Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate science

[K1052]

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060056858

U.S. EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt is leading a formal initiative to challenge mainstream climate science using a "back-and-forth critique" by government-recruited experts, according to a senior administration official.

The program will use "red team, blue team" exercises to conduct an "at-length evaluation of U.S. climate science," the official said, referring to a concept developed by the military to identify vulnerabilities in field operations.

"The administrator believes that we will be able to recruit the best in the fields which study climate and will organize a specific process in which these individuals ... provide back-and-forth critique of specific new reports on climate science," the source said.

"We are in fact very excited about this initiative," the official added. "Climate science, like other fields of science, is constantly changing. A new, fresh and transparent evaluation is something everyone should support doing."

The disclosure follows the administration's suggestions over several days that it supports reviewing climate science outside the normal peer-review process used by scientists. This is the first time agency officials acknowledged that Pruitt has begun that process. The source said Energy Secretary Rick Perry also favors the review.

So the plan is to "teach the controversy" similar to the insane arguments about evolution and just make up the rest by discounting peer review. Also trying to junk the Endangerment finding will spark a huge court battle because you can't just change/cancel adopted rules without scientific evidence to back you, courts will laugh at the administration.

Murray acknowledged that the legal fight over the endangerment finding would be "tough." He thinks that's because climate activists and renewable power producers want to keep making money off climate change.

"All these people will be jumping on this on the other side because it's all about money, but it is not about America. America needs reliable, low-cost electricity, and that is a mix of different fuels," he said.

Murray also wants Perry to use emergency authority to stop coal and nuclear plant closures, although lawyers have said that is unlikely to happen (Energywire, June 19).

Still, Murray, who is close with the president, said he thinks Trump would be "receptive" to the idea.

Also, fuck you Bob Murray. I'm pretty sure you're in business to make money. You just want the government to step in and decide everything in your favor.

 

[dawp]

Not really all that surprising considering Pruitts track record as OK AG

 

[Thebobo]

I don't have anything nice to say about this man or his absurd policies. He should not be in that position but I will say this, Pruitt is the 21 first century James Watt. A total tool.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Hey if the "teams" are proportionally represented based on current consensus on climate change great. I strongly suspect this will go another way.

 

[Paratus]

Hey if the "teams" are proportionally represented based on current consensus on climate change great. I strongly suspect this will go another way.

Well the "good news" such as it is, is guess who will be bearing the brunt of climate change cost in the US through out the rest of the century according to a new study?

https://arstechnica.com/science/201...e-world-climate-change-will-hit-poor-hardest/

Looks like the red states will be paying more than their fair share. (Just like with health care, jobs, the environment, etc. but hey they voted for it)

 

[IronWing]

The trouble with that map is that the 0-5% damage to coastal California is likely worth more than all the damage to the southeast states combined.

 

[Thebobo]

Well the "good news" such as it is, is guess who will be bearing the brunt of climate change cost in the US through out the rest of the century according to a new study?

https://arstechnica.com/science/201...e-world-climate-change-will-hit-poor-hardest/

Looks like the red states will be paying more than their fair share. (Just like with health care, jobs, the environment, etc. but hey they voted for it)

Shit I (like a billion other people) was thinking about retiring to florida soon but maybe not lol.

 

[Paratus]

The trouble with that map is that the 0-5% damage to coastal California is likely worth more than all the damage to the southeast states combined.

I know. Basically gallows humor

(Also don't forget the 0-5% to New York City.)

 

[dainthomas]

Is the formal initiative to challenge gravity far behind?

 

[thilanliyan]

I find it staggering that some people can ignore the consensus of the majority of scientists in the world. It's not some conspiracy against the US or something.

 

[Stokely]

Shit I (like a billion other people) was thinking about retiring to florida soon but maybe not lol.

I've lived the vast majority of my 50 years in Florida, and I'm looking to move to Minnesota for a variety of reasons.

Yeah, maybe I'll hate the winters, but I hate the 10 month summers here. We had our AC on for several days around Xmas this past year.

Insurance is getting hard to get and expensive here, especially on the coast (hurricanes) and climate change is going to make that worse.

The politics are another thing. I've ruled out moving to Charlotte due to NC's politics, and the list of states I'd be willing to voluntarily move to is shrinking. MN and Oregon are my two top contenders. Canada would be my top choice, but I didn't make the express cut so that's more of a long-term effort. I think things have a good chance to fall to pieces here, both the climate and society in general. Not that Canada would escape the "fallout"....

 

[dainthomas]

I've lived the vast majority of my 50 years in Florida, and I'm looking to move to Minnesota for a variety of reasons.

Yeah, maybe I'll hate the winters, but I hate the 10 month summers here. We had our AC on for several days around Xmas this past year.

Insurance is getting hard to get and expensive here, especially on the coast (hurricanes) and climate change is going to make that worse.

