Prototype

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Robert Munch
so far it seems there are too many interuptable cutscenes during the mid-fight and the cutscenes seem vague with little to no explanation other than Mercer is hurting inside and how he continuously repeats himself of how he wants to kill everyone and the viruses creator. The in game voice-overs make the game feel awkward when the characters cuss with too much focus/emphasis on the words fvck and shit. Movement alone is a bit hard to control when using a 360 controller on a PC when running about in high speeds and performing extremely high jumps there is no sense of movement control whatsoever especially when scaling buildings and when landing Mercer's jumps. IMO the game isn't worth 50 bucks considering there is no multiplayer.

Wow, no kidding. Looks cool enough for a bargain bin buy, once it finally gets there.

KT

 

[Sam25]

Originally posted by: Robert Munch
so far it seems there are too many interuptable cutscenes during the mid-fight and the cutscenes seem vague with little to no explanation other than Mercer is hurting inside and how he continuously repeats himself of how he wants to kill everyone and the viruses creator. The in game voice-overs make the game feel awkward when the characters cuss with too much focus/emphasis on the words fvck and shit. Movement alone is a bit hard to control when using a 360 controller on a PC when running about in high speeds and performing extremely high jumps there is no sense of movement control whatsoever especially when scaling buildings and when landing Mercer's jumps. IMO the game isn't worth 50 bucks considering there is no multiplayer.

Disappointing, the poor controls you mention is the part which specially hit me. I'll wait for the prices to roll down on this one.

 

[gigahertz20]

I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

I have an idea of another trip you might be making

 

[Ackmed]

Lots of games are worth $50, even though they dont have multiplayer. Game of the year anyone? Bioshock. That in itself, is not a reason to not buy it, imo.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: Piuc2020
IGN gave it an average review, 7.5, and they're known for overscoring games (GTA IV - 10, WTF?)

GTA has something like a 9.8 average review score, not from 1-2 or even 4-5 review sites. 50+ all gave it near perfect scores. IGN's 10 might have been a bit high, but it's not far far out of line at all compared to every other review. I haven't seen one that gave it less than a 9, most were damn near perefct. Outside of HL2, I don't remember a game getting suchhigh markings from a ton of different review sites. HL2 deserved the praise. GTA:IV was great too, I dunno about 10/10 good, but I'd give it at least 9.5 without a 2nd thought. Can't say IGN overscores games when the majority of their reviews are low scores, and the ones that are uber high, the games tend to be rated high on every review site.

If I am not mistaken Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the highest rated game of all time including all platforms even to this day (I mean perfect scores, and the number of such scores it received all around the world on the web at the time and especially from various gaming magazines). I think that the aggregated scores of Metacritic and Game Rankings gives OoT a final score of around 9.8 or 9.9 out of 10 (at least the last time I checked).

And I believe that the original Half-Life is the winner of the highest number of video gaming awards to this day (it didn't receive as much perfect scores as OoT, but it got more awards, something like 55 or so over a period of a year after its release), everything a company could win in regards to software/gaming development and design was won, every single one of them (of that time).

Yeah but Ocarina of Time and Half Life deserved those kind of scores (especially for the time they were released in), GTA IV deserves a 9 or below, review sites aside, many many users feel the same; it sounds like a conspiracy theory but nothing else makes sense: Rockstar bribed reviewers.

Everyone on the net you'll find fanatical praise for games like OoT and HL, as for GTA IV, you'll find people that say it's great and whatnot but thousand more that say the game was a a disappointment or it was just decent/good.

Anyways, IGN's and 1UP's game really make thing twice about Prototype, is there a demo available for PC or PS3? I think not but might as well be sure.

I take user reviews with a grain of salt. I did see a lot of people who said it wasn't good (GTA IV) but I also saw a lot who claimed it was totally unplayable on anything except a Quad processor. I played it just fine on a C2D. A lot of users tend to review a game based off playing it for a very short period of time, or even worse not playing it at all. And a lot of the reviews I saw complained about the buggy camera movement which made them sick. It was a form of copy protection so all those people complaining didn't even buy it. lol

GTA IV was a very good game for what it was. I still haven't beat it, but the graphics are good, the story is very decent and it has some of the best characters I remember in a non Lucasarts adventure game. Brucie alone makes GTA IV a 9 game. You also have to factor in how many copies were sold. GTA IV sold a bazillion copies, so naturally some people online will not like it. Zelda is decades old. If it came out today it would have just as many people saying "this sucks!!!" a good number of people on-line hate every game, no matter how good it is.

