Protesters = Terrorists? They are according to this proposed law.
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Of course they are terrorists! What would Thomas Jefferson, Bejamin Franklin, or George Washington think if they knew people would be disagreeing with the government?
UNCjigga
Lifer
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WTF??? With that language, I could join a protest already in progress...and then if one bad apple does something stupid and brings out the paddywagon, I could get charged of "participating in an act intended by at least one of its participants to disrupt" civic services?
They would probably say, "If you don't like it, get out!" Oh, wait, no, that's just the immature wankers here at ATOT. My mistake.
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I think the little sh!ts that were purposely trying to tie up White House fax and voice lines should get some kind of reprimand...25 years is a little harsh though :Q
Protesting or picketing is one thing. Deliberately trying to crash telephone circuits or doing DDos attacks on webservers is going a little beyond "peaceful protests".
Protesting or picketing is one thing. Deliberately trying to crash telephone circuits or doing DDos attacks on webservers is going a little beyond "peaceful protests".
Amused
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While I disagree with the knee-jerk reactionism of this bill, I must say something:
Protesters today have no idea what civil disobedience is. It's the act of breaking an unjust law, and forcing judicial review. It IS NOT the act of breaking just laws, and denying other individuals their civil rights to protest something completely unrelated to the law you are breaking and the rights you are violating.
Rosa Parks: Justifiable civil disobedience. She broke the Jim Crow laws because they were unjust. She did not break laws unrelated to the one she was protesting.
People who chain themselves to businesses and/or block traffic to protest something that is not related to trespassing and traffic laws: Idiots who deserve prosecution.
Protesters today have no idea what civil disobedience is. It's the act of breaking an unjust law, and forcing judicial review. It IS NOT the act of breaking just laws, and denying other individuals their civil rights to protest something completely unrelated to the law you are breaking and the rights you are violating.
Rosa Parks: Justifiable civil disobedience. She broke the Jim Crow laws because they were unjust. She did not break laws unrelated to the one she was protesting.
People who chain themselves to businesses and/or block traffic to protest something that is not related to trespassing and traffic laws: Idiots who deserve prosecution.
Agreed, prosecuted as terrorists? They may be stupid, but does stupidity warrant 25 years in prison?
Here's the full text of the bill. Kinda long...sorry.
Senate Bill 742
Sponsored by Senator MINNIS
SUMMARY
The following summary is not prepared by the sponsors of the
measure and is not a part of the body thereof subject to
consideration by the Legislative Assembly. It is an editor's
brief statement of the essential features of the measure as
introduced.
Creates crime of terrorism. Punishes by life imprisonment.
A BILL FOR AN ACT
Relating to terrorism; creating new provisions; and amending
section 19, chapter 666, Oregon Laws 2001.
Be It Enacted by the People of the State of Oregon:
SECTION 1. { + (1) A person commits the crime of terrorism if
the person knowingly plans, participates in or carries out any
act that is intended, by at least one of its participants, to
disrupt:
(a) The free and orderly assembly of the inhabitants of the
State of Oregon;
(b) Commerce or the transportation systems of the State of
Oregon; or
(c) The educational or governmental institutions of the State
of Oregon or its inhabitants.
(2) A person commits the crime of terrorism if the person
conspires to do any of the activities described in subsection (1)
of this section.
(3) A person may not be convicted of terrorism except upon the
testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or upon
confession in open court.
(4)(a) A person convicted of terrorism shall be punished by
imprisonment for life.
(b) When a person is convicted of terrorism under this section,
the court shall order that the person be confined for a minimum
of 25 years without possibility of parole, release to post-prison
supervision, release on work release or any form of temporary
leave or employment at a forest or work camp.
(c) At any time after completion of a minimum period of
confinement pursuant to paragraph (b) of this subsection, the
State Board of Parole and Post-Prison Supervision, upon the
petition of a prisoner so confined, shall hold a hearing, the
sole issue of which is to determine whether the prisoner is
likely to be rehabilitated within a reasonable period of time.
The board shall conduct the proceeding in the manner prescribed
for a contested case hearing under ORS 183.310 to 183.550 except
that:
(A) The prisoner has the burden of proving by a preponderance
of the evidence the likelihood of rehabilitation within a
reasonable period of time; and
(B) The prisoner has the right, if the prisoner is without
sufficient funds to employ an attorney, to be represented by
legal counsel, appointed by the board, at board expense.
