I know this is an internet forum and people lie without getting caught but would you mind backing up your statement? You've said it many time now so I'm now calling you out on it...
I know this is an internet forum and people lie without getting caught but would you mind backing up your statement? You've said it many time now so I'm now calling you out on it...
I prefer playing online with friends while keeping in constant communication with them without being disconnected when I swap out games. I also prefer not to have my disc drive magically fail when a firmware is forced down <cough> firmware 3.0 </cough>. But to each his own.
I am just finished Chapter 18 Uncharted 2 without 1 freezing. I hope it doesn't freeze at chapter 25. Great game.
Tristicus
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I prefer playing online with friends while keeping in constant communication with them without being disconnected when I swap out games. I also prefer not to have my disc drive magically fail when a firmware is forced down <cough> firmware 3.0 </cough>. But to each his own.
Considering that I do play online and keep communication with people outside of a game if I want, even when switching...and I don't even pay for it. Good thing my 60gb, which I bought used, has been perfect since launch even with a new HDD that I installed and the few Linux reformats I screwed up on. I mean, my 360 almost overheated when I left it on for a night, and scratched my GoW disc to hell...but that's normal right? I mean, there's obviously a defect in me being able to leave my PS3 on for a straight month folding or doing whatever...
What, do you call them on your cell phone?
And I really wouldn't brag about getting crap for free. Good thing my 60gb, which I bought used, has been perfect since launch even with a new HDD that I installed and the few Linux reformats I screwed up on. I mean, my 360 almost overheated when I left it on for a night, and scratched my GoW disc to hell...but that's normal right? I mean, there's obviously a defect in me being able to leave my PS3 on for a straight month folding or doing whatever...
That's funny because I bought both my 360 Elite (on launch day) and 60GB PS3 NEW and they've both been working perfectly. Weird. And yes, Folding@home is retarded.
IndyColtsFan
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This report is kind of interesting. It is a few months old and it breaks down the various failure modes of all the consoles. What concerns me is that even the PS3 is showing a 10% failure rate, which seems kind of high.
I haven't had a chance to read through it yet, but I skimmed over the graphs and it does look like an interesting read for tonight.
According to that the Jasper has not even been out for 2 years yet and has a 4% failure rate after one.
PS3 has a 10% failure rate after 2 years
there is nothing in there that says anything about the failure rate of the PS3 after only 1 year.
Direct quote:
In Q4 2008, Jasper units started arriving, although we believe units purchased during this period continued to be a mix of Falcon and Jasper models. Even with this mix, we projected the 1-year failure rate to drop below 4%. Furthermore, when looking at over 500 units purchased in 2009, fewer than 1% of customers have reported a RROD error as of Aug 2009. It is still too early to definitively assert that Jasper has given RROD a knockout punch, but such an argument may be pronounceable in the coming months.
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Wii is wicked reliable though.
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meltdown75
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So this is the report that he's been whoring to show that 'Jasper' is more reliable than PS3 or Wii? Sad...
OptimumSlinky
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The reality is both of these systems are much more prone to failure than their predecessors. But if you think about it, it's extremely logical. At the time of their debut, these were cutting-edge systems with powerful, high-speed multicore CPUs and powerful GPUs crammed into these (relatively) tiny cases. People complained that the original release PS3 was too big and heavy, but seriously, compare the size of a game console to that of a modern, high-performance PC. Most new gaming PCs have four or more fans, some have liquid cooling, and generally the cases are massive towers that when designed right are optimized for airflow and cooling. But those (necessary) precautions don't fly in the console world, and liquid cooling solutions are probably cost prohibitive, as console hardware profit margins are apparently already very thin. It's a recipe for disaster either way.
Sony is fighting it by dropping down the 45nm CPU/GPU, MS the 65nm. I would have liked to have seen the 360 drop down to 45nm as well, but I guess not.
As for the difference in the two devices in terms of usage, I have a Jasper 360 and a PS3 Slim now and I can tell you the PS3 barely gets used other than as a Blu-Ray player. I have nothing against the hardware, but rather can't find anything about its game library that excites me. Killzone 2 was a tech demo masquerading as a mediocre FPS (my opinion). Uncharted 2 was a lot of fun, but pretty linear and not something I'd spend $60 on (I borrowed it from my friend). Those are the only two exclusive titles for the PS3 that catch my interest, as God of War 3 isn't out yet. All other titles are multi-platform, and since there is virtually zero-difference between them, I play them on the system which my friends own (360). Hell, I even like the menu system in NXE and my avatar on 360 better than the creepy, overly-realistic/complicated PS Home guy.
It all comes down to opinion and personal preference. Beauty of freedom is that people can choose between the PS3, 360, or PC.
Sony is fighting it by dropping down the 45nm CPU/GPU, MS the 65nm. I would have liked to have seen the 360 drop down to 45nm as well, but I guess not.
