Proud to be American

[dahunan]

Should we make one of these posts every time a homicide bomber kills himself and innocent people around him and title it "Proud to be Muslim" I cannot understand why the mods have allowed your trollish title to last so long

 

[beyoku]

This is the type of stuff we blame on "Alkedee in Iraq."

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Should we make one of these posts every time a homicide bomber kills himself and innocent people around him and title it "Proud to be Muslim" I cannot understand why the mods have allowed your trollish title to last so long

what is the difference between a "homicide bomber" and a "suicide bomber"

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Should we make one of these posts every time a homicide bomber kills himself and innocent people around him and title it "Proud to be Muslim" I cannot understand why the mods have allowed your trollish title to last so long

No... because America is there to be setting an example. Supposed to be forming a stable government, liberating the people, and trying to impose a better way of life for everyone. Where as the nutjob bombers are completely different.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Yes, because it's oh-so-easy to tell the innocent civilians from the militants who *dress* as innocent civilians do and wander in/around/through crowds of innocent civilians deciding where to blow themselves and anyone nearby to smithereens.

Don't go trying to paint the Iraqi people as poor, innocent bystanders. Sure, there are plenty of them who ARE innocent, but the moral crime is on the MILITANTS who prefer to hide among the innocent and spread their own destruction to as many undeserving people as they can. In this scenario, there is NOTHING else our military can do but fire on whoever looks suspicious. It's a crappy plan, to be sure, but the morally depraved here aren't our soldiers, it's the insurgents who INTENTIONALLY bring the violence to civilian areas.

Jason

Oh right I forgot.. The part of the innocent victim is reserved for the Americans, everyone else deserves to die right.

So by your logic, if an armed fellon decides to hide near you and your family in a public place, the police have the right to blast a bullet in your head just because you look suspicious or are around a suspicious looking person? That's quite the plan.

quit using civilian cars and children as suicide bombers and this stuff wouldn't be happening

Before there were suicide bombers in Iraq there were Americans dropping bombs on densely populated Iraqi cities, guaranteeing civilian deaths. The claim that Americans don't target civilians is B.S. Bombs don't discriminate. Maybe if Americans would stop killing Iraqis then Iraqis might stop killing Americans. Has it occured to you that one reason Iraqis might want to kill Americans is that damn near every Iraqi is related to someone murdered by American bombs or American guns?

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But the OP is only trying to start a bunch of BS by over sensationalizing an event that may have been very necessary.. He/She makes it seem like the even was 100% malevolent and unnecessary... <snip>

/q]

Exactly! The latest attempt by the Right to legitimize this piece of crap Bush started in Iraq is compare it to WWII or some other just/necessary war. The group of people in this country opposing that idea is growing exponentially as time goes on. I myself supported it when Bush had me convinced Saddam was ready to use WMD on us. Not anymore.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Yes, because it's oh-so-easy to tell the innocent civilians from the militants who *dress* as innocent civilians do and wander in/around/through crowds of innocent civilians deciding where to blow themselves and anyone nearby to smithereens.

Don't go trying to paint the Iraqi people as poor, innocent bystanders. Sure, there are plenty of them who ARE innocent, but the moral crime is on the MILITANTS who prefer to hide among the innocent and spread their own destruction to as many undeserving people as they can. In this scenario, there is NOTHING else our military can do but fire on whoever looks suspicious. It's a crappy plan, to be sure, but the morally depraved here aren't our soldiers, it's the insurgents who INTENTIONALLY bring the violence to civilian areas.

Jason

Oh right I forgot.. The part of the innocent victim is reserved for the Americans, everyone else deserves to die right.

So by your logic, if an armed fellon decides to hide near you and your family in a public place, the police have the right to blast a bullet in your head just because you look suspicious or are around a suspicious looking person? That's quite the plan.

The fact is this: In war, innocent people get hurt. It's called collateral damage. It sucks, yes, but it's a fact of life. For the most part, we DO and HAVE tried to avoid civilians as much as possible. It's precisely BECAUSE of this fact that these SAVAGES choose to hide in and around civilians. Who is it who doesn't give a piss? The INSURGENT SAVAGES. If they gave one BIT of a damn about innocent lives, about the Iraqi people, about ANYTHING at all but their fanatical cause, their devotion to the idea that people should be ruled with an iron fist, they'd put on uniforms and fight on the battlefield like real honest, HONORABLE men.

The bottom line is that the insurgents are SAVAGES. They do not fight with HONOR, they do not care AT ALL about the "Innocent Iraqi civilians". If, in order to defeat these SAVAGES and bring peace and order to Iraq we have to risk some civilian lives, then so be it. It's not the best situation, but you're never going to get the best situation when you're dealing with SAVAGES.