(d) If, upon hearing all of the evidence and upon a unanimous
vote of all of its members, the board finds that the prisoner is
capable of rehabilitation within a reasonable amount of time and
that the terms of the prisoner's confinement should be changed to
life imprisonment with the possibility of parole, release to
post-prison supervision or work release, the board shall enter an
order to that effect and convert the terms of the prisoner's
confinement to life imprisonment with the possibility of parole,
release to post-prison supervision or work release and may set a
release date. Otherwise, the board shall deny the relief sought
in the petition.
(e) Not less than two years after the denial of the relief
sought in a petition under paragraph (c) of this subsection, the
prisoner may petition again for a change in the terms of
confinement. Further petitions for a change may be filed at
intervals of not less than two years thereafter. + }
SECTION 2. { + Notwithstanding ORS 181.575 and 181.850, a law
enforcement agency shall cooperate with any federal or state
agency that is investigating an act of terrorism, and a law
enforcement agency may retain any information relating to an
investigation of terrorism as long as the investigation remains
open. The Attorney General shall adopt rules governing the
retention of such information. + }
SECTION 3. Section 19, chapter 666, Oregon Laws 2001, as
amended by section 5, chapter 696, Oregon Laws 2001, is amended
to read:
{ + Sec. 19. + } The crimes to which section 1 (11)(b),
chapter 666, Oregon Laws 2001, applies are:
(1) Bribe giving, as defined in ORS 162.015.
(2) Bribe receiving, as defined in ORS 162.025.
(3) Public investment fraud, as defined in ORS 162.117.
(4) Bribing a witness, as defined in ORS 162.265.
(5) Bribe receiving by a witness, as defined in ORS 162.275.
(6) Simulating legal process, as defined in ORS 162.355.
(7) Official misconduct in the first degree, as defined in ORS
162.415.
(8) Custodial interference in the second degree, as defined in
ORS 163.245.
(9) Custodial interference in the first degree, as defined in
ORS 163.257.
(10) Buying or selling a person under 18 years of age, as
defined in ORS 163.537.
(11) Using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct,
as defined in ORS 163.670.
(12) Encouraging child sexual abuse in the first degree, as
defined in ORS 163.684.
(13) Encouraging child sexual abuse in the second degree, as
defined in ORS 163.686.
(14) Encouraging child sexual abuse in the third degree, as
defined in ORS 163.687.
(15) Possession of materials depicting sexually explicit
conduct of a child in the first degree, as defined in ORS
163.688.
(16) Possession of materials depicting sexually explicit
conduct of a child in the second degree, as defined in ORS
163.689.
(17) Theft in the second degree, as defined in ORS 164.045.
(18) Theft in the first degree, as defined in ORS 164.055.
(19) Aggravated theft in the first degree, as defined in ORS
164.057.
(20) Theft by extortion, as defined in ORS 164.075.
(21) Theft by deception, as defined in ORS 164.085, if it is a
felony or a Class A misdemeanor.
(22) Theft by receiving, as defined in ORS 164.095, if it is a
felony or a Class A misdemeanor.
(23) Theft of services, as defined in ORS 164.125, if it is a
felony or a Class A misdemeanor.
(24) Unauthorized use of a vehicle, as defined in ORS 164.135.
(25) Mail theft or receipt of stolen mail, as defined in ORS
164.162.
(26) Laundering a monetary instrument, as defined in ORS
164.170.
(27) Engaging in a financial transaction in property derived
from unlawful activity, as defined in ORS 164.172.
(28) Burglary in the second degree, as defined in ORS 164.215.
(29) Burglary in the first degree, as defined in ORS 164.225.
(30) Possession of burglar's tools, as defined in ORS 164.235.
(31) Unlawful entry into a motor vehicle, as defined in ORS
164.272.
(32) Arson in the second degree, as defined in ORS 164.315.
(33) Arson in the first degree, as defined in ORS 164.325.
(34) Computer crime, as defined in ORS 164.377.
(35) Robbery in the third degree, as defined in ORS 164.395.
(36) Robbery in the second degree, as defined in ORS 164.405.
(37) Robbery in the first degree, as defined in ORS 164.415.
(38) Unlawful labeling of a sound recording, as defined in ORS
164.868.
(39) Unlawful recording of a live performance, as defined in
ORS 164.869.
