PS2 vs. GC vs. X-Box

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Engine

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Your points about patches are probably valid about the Xbox, but how is the PS2 some sort of PC hybrid where the GC won't be? I'm confused.

Also, from everything I've heard (and experienced, although my TV is such an old POS that I can't tell too much between DVD and VHS :p ) the PS2's DVD player is an adequate entry-level player. The only real gripe that I've heard about it is using the controller to play the movie. And you can buy a remote for it for about twenty bucks.
 

Elledan

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<< Your points about patches are probably valid about the Xbox, but how is the PS2 some sort of PC hybrid where the GC won't be? I'm confused.>>

Doesn't the PS2 have a HD? I must admit that the PS2 doesn't really qualify for the title 'hybrid-console/PC', but it's only the first step of Sony in moving away from traditional consoles.

The GameCube has, just like every previous Nintendo/Sega/etc. console, dedicated hardware, specially designed for only that single console. The PS2 does have this too, although the developers clearly didn't do their best to make it easy to design for, which is nearly a law when designing consoles.
 

Engine

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No, no hard drive for the PS2. No &quot;OS&quot;, either (&quot;OS&quot; meaning Win2k, Linux, etc.) No boot times, either, other than the Playstation splash screen. In fact, I fail to see in any way that it is a step away from a &quot;real&quot; console.

<shrugs> Oh, well :)
 

I don't think the XBox is going to have much of a boot time. There is not GUI or services to load. The OS will be on the currently inserted CD (DVD), so there will be no patching of the OS. Games will probably end up becoming &quot;patchware&quot;, no matter what anyone is saying now.

Being the OS is on the boot DVD, there is really nothing stopping developers from running an alternate OS or graphics API, other than the obscurity of the hardware interfaces. It's safe to say that outside of the slashdot hackers, everyone will be running a Win2k light kernel and Direct X on the XBox. Perhaps if enough developers complain someone will implement OpenGL on the XBox. It won't be MS and if anyone does implement it, MS will be mighty pissed off at them. I would like to see Doom3 run on the XBox. It might be a good alternative to shelling out 400+ bucks for a GeForce3 card to play it. Then again, it would require the purchase of a proprietary USB mouse and keyboard. Now that's dumbass.

I still think the XBox will be a miss, no matter how good the graphics are. Even if MS can overcome all the problems that face it, it's still an unknown market for them.

 

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Who uses 4 controllers anyways? Almos everyone I know doesn't even have the money to afford to buy 3 more controllers to go with the system. As the GC games, I personally disliked Wave Race, Mario is for kids, and Zelda is the only one to look good. Xbox will have its moment in the US, and will most likely fail miserably in Japan. GC will most likely thrive in Japan, and do so-so in America. DC has thrived in America, only doing so-so in Japan. PS2 has somewhat thrived in America, and is still the system of choice in many of Japan. Of course, to most hardcore console gamers, their gonna get all 4 anyways.
 

Zucchini

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xbox boot time couldn't be any worse then the playstations:p The os doesn't have to look around for your components etc.. bah, its stripped down.
 

ElFenix

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the DC has the option of running wince, although most games don't.

panasonic is making the DVD drive on the gamecube, and they might come out with a gamecube version that can play full dvds (nintendo is not allowing that on the regular gamecube so that they don't have to pay the $20 license fee per box to the DVD people)

the PS2 has 1 game on DVD right now. its so cheap to make CDs that developers choose to use those.

as for patching... xbox devs are pretty much used to making PC games for the most part, and when hasn't one of those been patched? even blizzard patches. though, since the hardware is standardized on the xbox, they should be able to get rid of any device conflicts.

and anyone heard about xbox tech's lawsuit against microsoft for trademark infringement?

i think its safe to say that if sega is a nintendo dev there will be plenty of &quot;mature&quot; games, not just pokemon. plus metroid and zelda. Sega NFL2K2 would kick on the GC. Shenmue 2, anyone?
 

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<< No, no hard drive for the PS2. No &quot;OS&quot;, either (&quot;OS&quot; meaning Win2k, Linux, etc.) No boot times, either, other than the Playstation splash screen. In fact, I fail to see in any way that it is a step away from a &quot;real&quot; console. >>



Correction, this summer Sony plans to release their broadband/hard disk device. The price is still unknown but the rumored size is 40GB.

And that splash screen is the boot up... Just because there isn't a bar going across the screen like win2k or an image sitting there like win9x doesn't mean it's not booting up. In fact, those cubes you see in the beginning are representations of the past games you've played saved into memory. The dimmer they are, the longer it's been since you've played that game.
 

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Just found this post since I was out of town yesterday and thought I would throw my my $.02 opinion in, I hope that it is a non-biased fair one since I am not a fan boy of any system as I have most of the old and new ones. First of all l would like to throw the DC in the mix for right now, as it is IMO the best system out right NOW, including the PS2 that I do own, the DC for the money and the deals going on right now is great, I mean there are many great tiles out for it and the graphics on these 2nd and 3rd gen games are better than most on PS2 and there are more games coming out as long as there is demand, I talked to a Sega rep a couple days ago and he said they were developing for the DC for 2 more years or as long as there was demand.

