Proud history of conservatives

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In the dark ages I was proud to support the conservative teachings that the ancient Romans and Greeks had learned all there was to be learned. When Galileo claimed his outlandish theory that the Earth was not the center of the universe, I was proud to stand by my conservative brothers and cheer when he was put in his place by the Church.

In the 1700?s I was proud to support the Divine Right Of Kings. After all, it was the way things should be. I was proud to keep serfdom the way of life we had all come to know.

When the idea that man had certain inalienable rights such as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, was put forth, I scoffed at the outlandish notion.

When liberal ?thinkers? said women should have the ?right? to vote, I marched in protest, and quoted the best conservative thinkers of the day.

When liberals proposed the 40 hour work week and child labor laws, I proudly proclaimed they would destroy society.

When liberals wanted to regulate the financial markets, I was at the forefront of voting them down. After all, I could quote the greatest conservative thinkers of the 1920?s who said the stock market would never fail.

When the world armed for war, I was sure that isolationism would protect America, and we could never be affected by a foreign war.

When liberals said black people should have equal rights and even the right to vote, well, I knew that was nonsense and would destroy America.

When liberals said cigarettes were bad for me, I could quote many scientific studies, funded openly or secretly by our finest cigarette manufacturers, that they were perfectly safe.

When liberals wanted to give people of different races the right to marry, I was sure it was the end of western civilization.

When some people wanted to end discrimination against gays, I knew in my conservative heart that it would end in disaster.
When.....

Well, I guess that should be enough to show how right conservatives always are...


 

BMW540I6speed

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How nice. The unhinged from the bowls of his or her political class are out in force, making threads devoid any discussion other than build blanket generalizations, and to blame the other for their shortcomings in life with their boogyman du jour.

Although todays conservitive party is, in sore need of purging and is wandering the wilderness right now, there always will be, and there always should be a conservitive party in the political spectrum of the US. Every democracy in the world has one, get used to it.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: techs
When liberals said black people should have equal rights and even the right to vote, well, I knew that was nonsense and would destroy America.

Your almighty Democratic party is the one responsible for nearly 100 years of segregation in the south after the Civil War.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: techs
When liberals said black people should have equal rights and even the right to vote, well, I knew that was nonsense and would destroy America.

Your almighty Democratic party is the one responsible for nearly 100 years of segregation in the south after the Civil War.

Heh, yeah, the southern "liberal" democrats who suddenly switched to the republican party after LBJ delivered civil rights to blacks. Could you be more disingenuous?

Don't answer, i already know: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2306548&enterthread=y
 

Moonbeam

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A conservative wants to preserve what is good about the past.

A liberal wants is to change what is bad about the present.

A fool wants to preserve what is bad about the past or change what is good about the present.

What is good and what is bad, that is the question.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: techs
When liberals said black people should have equal rights and even the right to vote, well, I knew that was nonsense and would destroy America.

Your almighty Democratic party is the one responsible for nearly 100 years of segregation in the south after the Civil War.

Heh, yeah, the southern "liberal" democrats who suddenly switched to the republican party after LBJ delivered civil rights to blacks. Could you be more disingenuous?

Don't answer, i already know: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2306548&enterthread=y

You already promoted your idiotic topic once in this thread. Get a life.
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: techs
When liberals said black people should have equal rights and even the right to vote, well, I knew that was nonsense and would destroy America.

Your almighty Democratic party is the one responsible for nearly 100 years of segregation in the south after the Civil War.

Heh, yeah, the southern "liberal" democrats who suddenly switched to the republican party after LBJ delivered civil rights to blacks. Could you be more disingenuous?

Don't answer, i already know: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2306548&enterthread=y

You already promoted your idiotic topic once in this thread. Get a life.

LOL, let him go. He's got his little BS study and now he's gotta ride it like a $2 whore. Freedom of speech is worth every penny :thumbsup:
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: techs
When liberals said black people should have equal rights and even the right to vote, well, I knew that was nonsense and would destroy America.

Your almighty Democratic party is the one responsible for nearly 100 years of segregation in the south after the Civil War.

Those Democrats are called Neo-cons now. What's your label?
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: techs
When the world armed for war, I was sure that isolationism would protect America, and we could never be affected by a foreign war.

Uh, both liberals and conservatives were against involvement in both World Wars. Hell, after Pearl Harbor got bombed, FDR caught major flak for going to war against Germany first instead of Japan. After all, Germany had done nothing against America.

The whole culture of America was isolationism back then, it had nothing to do with conservatism/liberalism.
 

JKing106

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I'd like a Neocon to tell me, themselves, what their beliefs are, but I can't find one who'll take the corporate cock out of their mouths long enough. Looks to me they're just a bunch of jingoistic fascists* who'll say and do anything to make a buck.