(40) Unlawful labeling of a videotape recording, as defined in
ORS 164.872.
(41) A violation of ORS 164.877.
(42) Endangering aircraft, as defined in ORS 164.885.
(43) Interference with agricultural operations, as defined in
ORS 164.887.
(44) Forgery in the second degree, as defined in ORS 165.007.
(45) Forgery in the first degree, as defined in ORS 165.013.
(46) Criminal possession of a forged instrument in the second
degree, as defined in ORS 165.017.
(47) Criminal possession of a forged instrument in the first
degree, as defined in ORS 165.022.
(48) Criminal possession of a forgery device, as defined in ORS
165.032.
(49) Criminal simulation, as defined in ORS 165.037.
(50) Fraudulently obtaining a signature, as defined in ORS
165.042.
(51) Fraudulent use of a credit card, as defined in ORS
165.055.
(52) Negotiating a bad check, as defined in ORS 165.065.
(53) Possessing a fraudulent communications device, as defined
in ORS 165.070.
(54) Unlawful factoring of a credit card transaction, as
defined in ORS 165.074.
(55) Falsifying business records, as defined in ORS 165.080.
(56) Sports bribery, as defined in ORS 165.085.
(57) Sports bribe receiving, as defined in ORS 165.090.
(58) Misapplication of entrusted property, as defined in ORS
165.095.
(59) Issuing a false financial statement, as defined in ORS
165.100.
(60) Obtaining execution of documents by deception, as defined
in ORS 165.102.
(61) A violation of ORS 165.543.
(62) Cellular counterfeiting in the third degree, as defined in
ORS 165.577.
(63) Cellular counterfeiting in the second degree, as defined
in ORS 165.579.
(64) Cellular counterfeiting in the first degree, as defined in
ORS 165.581.
(65) Identity theft, as defined in ORS 165.800.
(66) A violation of ORS 166.190.
(67) Unlawful use of a weapon, as defined in ORS 166.220.
(68) A violation of ORS 166.240.
(69) Unlawful possession of a firearm, as defined in ORS
166.250.
(70) A violation of ORS 166.270.
(71) Unlawful possession of a machine gun, short-barreled
rifle, short-barreled shotgun or firearms silencer, as defined in
ORS 166.272.
(72) A violation of ORS 166.275.
(73) Unlawful possession of armor piercing ammunition, as
defined in ORS 166.350.
(74) A violation of ORS 166.370.
(75) Unlawful possession of a destructive device, as defined in
ORS 166.382.
(76) Unlawful manufacture of a destructive device, as defined
in ORS 166.384.
(77) Possession of a hoax destructive device, as defined in ORS
166.385.
(78) A violation of ORS 166.410.
(79) Providing false information in connection with a transfer
of a handgun, as defined in ORS 166.416.
(80) Improperly transferring a handgun, as defined in ORS
166.418.
(81) Unlawfully purchasing a firearm, as defined in ORS
166.425.
(82) A violation of ORS 166.429.
(83) A violation of ORS 166.470.
(84) A violation of ORS 166.480.
(85) A violation of ORS 166.635.
(86) A violation of ORS 166.638.
(87) Unlawful paramilitary activity, as defined in ORS 166.660.
(88) A violation of ORS 166.720.
(89) Prostitution, as defined in ORS 167.007.
(90) Promoting prostitution, as defined in ORS 167.012.
(91) Compelling prostitution, as defined in ORS 167.017.
(92) Exhibiting an obscene performance to a minor, as defined
in ORS 167.075.
(93) Unlawful gambling in the second degree, as defined in ORS
167.122.
(94) Unlawful gambling in the first degree, as defined in ORS
167.127.
(95) Possession of gambling records in the second degree, as
defined in ORS 167.132.
(96) Possession of gambling records in the first degree, as
defined in ORS 167.137.
(97) Possession of a gambling device, as defined in ORS
167.147.
(98) Possession of a gray machine, as defined in ORS 167.164.
(99) Cheating, as defined in ORS 167.167.
(100) Tampering with drug records, as defined in ORS 167.212.
(101) A violation of ORS 167.262.
(102) Research and animal interference, as defined in ORS
167.312.
(103) Animal abuse in the first degree, as defined in ORS
167.320.
(104) Aggravated animal abuse in the first degree, as defined
in ORS 167.322.
(105) Animal neglect in the first degree, as defined in ORS
167.330.
