themselves.

anyways consoles aren't that bad. the console vs. pc debates and ati vs. nvidia threads are far worse

It takes someone to step in and act as defender when everyone is either misinformed or unknowing about how the market works. So in that matter, I act not as defender, but informer.

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: dighn
no FF13, no MGS. Looks like I don't have a reason to buy the PS3 any time soon.

Fall of Man was good....=p

And Resistance 2 will be even better.

Originally posted by: Dumac
Wait. Who actually expected Metal Gear Solid 4 to come out this year?

Was I the only one who thgouth it wouldn't come till 2008?

yea I didn't quite expect it. I hoped it was pull through, but was sort of prepared for bad news. Besides, it's not even confirmed yet. No release date was ever confirmed.

 

[Koing]

WHEN the hell is GT4m going to come out on the PSP?! It's been about 2yrs and counting!!!!!!!!

MGS4 no coming will suck for PS3 owners...but when is GT5 and Tekken online going to come out?

Koing

 

[destrekor]

jpeyton... judging from your monthly sales thread as well... you're anti-PS3 stance is rather comical and saddening at the same time. Never saw someone take up such an anti-stance on something as strongly as you have. Grow up already. I think the X360 is pointless, but I don't go around with diarrhea of the mouth filled with detest. You seem to fail to realize how much competition is a beneficial thing to the industry and would rather see the PS3 fail.
Personally, I'd rather see all 3 consoles have a strong following this time around, instead of seeing only 2 actually live on.

I do fear however, that the Wii's sales numbers are merely artificially high. One reason is really hard to describe, but another reason is out of high demand/low supply. However, I feel once supplies reach the level of demand and actually create availability on the shelves, that sales will slow down substantially. I can't see it being a console that has strong sales throughout the typical 5-6 year period in-between console launches. It would be nice to see it continue to see the popularity that it does, but for some reason I just don't see that happening. As I said, my view is incredibly complicated and hard to describe without writing a market research paper with my views spilled out in it.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: AnyMal
That's actually good news. By then PS3 should drop couple of hundred $$ and I'll be able to afford it.

QFT

However, the red ring of death still keeps me from purchasing a 360 (even though I'd love to own one), so I don't think Sony's quite dead yet. At least their system is stable.

What is "red ring of death"?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: destrekor
One reason is really hard to describe, but another reason is out of high demand/low supply. However, I feel once supplies reach the level of demand and actually create availability on the shelves, that sales will slow down substantially. I can't see it being a console that has strong sales throughout the typical 5-6 year period in-between console launches. It would be nice to see it continue to see the popularity that it does, but for some reason I just don't see that happening. As I said, my view is incredibly complicated and hard to describe without writing a market research paper with my views spilled out in it.

Don't be so modest. The "hard to describe" reason is pretty easy to understand, actually.

Nintendo created a console that targets casual game players at a casual price point. Since a majority of game players are casual (especially those new to console gaming), they are flocking to the $250 Wii instead of dropping $600 on a Sony "I'm going to take over your home entertainment center" PS3.

Quit trying to invent complex situations when the explanation is rather simple. It's a numbers game.

Casual game players outnumber hardcore game players.
Standard definition TVs outnumber high definition TVs.
$250 is much more attractive than $600.

And so on, and so forth.

 

[ElFenix]

i'm trying to figure out how a konami delay is a sony blunder

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: AnyMal
That's actually good news. By then PS3 should drop couple of hundred $$ and I'll be able to afford it.

QFT

However, the red ring of death still keeps me from purchasing a 360 (even though I'd love to own one), so I don't think Sony's quite dead yet. At least their system is stable.

What is "red ring of death"?