As for the difference in the two devices in terms of usage, I have a Jasper 360 and a PS3 Slim now and I can tell you the PS3 barely gets used other than as a Blu-Ray player. I have nothing against the hardware, but rather can't find anything about its game library that excites me. Killzone 2 was a tech demo masquerading as a mediocre FPS (my opinion). Uncharted 2 was a lot of fun, but pretty linear and not something I'd spend $60 on (I borrowed it from my friend). Those are the only two exclusive titles for the PS3 that catch my interest, as God of War 3 isn't out yet. All other titles are multi-platform, and since there is virtually zero-difference between them, I play them on the system which my friends own (360). Hell, I even like the menu system in NXE and my avatar on 360 better than the creepy, overly-realistic/complicated PS Home guy.
It all comes down to opinion and personal preference. Beauty of freedom is that people can choose between the PS3, 360, or PC.
I replayed Chapter 25 a few nights ago to see if it would freeze again, and it went though with no problems. I guess its random, but all of the posts I see about freezing at the end of Chapter 25 on Uncharted 2 there has to be something going on.
Krazy4Real
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I played through uncharted a long time ago and didn't have any freezing issues. I played through uncharted 2 and the game never froze on me.
Sorry you're having a bad experience with your console.
Sorry you're having a bad experience with your console.
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I gave it back to Gamestop and got MGS4 instead. So far no freezes in MGS4 and Resistance 1. It did lock once on logging into PS Home, but I was downloading a few demos and was connecting via wifi, don;t know if that is an issue but no lockups on MSG4 yet.
Kabob
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Wow, suddenly it was me that was whoring that report, yet I've never seen it before. I think I've said that the Jasper is more reliable than the PS3 maybe once or twice before on these forums (I'll do the work for you. I've said it twice, both times in the same thread and both times in response to you: Link), not sure where your getting your "many times" but considering how much you like to bitch about the 360 (I'll give you a hint, search just in console gaming for posts by Dari with "360" in them...you'll get 229 results. Not all bashing the 360 but a large portion of 'em) it doesn't surprise me that you can make up statements like that and get away with it.
Then there's you who takes every opportunity to bash the 360 just so you can get some sort of fanboi satisfaction and to find some sort of relevence for your purchase. I don't care what you own. If it works then use it.
As for my source, I can't see it here but I think this is the article. Or you can go call out Queasy as a liar as well Queasy if you'd like. You know, I'm a little spotty on math but I thought a 4% failure rate for Jasper 360's was lower than a 10% failure rate of the PS3 (as reported on by Gamespot).
Look, I'm not debating that the 360 had a rough start, the PS3 is more reliable overall, nor am I touting the 360 as the have all end all reliable machine, I'm just saying that the Jasper has fixed the majority of the issues and was calling out the guy who said it was 100% defective...
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Oooh, must've struck a nerve. This changes nothing. You're still a liar for skewing statistics to make your point. The numbers don't even fit evenly. You may as well say that since your XBOX 360 works fine for three days that means that all 360s are more reliable than PS3s that have been on the market for years...
It's not just you OP, the PS3 sucks for most people. It's not the least desirable and worst selling console of this generation for no reason.
Kabob
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You didn't strike a nerve but arguing with biased morons isn't my forte. If by "skewing statistics" you mean you're a dumbass who can't read then yes, I skewed statistics when I clearly said that the Jasper has a lower failure rate that overall PS3s.
Please show me where I/they say that it was a 3 day test? I thought it was a 1 year test: 4% 1 year failure rate vs. 10% 2 year failure rate for the PS3.
Hmm...damn math!
bob4432
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how so? having both, i would say their gaming experience is pretty =. sure there are more 360s out there, but the ps3s are coming in decently.
drbrock
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uncharted 1 froze on me everytime at the introduction of the zombie or mutant level. I got fed up and sold the game. I personally don't think uncharted is that great for me it was too repetitive. Although I hear UC2 is amazing, i refuse to spend 60 on it. maybe 25 when a price break comes.
Ps3 IMHO is the best system. Everything is basically free after purchase. So many different options you can do with it.
The only thing I wish it could do would be a media extender for windows 7, I would by another one for the second tv in a second, if that were the case.
Ps3 IMHO is the best system. Everything is basically free after purchase. So many different options you can do with it.
The only thing I wish it could do would be a media extender for windows 7, I would by another one for the second tv in a second, if that were the case.
It froze on me 1 time at chapter 25 last night. I finished the game. The final boss was pretty weak. Great game thou.
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It was after the big fight where you shoot the white tree trunk for an explosion so the tree roots would retract. I am moving on to Bioshock 2. I have not be in the Rapture in awhile.
Tristicus
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Oh yeah, I forgot it wasn't outselling the 360 considering the extra year the 360 has been out. :hmm:
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