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KMFJD

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What is happening in South Africa is also quite interesting. Seems like something that could happen in the US.

i thought this was an interesting explanation on what's going on

tldr: the riots have been significantly propelled by crises of structural unemployment, intensified by covid, and food insecurity , riots in South Africa exploded right after another failed attempt by the ANC last week to amend section 25 and open the road to land redistribution
 
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i thought this was a good explanation on what's going on

tldr: the riots have been significantly propelled by crises of structural unemployment, intensified by covid, and food insecurity , riots in South Africa exploded right after another failed attempt by the ANC last week to amend section 25 and open the road to land redistribution

lol entitlement to land redistribution.

You guys are at full nutters.
 

Bitek

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just something new for the chuds to do, a few commentators on fox are calling for air strikes and an invasion.....

I don't know about the usefulness of airstrikes, but I would approve if Biden aggressively supported the protestors in pursuit of the overthrow of the Communist govt.

Cuba becoming a democracy and working towards normalized US relations is the best outcome for them and us.

Terrible politics and strategy if he drags his feet.
 
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lol when Black Lives Matter protests in huge force during the height of the pandemic outside across the country it's goooooooood.


When Cubans fight for freedom though? Lol our media has gone to complete shit.


 

sandorski

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I don't know about the usefulness of airstrikes, but I would approve if Biden aggressively supported the protestors in pursuit of the overthrow of the Communist govt.

Cuba becoming a democracy and working towards normalized US relations is the best outcome for them and us.

Terrible politics and strategy if he drug his feet.

Disagree. The US needs to let Cubans within Cuba decide their fate. They still support worse regimes elsewhere.
 
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Disagree. The US needs to let Cubans within Cuba decide their fate. They still support worse regimes elsewhere.
"decide their fate" lol. They don't get a decision hahaha. Thats the whole point silly buns.

The most they have as far as a "decision" is whether they die from an oppressive government or die trying to swim to another country.
 

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Disagree. The US needs to let Cubans within Cuba decide their fate. They still support worse regimes elsewhere.

I think there is a difference between "deciding their fate" and helping free them from an oppressive govt they can't effectively fight on their own.

Without help, these overthrows are difficult to achieve against a govt more than willing to wontonly jail and kill their citizens. See Iran, see China, see Russia, see Hong Kong...

Sitting on our hands and watching them get crushed is a poor reflection on us as the champions of freedom.
 
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i thought this was a good explanation on what's going on

tldr: the riots have been significantly propelled by crises of structural unemployment, intensified by covid, and food insecurity , riots in South Africa exploded right after another failed attempt by the ANC last week to amend section 25 and open the road to land redistribution

Nothing but calm, cool, and rational behavior here....

 

HomerJS

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i thought this was a good explanation on what's going on

tldr: the riots have been significantly propelled by crises of structural unemployment, intensified by covid, and food insecurity , riots in South Africa exploded right after another failed attempt by the ANC last week to amend section 25 and open the road to land redistribution
Meanwhile here the Republicans are pushing us INTO apartheid
 
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HomerJS

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lol this is a cross between the Critical Race Theory and this thread - but this is just too hilarious:




YAY! Everyone of the standard citizens are all equally oppressed and struggling to eat! Racism problem solved!
English isn't your strong suit. You must have slept through school. I suggest looking up the word "codify"

You are really stupid. I guess it's Nikole Hannah-Jones's fault for not dumbing down her article for the likes of you
 

KMFJD

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Meanwhile here the Republicans are pushing us INTO apartheid
I don't know what the solution there is either, giving people without farming experience land will only end in failure and then those with resources will buy up the land again and we are back to square one
people need jobs that pay reasonable wages, and the rich shouldn't be the only ones deciding what 'reasonable' is....
 

sandorski

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I think there is a difference between "deciding their fate" and helping free them from an oppressive govt they can't effectively fight on their own.

Without help, these overthrows are difficult to achieve against a govt more than willing to wontonly jail and kill their citizens. See Iran, see China, see Russia, see Hong Kong...

Sitting on our hands and watching them get crushed is a poor reflection on us as the champions of freedom.

Protests, especially about things affected by the US Embargo, are not attempts at overthrow.
 

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Nothing but calm, cool, and rational behavior here....


As someone whose fiancée is not only South African, but was directly affected by this rioting (she lost decades of family heirlooms in storage)... just be quiet about this. Please. You don't have an inkling of the politics behind it and the factors involved.

This isn't really a racism issue, even if the rioting stoked some existing resentment of white farmers — I've seen numerous instances of black and white people working together to protect property and restore communities. From what I've gathered, it's more a factional and tribal issue... Zuma supporters versus everyone else, Zulu versus Xhosa. That and a knock-on effect where poverty in townships pressures people to loot (if you're desperate for food and supplies and your neighbors ransacked the local store, you might join them).

There are also signs that political extremists, like Julius Milema and his EFF party, may have helped instigate the rioting.

Remember, it's notable that much of the rioting is in Zuma's home province of KwaZulu-Natal (where Durban is the largest city). Go to places like Cape Town and you won't find this happening. This is targeted and partisan, and it's important to consider that reality before reaching conclusions.
 
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KMFJD

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As someone whose fiancée is not only South African, but was directly affected by this rioting (she lost decades of family heirlooms in storage)... just be quiet about this. Please. You don't have an inkling of the politics behind it and the factors involved.

This isn't really a racism issue, even if the rioting stoked some existing resentment of white farmers — I've seen numerous instances of black and white people working together to protect property and restore communities. From what I've gathered, it's more a factional and tribal issue... Zuma supporters versus everyone else, Zulu versus Xhosa. That and a knock-on effect where poverty in townships pressures people to loot (if you're desperate for food and supplies and your neighbors ransacked the local store, you might join them).

There are also signs that political extremists, like Julius Milema and his EFF party, may have helped instigate the rioting.

Remember, it's notable that much of the rioting is in Zuma's home province of KwaZulu-Natal (where Durban is the largest city). Go to places like Cape Town and you won't find this happening. This is targeted and partisan, and it's important to consider that reality before reaching conclusions.
The videos coming out of Durban are something else, disturbing as hell.....just before these riots started this was passed as well


King cannot be happy about that....

In a landmark judgment a South African high court has declared that people living on customary land in the province of KwaZulu-Natal, notionally held in trust by the Ingonyama (king) of the Zulu people, are the “true and beneficial owners” of that land.

It confirms that the Ingonyama Trust Board is not the real owner of this land. It, therefore, cannot convert the customary land rights of occupiers to rent-paying leases as it has been doing.

I think a little over 5 million South Africans live on this land currently and they had been starting to try and extract rent payments
 

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The rabid right are pretending to support Cubans fighting against communisim trying to make a decent living wage, healthcare, and basic human rights while simultanously telling Americans that a living wage, healthcare, and basic human rights are Communism while STILL sucking Putin's Red dick! You can't make this level of stupid up.
The rabid right... dumb as rocks.
 
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The rabid right are pretending to support Cubans fighting against communisim trying to make a decent living wage, healthcare, and basic human rights while simultanously telling Americans that a living wage, healthcare, and basic human rights are Communism while STILL sucking Putin's Red dick! You can't make this level of stupid up.
The rabid right... dumb as rocks.

This is exactly right. Not like living wages, healthcare, and human rights such as criminal justice are communist anything, but because their base is so dumb and/or such shitty human beings

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