Its when three of the four rings light up red on the Xbox. It basically means that it's dead.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: destrekor
jpeyton... judging from your monthly sales thread as well... you're anti-PS3 stance is rather comical and saddening at the same time. Never saw someone take up such an anti-stance on something as strongly as you have. Grow up already. I think the X360 is pointless,but I don't go around with diarrhea of the mouth filled with detest.

what an awful post, you lied in the first few sentences. saying a console with some solid games and a good online service is "pointless" is pretty much crap coming out of your mouth.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: AnyMal
That's actually good news. By then PS3 should drop couple of hundred $$ and I'll be able to afford it.

QFT

However, the red ring of death still keeps me from purchasing a 360 (even though I'd love to own one), so I don't think Sony's quite dead yet. At least their system is stable.

What is "red ring of death"?

Its when three of the four rings light up red on the Xbox. It basically means that it's dead.

you get a one year warranty, and for $30/year you can extend it, it's worth it for the first few years. yeah, it is ridiculous how many 360s have trouble, but $30/year isn't much money. better than the $140 repair fee.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i'm trying to figure out how a konami delay is a sony blunder

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: destrekor
jpeyton... judging from your monthly sales thread as well... you're anti-PS3 stance is rather comical and saddening at the same time. Never saw someone take up such an anti-stance on something as strongly as you have. Grow up already. I think the X360 is pointless,but I don't go around with diarrhea of the mouth filled with detest.

what an awful post, you lied in the first few sentences. saying a console with some solid games and a good online service is "pointless" is pretty much crap coming out of your mouth.

I never lied.
you simply misunderstood what I was attempting to get across. I don't view it as a pointless device to the average consumer, but to me, it is. I have a gaming computer. The services it offers, and the games it offers, do not compare to the PC gaming crowd in my eyes. No console does. But the last thing I really want is a box that plays the same games as my PC. The PlayStation brand has always had games that never reach PCs, and thus why I wanted a PS3. All the games, that I personally find interesting, are games I can access on a PC, besides Gears of War but it'll be available on a PC in the future.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: destrekor
One reason is really hard to describe, but another reason is out of high demand/low supply. However, I feel once supplies reach the level of demand and actually create availability on the shelves, that sales will slow down substantially. I can't see it being a console that has strong sales throughout the typical 5-6 year period in-between console launches. It would be nice to see it continue to see the popularity that it does, but for some reason I just don't see that happening. As I said, my view is incredibly complicated and hard to describe without writing a market research paper with my views spilled out in it.

Don't be so modest. The "hard to describe" reason is pretty easy to understand, actually.

Nintendo created a console that targets casual game players at a casual price point. Since a majority of game players are casual (especially those new to console gaming), they are flocking to the $250 Wii instead of dropping $600 on a Sony "I'm going to take over your home entertainment center" PS3.

Quit trying to invent complex situations when the explanation is rather simple. It's a numbers game.

Casual game players outnumber hardcore game players.
Standard definition TVs outnumber high definition TVs.
$250 is much more attractive than $600.

And so on, and so forth.

considering thats completely backwards from my reasoning, sure... it's simple.
but as I said, completely wrong.

It's attractive because of the price yes, but eventually the style of play it offers will be in the hands of everyone that wants to play that way, and then sales will slow down. The very same reason it appeals to so many so fast, is why it won't down the road. And even it can continue to cut prices, when the other two consoles continue to cut prices too, down the road you will have a machine that costs $100 and two that may cost around $150. At that point, the attractiveness is gone and so in interest because of what I mentioned earlier (everyone that wants one has one).

It's hard to predict the sales in 4 years, but the artificial demand due to low supply is a real marketing factor that has to be looked into. It's not something that can be ignored.
I am sorry, but I do fear Nintendo is creating that low supply on purpose. There is no reason that any of the components in the Wii are truly causing supply chain issues since the tech is quite outdated.

 

[schneiderguy]

Of course gamestop is the most accurate source for release dates in the whole world :roll:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: destrekor
It's attractive because of the price yes, but eventually the style of play it offers will be in the hands of everyone that wants to play that way, and then sales will slow down. The very same reason it appeals to so many so fast, is why it won't down the road.