The PS2 just doesn't have anything earth shattering out for it yet, will it? Yes probably so but for Sony it may be too late for them when the good stuff starts coming out since the Gamecube will be out and maybe the Xbox too. But you can't count the PS2 out because there is a large user base out there and with the newer dev kits the games are getting easier to develop for the PS2. Then again Sony may have somewhat of an advantage kind of like the DC does now like I said earlier because when the GC and Xbox come out then Sony will have some good 2nd gen games to compete with. As far as the GC and Xbox I believe the winner here will be who launches first and price will be an issue, launch date though is the key and I believe it will be Nintendo, since the big N has set a date and we are starting to hear rumblings of MS possibly delaying the launch particularly in Japan.

As far as HW comparisons looking at the numbers, some may put MS ahead of Nintendo but as was posted earlier the raw CPU and graphics speed numbers don't tell the whole truth, the Gecko spin-off processor should be more than adequate for rendering video for a dedicated games console just as the P3 will be for the Xbox, and remember these consoles are IMO not much more than vaporware specifically since MS keeps downgrading the numbers, also there is NO way the Xbox will render the Polygons MS claims in a playable mode, it may do so in a lab with a pre rendered demo running with all the effects off but who plays games like that, not me. Another thing I think MS has going against them is the cost of the system, they may be loaded with $$ but they aren't going to give it away even though most console mfrs have taken losses and have made up for them with the games, but I believe MS would have to take huge losses in order to keep the price of this thing competitive to the GC or even the PS2. I don't see how it could sell for less than $400 and at that they would be losing $ and for a lot of gamers particularly kids that is too much money to spend on a game console. All in all what is important is the games and with Sega jumping on the wagon with Nintendo more so than with the others I believe they will win and I think the Xbox will fail, I hope they don't because I want one but I just believe it will so I say Nintendo wins. Atari 2600 comes in second.
 

thraashman

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I've taken a good look at all of them and here's my assessment. (Since Sega has already abandoned the DC it gets no consideration)

PS2 - First one out of the gates. First one to get MGS2 and Soul Reaver 2. Has a built in DVD player. But is hard to program for and in low availability right now. They're angering developers and consumers with this.

X-Box - Has one of the largest companies in the world behind it. Has support of almost every major game developer. (MS owns a large part of Konami and it owns Bungi thus they will be the only to get Halo and will also get MGSX) Squaresoft has been showing alot of support for the X-box as well and the FF games should be coming to it too. Also the hardware behing the X-Box is more than twice as good as what the other 2 have. And MS has said that it will not allow programmers to put out incomplete games and then patches. The HD is supposed to be for game addons and saving only, no patches. And I'm not positive, but I believe it will play DVD movies as well. It's Japanese market support isn't as much right now, but seems to be growing greatly. I think it's success will depend on its price to be announced at E3.

GameCube - Will not play DVD movies. But this will help keep its price low. It will have the most original games of the 3 systems. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid and even Pokemon will make them alot of money. The media that the GC is gonna use is supposed to be unique to it, so game pirating will be almost non-existent for it. Unfortunately, not much has been released about the GC specs wise and it hasn't been hyped up enough in the US market. I think it will start slower than the rest, but will catch up.

Basically my view is. PS2 was a dissappoinment to most. Once newer systems come out, the PS2 sales will porbably near disappear. The GC and X-Box will be big competitors against eachother, but the X-box will come out of the gate quicker and stronger than anything we've yet seen. I think at first the X-box will have a clear lead over the rest, but when the GC gets out it's heavy hitters (Zelda and Metroid) it will jump up to the top and be the coveted #1 Consol System.

I'm gonna get an X-box though.
 

stonerdave

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I think it's a little too early to tell, but look for M$ to lose some serious cash, win or lose.
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<< Blodget estimates Microsoft will &quot;lose $125 on every Xbox console--and that's before taking into account&quot; sales, marketing and other administrative costs. >>



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<< Squaresoft has been showing alot of support for the X-box as well and the FF games should be coming to it too. >>




I like to know where you got that info. Square has publicly said they will not develop for x-box. Cause M$ tried to strong arm them and buy them. They said they wouldn't develop for the x-box only for the PS line up.
 

Digobick

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Actually, IGN reported not too long ago about how Square tried to come back to Nintendo, but Nintendo said &quot;no.&quot; I think you'll see Square develop for both PS2 and NGC, but it's going to be awhile before Nintendo agrees to anything.
 

Engine

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Chrisisbored:

Huh... cool, I didn't know that about the little cubes. Anyway, my point was that calling the Playstation 2 less of a &quot;real&quot; console than the GC will be based on those factors is unreasonable.
 

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Square isn't developing for XBox as of right now. Will they in the future? We can't say. Xbox will do well for a while in the US, but GC will most likely pass it. PS2 will always remain in the hunt, and if they can get more quality games like GT3, ZOE or MGS2 released on a regular basis, it'll be near the top.
 

Check out this article. I think it suggests that the XBox will sell for $250.



<< production costs are expected to be an unusually high $375 per machine because of the console's advanced features >>




<< estimates Microsoft will &quot;lose $125 on every Xbox console >>


$375 - 125 = $250

It also says the GameCube will sell for $200. Hmmm, it's going to an interesting marketing war come fall.