*Fascism is government run by corporations, no matter how much Fox News tries to redefine the term.
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: JKing106
I'd like a Neocon to tell me, themselves, what their beliefs are, but I can't find one who'll take the corporate cock out of their mouths long enough. Looks to me they're just a bunch of jingoistic fascists* who'll say and do anything to make a buck.

*Fascism is government run by corporations, no matter how much Fox News tries to redefine the term.

Are you kidding me?

Why are you pretending to know anything about fascism or neocons?
 

Munky

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: techs
When the world armed for war, I was sure that isolationism would protect America, and we could never be affected by a foreign war.

Uh, both liberals and conservatives were against involvement in both World Wars. Hell, after Pearl Harbor got bombed, FDR caught major flak for going to war against Germany first instead of Japan. After all, Germany had done nothing against America.

The whole culture of America was isolationism back then, it had nothing to do with conservatism/liberalism.

But.. but ... but... Conservatives bad! Liberals good!
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: techs
When the world armed for war, I was sure that isolationism would protect America, and we could never be affected by a foreign war.

Uh, both liberals and conservatives were against involvement in both World Wars. Hell, after Pearl Harbor got bombed, FDR caught major flak for going to war against Germany first instead of Japan. After all, Germany had done nothing against America.

Germany declaring war against the US wasn't 'nothing'.

The whole culture of America was isolationism back then, it had nothing to do with conservatism/liberalism.

There's some truth to that, but conservatives were more isolationist than liberals then.

That's for better or worse - while liberals might have had some 'make the world safe for democracy' type benevolent ideology, they were vulnerable to imperialism, too.
 

Siddhartha

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I find that the conservative vs liberal argument does not always fit all discussions.

Which group was\is against Civil Rights for minorities and equal rights for women?
 

Starbuck1975

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*Fascism is government run by corporations, no matter how much Fox News tries to redefine the term.
Fascism is a bit more complex than that...no matter how much you would like to think so, it takes more than a right leaning news station and corporate interests to make a fascist regime.
 

jackschmittusa

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0marTheZealot

Hell, after Pearl Harbor got bombed, FDR caught major flak for going to war against Germany first instead of Japan

Where do you get this crap? We declared war on Japan on Dec. 8, 41, and on Dec. 11 against Germany after Germany declared war against us.

Care to elaborate more?
 

JKing106

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
*Fascism is government run by corporations, no matter how much Fox News tries to redefine the term.
Fascism is a bit more complex than that...no matter how much you would like to think so, it takes more than a right leaning news station and corporate interests to make a fascist regime.

It's already here, and has reared it's ugly head twice in the last hundred years. Oddly, it preceded a recession both times, and a catastrophic depression the first.

A man named Henry Wallace, FDR's Vice President, a much more intelligent man than all the people on this forum put together on such matters had this to say about American Fascism:

"The really dangerous American fascists," Wallace wrote, "are not those who are hooked up directly or indirectly with the Axis. The FBI has its finger on those. The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power."

Hello, Fox News. More to the point:

"If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States. There are probably several hundred thousand if we narrow the definition to include only those who in their search for money and power are ruthless and deceitful. ... They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead."

Fascism is the worship of money. Period. It always has been. Since Ronald Reagan, the Republican party has put money ahead of human beings every time (Bill Clinton called himself a Democrat, but he wasn't. He was a left leaning Republican.) And he sold out blue collar America with GATT and NAFTA for cheap shit made in sweat shops by children. You know, the same thing that used to happen here in America.) And people still buy the Republican bullshit rhetoric. "Socialism!" "Welfare moms taking my tax money!" "Gays getting married! "Baby killers!"

THE NEOCONS DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT YOU. ONLY THE MONEY THAT CAN BE MADE OFF YOUR BACKS. THEY LIE TO YOU SO YOU WILL KEEP VOTING THEM INTO POWER, YOU IDIOTS. WAKE THE FUCK UP.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
0marTheZealot

Hell, after Pearl Harbor got bombed, FDR caught major flak for going to war against Germany first instead of Japan

Where do you get this crap? We declared war on Japan on Dec. 8, 41, and on Dec. 11 against Germany after Germany declared war against us.

Care to elaborate more?

He's right about the part that the public in the US was largely upset with FDR about his making Germany the priority early in the war instead of Japan.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
0marTheZealot

Hell, after Pearl Harbor got bombed, FDR caught major flak for going to war against Germany first instead of Japan

Where do you get this crap? We declared war on Japan on Dec. 8, 41, and on Dec. 11 against Germany after Germany declared war against us.

Care to elaborate more?

Obviously he means the Germany First agreement that was made between the US and Great Britain, even before the Japanese attack.
It is absolute common knowledge that it was decided that in the event of war between the US and both Germany and Japan, the strategy would be to defeat Germany first.
Even after Pearl Harbor the US followed thru on this strategy, in fact setting a rough 90-10 percent distribution of war materials towards the European theater.
With the public outraged against the Japanese over Pearl Harbor, it was difficult for the US government to explain and follow the Germany First policy, but it did.