The number of people the Nintendo Wii appeals to is a much larger potential market than the number of people console makers have traditionally targeted.

And even it can continue to cut prices, when the other two consoles continue to cut prices too, down the road you will have a machine that costs $100 and two that may cost around $150. At that point, the attractiveness is gone and so in interest because of what I mentioned earlier (everyone that wants one has one).

Your numbers are a mile off reality. Nintendo is turning a hefty profit at $250, and it's flying off the shelves. Microsoft is turning a small profit at $400. Sony is turning a hefty loss at $600. Nintendo could cut the Wii's price to $150 tomorrow (as in May 14, 2007), and swallow a minuscule loss per unit. Sony can only dream of miniscule losses at $600 9-12 months from now; a price cut to $400 will saddle them with heavy losses per unit through 2008; $150 PS3 is on nobody's radar except yours. True, it might get there 3-4 years from now, but Sony doesn't want to have mediocre sales until then.

It's hard to predict the sales in 4 years, but the artificial demand due to low supply is a real marketing factor that has to be looked into. It's not something that can be ignored.
I am sorry, but I do fear Nintendo is creating that low supply on purpose. There is no reason that any of the components in the Wii are truly causing supply chain issues since the tech is quite outdated.

That's part of Nintendo's genius. They have perfected manipulating inventories. It deserves praise, if anything.

 

[Queasy]

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. I had a feeling that MGS4 and FF13 were getting delayed. Not to mention the long wait for the next Gran Turismo...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Of course gamestop is the most accurate source for release dates in the whole world :roll:

You're right, the largest specialty video game retailer in the world, whose sole business is to sell video games, is a less reliable source than...?

I bet they're just making it up for fun, to lower their pre-sales :roll:

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Of course gamestop is the most accurate source for release dates in the whole world :roll:

+ Konami has been quiet.
Likely dates will be unveiled for MGS4 and Killzone 3 (people have been referring to it as 2 as of lately, however it is indeed the 3rd game in the series, when taking into consideration the PSP game) @ [the dumbed down] E3 this summer. Killzone will be on display, so its likely more news will be released as well. MGS4, its so close that it too has got to have some coverage.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Of course gamestop is the most accurate source for release dates in the whole world :roll:

You're right, the largest specialty video game retailer in the world, whose sole business is to sell video games, is a less reliable source than...?

I bet they're just making it up for fun, to lower their pre-sales :roll:

I'll believe it when Konami announces the delay :roll:

you're just mad because halo 3 sucks :Q

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: destrekor
It's attractive because of the price yes, but eventually the style of play it offers will be in the hands of everyone that wants to play that way, and then sales will slow down. The very same reason it appeals to so many so fast, is why it won't down the road.

The number of people the Nintendo Wii appeals to is a much larger potential market than the number of people console makers have traditionally targeted.

And even it can continue to cut prices, when the other two consoles continue to cut prices too, down the road you will have a machine that costs $100 and two that may cost around $150. At that point, the attractiveness is gone and so in interest because of what I mentioned earlier (everyone that wants one has one).

Your numbers are a mile off reality. Nintendo is turning a hefty profit at $250, and it's flying off the shelves. Microsoft is turning a small profit at $400. Sony is turning a hefty loss at $600. Nintendo could cut the Wii's price to $150 tomorrow (as in May 14, 2007), and swallow a minuscule loss per unit. Sony can only dream of miniscule losses at $600 9-12 months from now; a price cut to $400 will saddle them with heavy losses per unit through 2008; $150 PS3 is on nobody's radar except yours. True, it might get there 3-4 years from now, but Sony doesn't want to have mediocre sales until then.

Considering I was looking out at 4 years from now. And also, its likely the PS3 is barely losing money at this point, or is very close to losing barely anything, considering the blue laser is receiving massive price reductions due to improved manufacturing and supply.