 

[StormSide]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

I have an idea of another trip you might be making

Yes the jails are just full of people that download stuff!

 

[gigahertz20]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

I have an idea of another trip you might be making

And where might that be? Thousands of bittorent downloads, and I have yet to make this trip you speak of. It also helps to have a hacked modem that lets you change the MAC address, free internet with no physical home address associated with your IP. Eat your heart out jonks.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: gigahertz20

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

I have an idea of another trip you might be making

And where might that be? Thousands of bittorent downloads, and I have yet to make this trip you speak of. It also helps to have a hacked modem that lets you change the MAC address, free internet with no physical home address associated with your IP. Eat your heart out jonks.

I hope you are not stupid enough to use a hacked modem, there are a multitude of ways an ISP can locate such modems. The penalty is fairly steep, averaging $1500 fine, and felony charges for circumventing DMC.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: gigahertz20

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

I have an idea of another trip you might be making

And where might that be? Thousands of bittorent downloads, and I have yet to make this trip you speak of. It also helps to have a hacked modem that lets you change the MAC address, free internet with no physical home address associated with your IP. Eat your heart out jonks.

I was assuming that he was saying the mods are going to give you a vacation for admitting to piracy.

 

[mindcycle]

Look like it's available on Steam. Has anyone picked it up yet? If it's not a horribly rushed console port I might grab it when the retail version is out.

http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-344181.aspx

 

[gigahertz20]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: gigahertz20

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

I have an idea of another trip you might be making

And where might that be? Thousands of bittorent downloads, and I have yet to make this trip you speak of. It also helps to have a hacked modem that lets you change the MAC address, free internet with no physical home address associated with your IP. Eat your heart out jonks.

I was assuming that he was saying the mods are going to give you a vacation for admitting to piracy.

Saying, "I'll be making a trip to a torrent site" is not admitting to piracy. Even if somebody comes on this forum and says they are going to download a specific game or movie off a torrent site, you are not going to be banned from this forum. If you provided links then that would probably get you a vacation, but why would a mod ban somebody just because they said they are going to download a copyrighted game or movie? You can't ban somebody just because their morals are not to your liking.

 

[gigahertz20]

I hope you are not stupid enough to use a hacked modem, there are a multitude of ways an ISP can locate such modems. The penalty is fairly steep, averaging $1500 fine, and felony charges for circumventing DMC.

Care to list some of these "multiple ways?"

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: gigahertz20

I hope you are not stupid enough to use a hacked modem, there are a multitude of ways an ISP can locate such modems. The penalty is fairly steep, averaging $1500 fine, and felony charges for circumventing DMC.

Care to list some of these "multiple ways?"

I'm glad you don't understand how they can track cloned modems. That means before long you will reap what you sow.

My issue with pirates is they don't admit it for what it is. It is stealing . Don't try to rationalize it like, well there was no demo, or I just wanted to try it out. You stole it. If you can't live with being called a thief then don't do it. The only people who make excuses for what they do are people who know they have done something wrong.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: mindcycle
Look like it's available on Steam. Has anyone picked it up yet? If it's not a horribly rushed console port I might grab it when the retail version is out.

http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-344181.aspx

I've watched the game play on the consoles and I'm concerned that they may have gone too far with the superhuman aspect. The character is too superhuman. He can destroy a tank with one swipe of a blade, and then the tank blows up and moves around like it has a mass of a person. I also noticed things just pop onto the level so it seems like they are just streaming bad guys out as you run around killing.

Going to wait on this one till I see more of the game play .

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: gigahertz20

I hope you are not stupid enough to use a hacked modem, there are a multitude of ways an ISP can locate such modems. The penalty is fairly steep, averaging $1500 fine, and felony charges for circumventing DMC.