(106) Interfering with an assistance, a search and rescue or a
therapy animal, as defined in ORS 167.352.
(107) Involvement in animal fighting, as defined in ORS
167.355.
(108) Dogfighting, as defined in ORS 167.365.
(109) Participation in dogfighting, as defined in ORS 167.370.
(110) Unauthorized use of a livestock animal, as defined in ORS
167.385.
(111) Interference with livestock production, as defined in ORS
167.388.
(112) A violation of ORS 167.390.
(113) A violation of ORS 471.410.
(114) Failure to report missing precursor substances, as
defined in ORS 475.955.
(115) Illegally selling drug equipment, as defined in ORS
475.960.
(116) Providing false information on a precursor substances
report, as defined in ORS 475.965.
(117) Unlawful delivery of an imitation controlled substance,
as defined in ORS 475.991.
(118) A violation of ORS 475.992, if it is a felony or a Class
A misdemeanor.
(119) A violation of ORS 475.993, if it is a felony or a Class
A misdemeanor.
(120) A violation of ORS 475.994.
(121) A violation of ORS 475.995, if it is a felony or a Class
A misdemeanor.
(122) A violation of ORS 475.999 (1)(a).
(123) Misuse of an identification card, as defined in ORS
807.430.
(124) Unlawful production of identification cards, licenses,
permits, forms or camera cards, as defined in ORS 807.500.
(125) Transfer of documents for the purposes of
misrepresentation, as defined in ORS 807.510.
(126) Using an invalid license, as defined in ORS 807.580.
(127) Permitting misuse of a license, as defined in ORS
807.590.
(128) Using another's license, as defined in ORS 807.600.
(129) Criminal driving while suspended or revoked, as defined
in ORS 811.182, when it is a felony.
(130) Driving while under the influence of intoxicants, as
defined in ORS 813.010, when it is a felony.
(131) Unlawful distribution of cigarettes, as defined in
{ - section 3 of this 2001 Act - } { + ORS 323.482 + }.
{ + (132) Terrorism, as defined in section 1 of this 2003
Act.
+ } { - (132) - } { + (133) + } An attempt, conspiracy or
solicitation to commit a crime in subsections (1) to
{ - (131) - } { + (132) + } of this section if the attempt,
conspiracy or solicitation is a felony or a Class A misdemeanor.
Amused
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Of course not. The standard sentences for the laws they are breaking is fine. As I said, this bill is just knee-jerk reactionism.
However, don't forget that the liberals are guilty of this too. As they went after anti-abortion protesters with a RICO charge.
At any rate, knee-jerk reactionism is not the answer. If they pass this law, it WILL be justifiable civil disobedience to break these laws.
There's a difference between free speech and disrupting other people's lives though. If myself and a group of friends decided to hold up traffic in a busy city for kicks, we'd be arrested and people would agree that it's just and fair. If we were to pick up placards and pick a cause however, it would become okay... Why?
There are ample ways to express one's views that have no adverse effects on the lives of others. I think that freedom of speech should not be hidden behind to cause disruption and irritation to others.
WoW, some of that stuff is kinda out there. So they're saying if someone does anything on that list they're a terrorist?
With all the knee jerk reactions and people trying to take our freedoms more and more, I see CW2 as happening in the century.
With all the knee jerk reactions and people trying to take our freedoms more and more, I see CW2 as happening in the century.
That's a Republicans point of view for sure. I don't think there is any problem with protesting a war if you don't believe in it. That's what makes the US what it is. Otherwise, we'd be no better than living under Sadaam's dictatorship. Now.. I do believe in supporting our troups because they are just doing what our government asks of them. People coming back from Vietnam and being looked down upon for being a soldier was just plain wrong! The soldier has no choice. Hell.. A lot of them signed up for the military for the GI bill to pay for college and ended up being dragged into war.
Sal
Sal
Yep. I highlighted the particularly absurd stuff. I especially like the "unauthorized use of a livestock animal". That's really going to strike a chord with all the rural sheep-humpers out there.
Deeko
Lifer
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It doesn't say its illegal to protest. It says its illegal to disrupt business and transportation. I think its a damn good law, if a protest was blocking the road and I had to get to work, and they wouldn't move, sh!t I would just start driving and they sure as hell better get out of my way.
Read the text of the bill. You'd also get 25 years for taping a live performance among other things. Still think it's a good law?
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