It's hard to predict the sales in 4 years, but the artificial demand due to low supply is a real marketing factor that has to be looked into. It's not something that can be ignored.
I am sorry, but I do fear Nintendo is creating that low supply on purpose. There is no reason that any of the components in the Wii are truly causing supply chain issues since the tech is quite outdated.

That's part of Nintendo's genius. They have perfected manipulating inventories. It deserves praise, if anything.

whereas you consider it genius, I consider it exploitive practices, and while quite typical in the electronics industry, it still never deserves praise when one comes across it.

 

[intogamer]

Halo 3 is gonna push Xbox 360 into more advancement.

The guy said 800 copies reserved! That would fill up basically half of the small ass store:Q Wait til all the MGS4 guys switch over to Halo

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: destrekor
Considering I was looking out at 4 years from now. And also, its likely the PS3 is barely losing money at this point, or is very close to losing barely anything, considering the blue laser is receiving massive price reductions due to improved manufacturing and supply.

In November 2006, the cost analysis for the PS3 showed it was around $840 to produce the 60GB version, giving Sony a loss of $240 per unit in North America. Increased blue diode production alone won't drop the costs by $240. Additionally, a Cell die-shrink isn't projected to occur until 2009. Goldman Sachs analysts expect the PS3's price to drop by $100 in time for this holiday season (which is unprecedented; no console manufacturer has dropped prices so quickly into a product's life cycle). The big question is, will a $499 price point and a handful of unproven exclusives be enough?

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: destrekor
why is it consoles make people so damned hostile towards one another?

The console with the best sales will in turn attract the most 3rd-party development, especially towards the end of that console's life. As a consumer, you want to pick the winning console because it means that you'll get more of the best games; it represents a wise purchasing choice by you as opposed to purchasing something that doesn't sell well and ends up (opportunity)-costing you more than the right console. People validate themselves by showcasing their intelligence, and one measure of that is making a wise purchasing choice.

Now think of the Internet as a large echo chamber and then you'll really be able to understand the console bashing. Not only do people want to have made the right choice, but thanks to the internet they can make their choice the right one. If you say enough negative things about opposing consoles to make people not want to buy them, you are in essence further making your previous choice correct. It's foolish not to bash opposing consoles, because there's so much benefit for next to no cost.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: intogamer
Halo 3 is gonna push Xbox 360 into more advancement.

The guy said 800 copies reserved! That would fill up basically half of the small ass store:Q Wait til all the MGS4 guys switch over to Halo

?

because fans of one game that is completely unrelated, have to 'switch' to play another game? If PS3 owners happen to own a 360, and like Halo, its likely they will buy Halo 3. If they also like the Metal Gear Solid games, its likely they will buy MGS4 too. Oh noes, purchasing different products! ::world asplodes::
:roll:

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: destrekor
Considering I was looking out at 4 years from now. And also, its likely the PS3 is barely losing money at this point, or is very close to losing barely anything, considering the blue laser is receiving massive price reductions due to improved manufacturing and supply.

In November 2006, the cost analysis for the PS3 showed it was around $840 to produce the 60GB version, giving Sony a loss of $240 per unit in North America. Increased blue diode production alone won't drop the costs by $240. Additionally, a Cell die-shrink isn't projected to occur until 2009. Goldman Sachs analysts expect the PS3's price to drop by $100 in time for this holiday season (which is unprecedented; no console manufacturer has dropped prices so quickly into a product's life cycle). The big question is, will a $499 price point and a handful of unproven exclusives be enough?

Well quite a few analysts believed the blue laser diode cost around $125 on its own, and believe it costs under much closer to $25, however that may also just be prediction, I will look up the article.

edit: found the article, and will clear a few things up:
the unit cost for the entire BD drive was estimated at $125, but as most will tell you, its likely that $100 of that was the blue laser diode since the remaining components are mostly the atypical optical disc drive components. But by June that blue laser diode will cost a mere $8.