Jason

Savages.... They're a lot smarter than you are. They probably actually KNOW just wtf is going on. The point is, the U.S. shouldn't BE in Iraq in the first place! (where are the WMD again?, if you recall THAT was the justification for attacking Iraq) And here you are gloating about the indiscriminant slaughter of the Iraqi people.
Who are the savages again? :disgust: Just don't whine when another 9/11 happens.

Yes, the Iraqi's are so enormously intelligent that the MAJORITY (the Shiites) allowed a MINORITY (the Sunni's) to rule over them with an iron fist, intimidate them daily, abuse them at will, murder them en masse and so on for a *generation*. I'm so glad that they're so terribly intelligent and understand exactly what's going on.

In your little mind, I suppose that Iraq's just a nation full of masochists looking for another whipping "scene" because they get off on it.

Jason

If anyone has a "little" mind, it would be you.
So the Somalis are that much smarter than Americans? After all, they whooped our ass and threw us out with sticks and stones and a few RPGs. That's where your "Logic" gets you. :roll: You're just another windbag bigot cheering for U.S. hegemony in World affairs without having the least understanding of the ramifications of American actions.

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Savages.... They're a lot smarter than you are. They probably actually KNOW just wtf is going on. The point is, the U.S. shouldn't BE in Iraq in the first place! (where are the WMD again?, if you recall THAT was the justification for attacking Iraq) And here you are gloating about the indiscriminant slaughter of the Iraqi people.
Who are the savages again? :disgust: Just don't whine when another 9/11 happens.

A hit, and a miss.

You know how I know that Iraqis had WMDs - France and U.S. sold it to them during the Iran-Iraq war.

We sold them HUGE stocks of chemical weapons, and supplied them with know-how and equipment to make biological weapons as well. The fact that none of it was found is a testament to the HUMONGOUS failure of intelligence that is the Gulf War 2.

Now it is also clear that WMDs weren't the real reason we went to war with Iraq, but don't discount historical fact just because it doesn't support your argument.

Yeah and we had 10 years to take it apart too (and starve plenty of women and children to boot! ya!)
My "argument" is based upon the word of the administration that was going to "restore honor and dignity" to the Whitehouse. Instead we get an idiot on a religious crusade.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Actually, our satellite-guided bombs DO discriminate. They targeted military targets, which Saddam INTENTIONALLY placed in neighborhoods and populated areas. Those were LEGITIMATE targets, and since we've just been told a couple of posts up that the Iraqi people are so damn smart, it's reasonable to assume they put two and two together, said "Hey, that's a military target next to my house. I'm getting out of dodge!".

Jason

How much of the town you live in is within the damage zone of a "legitimate" target? Remember legitimate targets include military facilities, military personnel, communications facilities, power facilities, transportation facilities, heavy industry, and anyother facility that might possibly aid the military. Claiming that targets were intentionally placed in neighborhoods and therefore the Iraqis are to blame is specious. Cities grow around military facilities because there are jobs to be had. There is an Air Force base in the center of the town in which I live. Is the U.S. intentionally using civilians as a shield to protect the base?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: envy me

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Aegis-PSD.wmv

Here is what American money pays for. Every American can sit back and be proud of what is going on in Iraq. Shooting at innocent civilians.


This is how American's spread democracy. Take note.

"This is how Americans spread democracy"

Honestly, are you insane?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Actually, our satellite-guided bombs DO discriminate. They targeted military targets, which Saddam INTENTIONALLY placed in neighborhoods and populated areas. Those were LEGITIMATE targets, and since we've just been told a couple of posts up that the Iraqi people are so damn smart, it's reasonable to assume they put two and two together, said "Hey, that's a military target next to my house. I'm getting out of dodge!".

Jason

How much of the town you live in is within the damage zone of a "legitimate" target? Remember legitimate targets include military facilities, military personnel, communications facilities, power facilities, transportation facilities, heavy industry, and anyother facility that might possibly aid the military. Claiming that targets were intentionally placed in neighborhoods and therefore the Iraqis are to blame is specious. Cities grow around military facilities because there are jobs to be had. There is an Air Force base in the center of the town in which I live. Is the U.S. intentionally using civilians as a shield to protect the base?

There are NO military targets near my neighborhood, and the argument is not "Specious". The fact is that Saddam and friends placed things like mobile AA cannons, mobile surface to air missle batteries and so on DIRECTLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS. We saw plenty of videos of such things destroyed when the war first started. You can try to pretend it didn't happen, but the evidence is plentiful if you just go out and google for it, or if you had paid attention when the war started. You're attempting to confuse the issue, and it's not going to work.

Jason