Care to list some of these "multiple ways?"

I'm glad you don't understand how they can track cloned modems. That means before long you will reap what you sow.

My issue with pirates is they don't admit it for what it is. It is stealing . Don't try to rationalize it like, well there was no demo, or I just wanted to try it out. You stole it. If you can't live with being called a thief then don't do it. The only people who make excuses for what they do are people who know they have done something wrong.

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. Learn legal terms before using them.

Stealing required the original is taken, pirating leaves the original within the hands of the original owner.

Copyright infringement, NOT stealing.

(Still illegal )

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: videogames101


It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. Learn legal terms before using them.

Stealing required the original is taken, pirating leaves the original within the hands of the original owner.

Copyright infringement, NOT stealing.

(Still illegal )

Its stealing regardless of the semantics . Anytime you take something without permission that is being a thief.

The problem is the sense of entitlement people have come into. You are not entitled to every movie , game, and mp3 just because you don't like the way it is being marketed. That is why pc gaming is going to hell. Who wants to make products for a group of people that think stealing your hard work is okay or justified ?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: videogames101

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. Learn legal terms before using them.

Stealing required the original is taken, pirating leaves the original within the hands of the original owner.

Copyright infringement, NOT stealing.

(Still illegal )

As the holder of two patents and several copyrights, I'll be glad to tell you you're full of shit, legally, ethically and morally! Patent and copyright infringement are in fact stealing. They are thefts of intellectual property.

Only dickwad thieves and wannabe thieves would try to excuse theft or differentiate one form of theft from another. :|

 

[esquared]

Originally posted by: gigahertz20

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: gigahertz20

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
I'd like to try out a demo of it, but I don't see any available. Of course they probably didn't want to release a demo before the full game came out in fear that people would play it and not want to buy it. Looks like I'll be making a trip to a torrent site....

I have an idea of another trip you might be making

And where might that be? Thousands of bittorent downloads, and I have yet to make this trip you speak of. It also helps to have a hacked modem that lets you change the MAC address, free internet with no physical home address associated with your IP. Eat your heart out jonks.

I was assuming that he was saying the mods are going to give you a vacation for admitting to piracy.

Saying, "I'll be making a trip to a torrent site" is not admitting to piracy. Even if somebody comes on this forum and says they are going to download a specific game or movie off a torrent site, you are not going to be banned from this forum. If you provided links then that would probably get you a vacation, but why would a mod ban somebody just because they said they are going to download a copyrighted game or movie? You can't ban somebody just because their morals are not to your liking.

Actually we can and we do. Discussion of piracy is OK. Admitting you're downloading movies, games is not.

We will be discussing you. We will get back to you on this.


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

 

[mindcycle]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: videogames101

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. Learn legal terms before using them.

Stealing required the original is taken, pirating leaves the original within the hands of the original owner.

Copyright infringement, NOT stealing.

(Still illegal )

As the holder of two patents and several copyrights, I'll be glad to tell you you're full of shit, legally, ethically and morally! Patent and copyright infringement are in fact stealing. They are thefts of intellectual property.

Only dickwad thieves and wannabe thieves would try to excuse theft or differentiate one form of theft from another. :|

I believe videogames101 is pointing out that the definitions of the two are different. Physical theft (stealing) as opposed to copyright infringement, or to put it another way, stealing a physical object of some sort compared to copying bytes of data. You can steal and apple from the grocery store, but you can't clone (or copy) that apple while leaving the original on the shelf. Thus why the term copyright infringement exists.

Both are immoral, but there is a difference.

 

[gigahertz20]

Actually we can and we do. Discussion of piracy is OK. Admitting you're downloading movies, games is not.

We will be discussing you. We will get back to you on this.


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

I never admitted to downloading anything that was copyrighted. Anyways, I understand why mods on here don't want people to talk about downloading copyrighted games/movies/music on the forums...every thread would turn out like this. Somebody creates a topic about a game or movie, then somebody posts something about downloading it for free, then there are just a string of replies with people bashing each other over piracy and their own personal views on the subject...completely getting off the original topic of just discussing the game/movie.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: mindcycle

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: videogames101

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. Learn legal terms before using them.