The politics are another thing. I've ruled out moving to Charlotte due to NC's politics, and the list of states I'd be willing to voluntarily move to is shrinking. MN and Oregon are my two top contenders. Canada would be my top choice, but I didn't make the express cut so that's more of a long-term effort. I think things have a good chance to fall to pieces here, both the climate and society in general. Not that Canada would escape the "fallout"....

New Zealand is my second choice. And that's even more difficult than Canada to get residency.

 

[Thebobo]

I've lived the vast majority of my 50 years in Florida, and I'm looking to move to Minnesota for a variety of reasons.

Yeah, maybe I'll hate the winters, but I hate the 10 month summers here. We had our AC on for several days around Xmas this past year.

Insurance is getting hard to get and expensive here, especially on the coast (hurricanes) and climate change is going to make that worse.

The politics are another thing. I've ruled out moving to Charlotte due to NC's politics, and the list of states I'd be willing to voluntarily move to is shrinking. MN and Oregon are my two top contenders. Canada would be my top choice, but I didn't make the express cut so that's more of a long-term effort. I think things have a good chance to fall to pieces here, both the climate and society in general. Not that Canada would escape the "fallout"....

Hmm might rethink my possibilites, going to make a post in OT.

 

[Roflmouth]

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060056858.

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060056858

LOL

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Keep laughing, schmuck. That map shows who's gonna get pounded hardest by this and, surprise surprise, it's hardcore Trump country. Serves 'em right, if I may venture to express an opinion.

 

[agent00f]

Well the "good news" such as it is, is guess who will be bearing the brunt of climate change cost in the US through out the rest of the century according to a new study?

https://arstechnica.com/science/201...e-world-climate-change-will-hit-poor-hardest/

Looks like the red states will be paying more than their fair share. (Just like with health care, jobs, the environment, etc. but hey they voted for it)

Degenerates don't mind taking a hit as long as ethnic people lower on the social totem get it worse than them.

 

[boomerang]

I find it staggering that some people can ignore the consensus of the majority of scientists in the world. It's not some conspiracy against the US or something.

And the rest of the scientists can what, pound sand? Is science ever 'settled'? Does the scientific community operate under the principle of majority rule?

 

[ch33zw1z]

And the rest of the scientists can what, pound sand? Is science ever 'settled'? Does the scientific community operate under the principle of majority rule?

If you could post the minorities peer reviewed findings, it would help.

 

[agent00f]

And the rest of the scientists can what, pound sand? Is science ever 'settled'? Does the scientific community operate under the principle of majority rule?

Basic AGW is settled science much like evolution or smoking causes cancer, even if degenerates are always inclined to pretend it's not.

 

[boomerang]

If you could post the minorities peer reviewed findings, it would help.

Help what?. It's all settled in the minds of the true believers because it has taken on the trapping of organized religion. One that dictates that everyone must tithe to it regardless of their belief. This program is a good thing. Let the scientific community on both sides of the equation duke it out.

 

[agent00f]

Help what?. It's all settled in the minds of the true believers because it has taken on the trapping of organized religion. One that dictates that everyone must tithe to it regardless of their belief. This program is a good thing. Let the scientific community on both sides of the equation duke it out.

Funny when the creationists try to accuse anyone else of organized religion.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Help what?. It's all settled in the minds of the true believers because it has taken on the trapping of organized religion. One that dictates that everyone must tithe to it regardless of their belief. This program is a good thing. Let the scientific community on both sides of the equation duke it out.

Like agent said. A mind of science is open to information. Conflating science and religion is a common tactic among the religious.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Help what?. It's all settled in the minds of the true believers because it has taken on the trapping of organized religion. One that dictates that everyone must tithe to it regardless of their belief. This program is a good thing. Let the scientific community on both sides of the equation duke it out.

kinda like how other scientific research and results are settled. this program is bullshit. the less we delay in trying to reduce our impact on climate, the better.



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[pmv]

There's already a program to critique climate science. It's called 'climate science'. That's how science works.

Wonder if these 'experts' will just be the same few (mostly Alabama at Huntsville?) guys who have been attacking the mainstream science for decades now, without coming up with anything of substance?

This might not be a complete travesty, if it involves funding actual relevantly-qualified scientists. I'm sure the conventional science can cope as it has with the existing 'skeptic' minority, and more science is not necessarily a bad thing even if its funded for biased reasons. But I hope it won't just be giving a louder voice to a bunch of unqualified crackpots with no scientific qualifications at all or qualifications in the wrong fields.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Let the scientific community on both sides of the equation duke it out.

Yeah, NASA, 97% of all scientists in the field from all over the world, mountains of evidence through peer reviewed studies dating back to 1896.

This needs to be ignored because there is the odd guy hired by Exxon or who is in no way an expert in the field disagrees.