Stealing required the original is taken, pirating leaves the original within the hands of the original owner.

Copyright infringement, NOT stealing.

(Still illegal )

As the holder of two patents and several copyrights, I'll be glad to tell you you're full of shit, legally, ethically and morally! Patent and copyright infringement are in fact stealing. They are thefts of intellectual property.

Only dickwad thieves and wannabe thieves would try to excuse theft or differentiate one form of theft from another. :|

I believe videogames101 is pointing out that the definitions of the two are different. Physical theft (stealing) as opposed to copyright infringement, or put another way, stealing a physical object of some sort compared to copying bytes of data. You can steal and apple from the grocery store, but you can't clone (or copy) that apple while leaving the original on the shelf. Thus why the term copyright infringement exists.

Both are immoral, but there is a difference.

You're making a distinction without a difference. Bank robbery, carjacking and theft by deception or fraud all involve the theft of the property of another. Patents and copyrights recognize the value of "intellectual property" that is embodied more in concept than in a physical reality, but it is still property. If you steal the ideas of another and profit from the sale or use of those ideas, you are as much a thief as the bank robber, the con man and the carjacker.

 

[mindcycle]

Originally posted by: Harvey
You're making a distinction without a difference. Bank robbery, carjacking and theft by deception or fraud all involve the theft of the property of another. Patents and copyrights recognize the value of "intellectual property" that is embodied more in concept than in a physical reality, but it is still property. If you steal the ideas of another and profit from the sale or use of those ideas, you are as much a thief as the bank robber, the con man and the carjacker.

Ok, but would you agree that physical theft and copying bytes of data are two different activities? If your answer is yes, then it would make sense that they would require different definitions.

I'm not arguing that they aren't both immoral and punishable by the law. I'm saying they are two different actions, thus the reason why the phrase copyright infringement exists when referring to copying computer data without legal permission.

How do you "steal" bytes of data?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: mindcycle

I believe videogames101 is pointing out that the definitions of the two are different. Physical theft (stealing) as opposed to copyright infringement, or to put it another way, stealing a physical object of some sort compared to copying bytes of data. You can steal and apple from the grocery store, but you can't clone (or copy) that apple while leaving the original on the shelf. Thus why the term copyright infringement exists.

Both are immoral, but there is a difference.

I look at it like this:

I am a game developer. I spend hundreds of hours on a title with the belief that someone who wants to enjoy what I have produced will pay me for my time. If someone downloads that game without paying for it then they are receiving the benefit of my work without me receiving anything from them. Regardless of whether they are taking a physical copy off the store shelf or if they download a torrent, they have received the benefit of my work without paying me anything for it.

It doesn't even matter if they intended to buy it or not. I set up the conditions for the work I produced. They do not have the right to make up their own rules. My conditions were, I did the work and for the player to view that work I want money.
Whether you download it or steal a box off the shelf, both takes money I expected to get out of my pocket.

 

[mindcycle]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I am a game developer. I spend hundreds of hours on a title with the belief that someone who wants to enjoy what I have produced will pay me for my time. If someone downloads that game without paying for it then they are receiving the benefit of my work without me receiving anything from them. Regardless of whether they are taking a physical copy off the store shelf or if they download a torrent, they have received the benefit of my work without paying me anything for it.

It doesn't even matter if they intended to buy it or not. I set up the conditions for the work I produced. They do not have the right to make up their own rules. My conditions were, I did the work and for the player to view that work I want money.
Whether you download it or steal a box off the shelf, both takes money I expected to get out of my pocket.

I agree.

I'm not here trying to argue that piracy is ok or anything like that. I buy my games. Just trying to point out the distinction between two totally different activities that people often group together as the same thing.

You develop a game which exists as bytes of data on a hard drive, DVD, or some other form of media. If someone steals your hard drive or DVD, that would be different than simply copying those bytes of data and leaving the hard drive or DVD in your possession. The first is theft of a physical object, the second is committing copyright infringement.

A retail game includes a cost for the production for the case, manual, and media (DVD, CD, etc..). A chunk of data doesn't contain those costs, thus there has to be a difference in definition. It's really as simple as that.